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As for the Mafia in Australia, it's alive and well but not nearly so well developed as in the US.

The Italian Mafia in Australia, Na Drogheda, is still involved in the basic rackets, particularly drugs.

In the past it controlled the Melbourne fresh fruit and vegetable markets as well as the fresh fish market.

While a couple of notable police operations have damaged Na Drogeda in the past, they have also served to drive it underground.

Na Drogheda is probably more active in the Australian state of Victoria than anywhere else.

Thanks for the insights Toyomotor, Its interesting that the mafia in Australia is very similar to the families in the US that they peddle drugs and are/were involved in the vegetable, poultry and fish markets. Do you happen to know what drugs they are involved in? Thanks again!

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Maybe if the government didn't write such stupid laws as it does, we might not have organized crime. :-*

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Maybe if the government didn't write such stupid laws as it does, we might not have organized crime. :-*

Babe Ruth, I assume your referring to the alcohol prohibition and the current drug laws. Your absolutely right, the current drug laws promote organized crime. Also prohibition didn't work for alcohol and it actually played a large part in the rise of organized crime. Here's a couple articles on the subject and thank you for posting!

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1596.html

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2012/aug/26/lawless-prohibition-gangsters-speakeasies

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Thanks for the links and updates. I have trouble finding reports on the Genovese family, I read recently that they are considered the most secretive family do you know if that's the case? That's interesting that now its ok to take a plea deal, makes sense with the long sentences these guys are facing. Thanks again!

I'd say they are yeah. They were able to keep a boss secret from both the FBI and other bosses for 12 years in Phillip Lombardo, becoming the first family to use front bosses in Tommy Eboli and Frank Tieri. As i said the Vincent Cafaro testimony in that 25 years after Valachi link i posted tells you alot about the Lombardo situation. As well as that they're the only NY family whose full administration is still unknown.

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Thanks for the insights Toyomotor, Its interesting that the mafia in Australia is very similar to the families in the US that they peddle drugs and are/were involved in the vegetable, poultry and fish markets. Do you happen to know what drugs they are involved in? Thanks again!

Most notably commercial Cannabis Crops, but it's known that they're also involved in the importation of Heroin and other popular, but illegal, drugs.

Things have gone quiet on the Mafia here recently, with the Asian and Middle Eastern gangs appearing to be on the rise in drug importation.

As for the Russians, again, they're here, they're active, but not attracting too much attention.

Where I live is a very small island of the southern coast of Australia, population 500,000 and we've just had a multi-million dollar drug haul of ecstacy, the other $20mil was confiscated on the mainland, en route to Tasmania, courtesy of The Rebels. A real first for our little state.

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Maybe if the government didn't write such stupid laws as it does, we might not have organized crime. :-*

That's hiding your head in the sand.

Should the government delegislate extortion, drug importing, gun running, white slavery?

These are the bread and butter of organised crime syndicates.

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Most notably commercial Cannabis Crops, but it's known that they're also involved in the importation of Heroin and other popular, but illegal, drugs.

Things have gone quiet on the Mafia here recently, with the Asian and Middle Eastern gangs appearing to be on the rise in drug importation.

As for the Russians, again, they're here, they're active, but not attracting too much attention.

Where I live is a very small island of the southern coast of Australia, population 500,000 and we've just had a multi-million dollar drug haul of ecstacy, the other $20mil was confiscated on the mainland, en route to Tasmania, courtesy of The Rebels. A real first for our little state.

Here's a recent article that shows the 'Ndrangheta's influence in the US - http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2014/twenty-four-defendants-with-ties-to-powerful-italian-organized-crime-syndicate-known-as-the-ndrangheta-arrested-in-coordinated-u.s.-italian-takedown .

The Calabrese; Ndrangheta has been show to be the most powerful Italian mafia right now, surpassing the Sicillians. Their connections to the Mexican, Colombian and Peruvian cartels show that they are currently one of the most powerful organized crime groups today.

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The Italian mob while the most popular for films in American cinema has not even a fraction of the power of MS-13 and the Bloods and Crips. Its because they have many more people in their gangs. Italian mafia in America might have only about 200 to 300 people in each family while MS-13 has thousands and so do Bloods and Crips. Italian Mafia is only in New York, Jersey, Chicago, and Florida. They are non-existent in places where the used to dominate like Youngstown, Ohio and Las Vegas. Because MS-13 and Bloods and Crips is about hip-hop and gangsta rap culture they have more members because troubled young people are the ones joining gangs and because hip-hop and rap culture is more attractive then the Italian Mob's traditional Catholic/suit-and-tie, clean-cut culture.

The only thing these gangs all have in common is that they have a code that is against snitching and co-operating with police. Italian mobs may not touch families but Russian mafia will get revenge on you by killing your whole family and letting you live. Bloods and Crips are more into carjacking while Italian mobsters sell stolen air bags. Italian Mob lost tons of influence when the drug epidemic of the 70s and 80's hit and they were reluctant to start getting into that business while every other gang under the sun pushed coke, meth, and marijuana. The drug money is the reason the Mexican Cartels have so much power and the gangs that sell the most drugs are the most profitable and powerful criminal enterprises.

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Lucas, thanks for the post and insights on other OC groups. I don't know that much about the groups that you mentioned but would agree that they have a higher membership in America and are in some circles more attractive to todays disconnected youth than the Mafia. The American Mafia which is more centralized and business like, operates in NYC were they have 5 families, also there are families operating in Philly, Jersey, Chicago, New England and Detroit and some activity in South Florida with a NY connection to four of the five families, I don't think the Luchese's operate in SF. Drugs, RICO, infighting and assimilation all have played a role in lower membership numbers with the American Mafia. The American mafia has adapted very well and is stronger that it has been in many years. World wide the Mafia continues to be one of the largest OC operations and while the US version is tame compared to the families in Italy and Canada make no mistake they are just as ruthless when you mess with their money.

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the Italian Mob's traditional Catholic/suit-and-tie, clean-cut culture.

Lucas, I grew up in Brooklyn during the Mafia's heyday and frequently would see these guys around the neighborhood and was very carefully to keep my distance. They did dress nice, had pretty girlfriends and drove nice cars and we had a healthy respect for them but the only time they practiced religion was when then said a couple Hail Mary's and Our Father's after getting caught for whacking somebody. :cry:

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The mafia and gangs like the Bloods and the Crips can't really be compared. The Crips and Bloods are loosely affiliated, unorganized street gangs; it isn't that common for them to associate with other gang members outside their set/neighbourhood and it's extremely rare for them to associate with members outside of their city. Crime changes from set to set, while they have much more members they have never had mass member crime rings like the Mafias infiltration and complete control of the Teamsters from the 50s to the 80s. Infighting is also much more common for them than at least the mafia in America, i read a report recently saying that Crips kill more Crips in LA than Bloods do. As far as i'm aware the Italian Mafia is still recognized as the largest organized crime group in the US today. No doubt their role is constantly diminishing, and they are now largely confined to the Northeast with some influence left in the MidWest namely Chicago though.

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Lucas, thanks for the post and insights on other OC groups. I don't know that much about the groups that you mentioned but would agree that they have a higher membership in America and are in some circles more attractive to todays disconnected youth than the Mafia. The American Mafia which is more centralized and business like, operates in NYC were they have 5 families, also there are families operating in Philly, Jersey, Chicago, New England and Detroit and some activity in South Florida with a NY connection to four of the five families, I don't think the Luchese's operate in SF. Drugs, RICO, infighting and assimilation all have played a role in lower membership numbers with the American Mafia. The American mafia has adapted very well and is stronger that it has been in many years. World wide the Mafia continues to be one of the largest OC operations and while the US version is tame compared to the families in Italy and Canada make no mistake they are just as ruthless when you mess with their money.

Good post Brooklynguy. Can i ask what you meant by this - I don't think the Luchese's operate in SF? Is SF, San Francisco or South Florida or what? I'm drawing a complete blank here lol :blush: .

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Good post Brooklynguy. Can i ask what you meant by this - I don't think the Luchese's operate in SF? Is SF, San Francisco or South Florida or what? I'm drawing a complete blank here lol :blush: .

Camarel,

Yes South Florida, sorry I should have been more clear. I'm not saying they have a family structure down here I just meant that they have guys down here involved in rackets like pill mills, Medicare fraud, gambling and financial scams. I have not heard anything on the Luchese's operating in South Florida but have seen reports/articles on the other four families having activity down here on some level mostly in Fort Lauderdale, Tampa and Miami. Have you heard anything recently on what the families are doing down here and who may be involved?? I haven't heard any new reports in over a year. Also I have heard gossip that the Philly Mob has some activity in and around Clearwater but have not been able to verify it. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. :yes:

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Camarel,

Yes South Florida, sorry I should have been more clear. I'm not saying they have a family structure down here I just meant that they have guys down here involved in rackets like pill mills, Medicare fraud, gambling and financial scams. I have not heard anything on the Luchese's operating in South Florida but have seen reports/articles on the other four families having activity down here on some level mostly in Fort Lauderdale, Tampa and Miami. Have you heard anything recently on what the families are doing down here and who may be involved?? I haven't heard any new reports in over a year. Also I have heard gossip that the Philly Mob has some activity in and around Clearwater but have not been able to verify it. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. :yes:

I'd love to provide or have the info myself, but i'm not really tuned into the NY families activities in Florida outside of the basics. Lenny Dimaria (Gambino Capo) was released from prison last year and returned to Florida, i know he was the Corrozos guy down in Florida for a long time so he may have stuff going on down there. Salvatore Locascio (Another Gambino Capo; possibly former) who was probably the mobs biggest earner post RICO at least known with his porn scam detailed here - http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/650m-porn-scam-gambino-thugs-plead-guilty-x-rated-ring-article-1.658108 . As well as his recently released partner Richie Martino are both living in Florida, again though this is just speculation there's no indication yet that either are still involved in crime and considering how wealthy they became it's not that crazy to think they are retired. The problem with Florida is that while there's no doubt mobster particularly from NY still active down there, there will be just as many retired. Until something is released, it's all just speculation.

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I'd love to provide or have the info myself, but i'm not really tuned into the NY families activities in Florida outside of the basics. Lenny Dimaria (Gambino Capo) was released from prison last year and returned to Florida, i know he was the Corrozos guy down in Florida for a long time so he may have stuff going on down there. Salvatore Locascio (Another Gambino Capo; possibly former) who was probably the mobs biggest earner post RICO at least known with his porn scam detailed here - http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.658108 . As well as his recently released partner Richie Martino are both living in Florida, again though this is just speculation there's no indication yet that either are still involved in crime and considering how wealthy they became it's not that crazy to think they are retired. The problem with Florida is that while there's no doubt mobster particularly from NY still active down there, there will be just as many retired. Until something is released, it's all just speculation.

Thanks for the insights and link. Like you said it's hard to know which guys are working and which are retired. Joey Merlino is another one that comes to mind but despite all the speculation no one seems to know for sure what if anything he is doing. I think the last FBI release on him was sometime in 2011 after he was paroled and according to the feds he was associating with some known wise guys. Here's a link to the FBI report:

http://english.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/10393_FBI%20Identifica_0.pdf

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Thanks for the insights and link. Like you said it's hard to know which guys are working and which are retired. Joey Merlino is another one that comes to mind but despite all the speculation no one seems to know for sure what if anything he is doing. I think the last FBI release on him was sometime in 2011 after he was paroled and according to the feds he was associating with some known wise guys. Here's a link to the FBI report:

http://english.al-ak...dentifica_0.pdf

Well it's known that Merlino has remained the boss from his imprisonment, there's no indication of him having any criminal activities in Florida. Merlino has (or had not sure if they've run out yet) parole restrictions preventing him from associating with known criminals as detailed in this article - http://articles.philly.com/2012-05-04/news/31556826_1_crime-family-merlino-racketeering-case .

The quote that refers to him being the boss - "The detention memo cites secretly recorded conversations in which Merlino’s status is defined as the man in charge. It includes a reference to a discussion in 2010 about a “making” — or mob initiation — ceremony and individuals proposed for membership. Ligambi is quoted as saying that Merlino will “make” the guys he wants when he comes home from prison."

The quote about his parole restrictions - "Merlino has not been charged in the pending case but reportedly is the focus on an ongoing investigation into possible violations of his parole restrictions. Merlino is prohibited from associating with any organized crime figures or known felons for the next three years while on supervised release. But sources say Merlino, who now lives in the Boca Raton area, has had frequent contact with mob members and organized crime associates, several of whom attended a birthday party for him in March."

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Thanks for the link. Crazy situation, i really like his blog and respect the guy but seriously what's with the drama? Ed Scarpo Victim of Possible Hit Attempt? :w00t: .

Anyway it's an unfortunate situation, and i hope he continues to write his blog.

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Speaking of Mafia, what I like about them is they always stick to their principles. If others consider them as menace of the society, some of the very poor people consider them as a symbol of hope. They may live life conveniently out of illegal activities but that is their way of doing things in this crooked world. If I think about it, it's better to have an organized crime family as your neighbor than to have a disorganized criminals roaming your streets.

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Camarel where you been? Here's an article on the Mafia in Westchester N.Y..

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/

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Since posting these, Brooklyn Guy has relocated to parts unknown! :yes:

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Toyomotor, I have had to wear a disguise and go underground for fear that the Mafia has found out about my stash of oreo cookies and will attempt to extort them from me. I think they have kidnapped Camarel and will only return him if I hand over the oreos. ;)

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Thanks for the articles Brooklyn GUy, i assure you i'm still alive :tu: . The one about Gravano, Gotti and Pitera in particular was interesting. I must say i'm surprised that the usually excellent Ed Scarpo uses the known hack Phillip Carlo as a source. As someone points out in the comments "I'd thought it had been already established that the whole "high-pitched" voice thing was an invention of Carlo's as retaliation against Pitera who refused to cooperate with him on the book?". Whether the high pitched voice thing is true or not it's well known that Carlo made up the vast majority of that book as Pitera told him nothing, and his Richard Kuklinski book is seen as a joke in mob circles. Also thanks for the Ganglandchicago site i wasn't aware of that. I just hope it doesn't rely on Bill Roemers information too much. Just fyi when you link to an article on the five families site it just takes you to the main page, you have to post the link to the site that hosts the article. http://nypost.com/2014/08/27/mobsters-son-says-he-wont-follow-dad-into-family-business/

The most recent thing to happen in the mob, is Gambino capo and former acting boss Danny Marino has been released from prison. Alot of people are wondering what role he'll play now. Pure speculation on my part but i think it's possible that he'll become the new consigliere assuming they haven't already named a new one, after Bobby Vernaces life sentence. Marino is the nephew of former Gambino capo Carmine Lombardozzi said to be one of the mobs biggest ever earners, presumably he took over his crew, Marino is said to be a massive earner himself. Apparently along with capo Jimmy Failla he conspired with Vincent Gigante to have John Gotti killed. In 2009 he was identified as a member of a ruling panel with Bobby Vernace and John Gambino running the Gambino family. Here's a few articles about Marino and Failla

http://nypost.com/2011/01/26/gambino-family-mobster-daniel-marino-gets-five-years/

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/20/nyregion/charges-link-trash-industry-to-the-mafia.html

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