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Can ISIS/ISIL be stopped?

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They have enormous funding... kidnapping, plundering of city riches, oil fields, etc. and God knows what else.

This funding provides them the food, transportation and weaponry to continue their "goals"

Any thoughts?

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Anything can be stopped but it depends on the resolve of ISIS enemies both foreign and domestic. They just may blossom into the scourge that was Islam in the 7th century. One decisive battle in the 8th century at Tours in 732 halted the Islamic conquest of Europe. Now they are all over the globe and the conflict is no longer regional but global.

Do not be fooled by the rhetoric that Islam spews about being the religion of peace as they are the religion of conquest. Look to the Qur'an and the answers are there.

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There are signs the Muslim community is stepping up it's condemnation of them. They may bite off their own tail with their actions and the threat of extremism is hitting home to people who thought it was other people's problem once upon a time. I think they can be stopped but I think it will take a long time and it will be a bloody process.

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They are the globalists new toy. They wont be going away for a long time. At least not till Syria and Iran fall, and have brand new IMF banks, before the bodies are even in the ground. Just like Lybia.

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Besides, they needed a new boogyman to keep the terror crap alive in our minds. Least till they finnaly convince everyone vets, gun owners, and Christians were really the terrorists all along.

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Stop the murder thugs that only pick on the weak and the poor?

Put them up against a standing army that has tanks, jets, bombs, missiles, surveillance satellites, drones, and they have no chance at all. I just think back to 1990 in the Persian gulf war. AS good as Iraq's military was, they got SMOKED. I mean, no contest at all.

I just think of them as a bunch of murder- punks but they have no real firepower to speak of.

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We can if all western countries and Arabs join forces and try to stop them. A lot of Arabs hate them too. Just making food drops and the US bombing them isn't going to get it done. The Kurds are doing their best but other countries need to join in the fight in any way that they can. Plus it would help if countries would stop paying ransom when they kidnap one of their citizens. That's a big way they fund their activities. You may be saving that persons life but you are making it possible for them to kill many others.

A security source revealed last night that £24 million was paid by at least four European countries for the release of 11 hostages last year.

http://www.dailymail...red-Tasers.html

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If they are receiving big funding,then it is from a Government source.....

Everything goes quiet when Bin Laden cashes in his pension and up pops ISIS....Just saying.

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ISIL's control of the oil black market earns it $ 2 million/day, or $730 million a year. The whole affair is connected to oil; Phaeton80 linked an excellent clip in the "Can the West Live with ISIS" thread.

"ISIS controls smuggling routes and the crude transported by tankers to Jordan via Anbar province, to Iran via Kurdistan, to Turkey via Mosul, to Syria's local market and to the Kurdistan region of Iraq, where most of it gets refined locally. Turkey has turned a blind eye to this and may continue to do so until they come under pressure from the West to close down oil black markets in the country's south." http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/18/business/al-khatteeb-isis-oil-iraq/

There are too many regional & international "interested parties" involved for ISIL/ISIS to be quickly eradicated.

Another interesting article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/luay-al-khatteeb/the-un-strikes-back-at-isil_b_5702240.html

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this is probably just my pipe dream optimism but maybe the craziness of ISIS will get the people in the region to realize that tolerance and peacefully coexisting is there best bet for peace. have like a reversed effect and make people not want to be radicals.........I can hope atleast :innocent:

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We can if all western countries and Arabs join forces and try to stop them. A lot of Arabs hate them too. Just making food drops and the US bombing them isn't going to get it done. The Kurds are doing their best but other countries need to join in the fight in any way that they can. Plus it would help if countries would stop paying ransom when they kidnap one of their citizens. That's a big way they fund their activities. You may be saving that persons life but you are making it possible for them to kill many others.

Good Lawdy, Ashotep, they only have 15,000 fighters!

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This article was from 1990 and it highlights fairly easily what Iraq's military strength was.

http://www.nytimes.c...y-strength.html

CONFRONTATION THE GULF; A Million Strong? Some Experts Question Iraq's Military Strength

'The figure of one million soldiers includes second-line soldiers, semimilitia units,'' said Mordechai M. Ababir, an Arab specialist at Hebrew University in Israel. ''Iraq's army is made up of 400,000 to 500,000 soldiers of first-line quality, and this is about the number of people you would expect to be under arms in a country of Iraq's size.''

And as far as armament goes, Iraq also had 300-400 fighter jets, plus many light to heavy armored vehicles and some tanks.

When Saddam finally smartened up and recalled troops from Kuwait, they basically were all killed, some 200,000 thousand of them, riding in their vehicles. The allies unmercifully bombed them into oblivion, it was like shooting ducks in a pond. No jet fighters were lost.

Now let's review it again.

ISIS, 15,000 fighters. A paultry sum, compared to the 1990 Iraq military.

ISIS - as best I know, has no sizable airforce, if they even have one at all.

Yes, they got some stinger missiles but stingers cannot take out stealth bombers.

The bullies would get smoked going up an actual modern military.

Are they getting away with murder...? YouBetcha'! But personally, I would never recommend buying any long term ISIS war bonds. :td:

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of course and they must.. because Sharia law is oppressive..

they don't let people drink alcohol!!

they won't get very far in the world without approving booze

no one will support that type of rubbish

any religion who does not approve of drinking

is destined to fail !

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Indeed, they are a major terrorist organization that even Iraq and Iran hate.

That say's a lot.

They(ISIS/ISIL) wish to forcibly instill extreme Sharia law upon direct threat of death upon the entire Middle East and beyond.

And they rape and plunder along their way.

In my humble opinion, they must be stopped by any means available to the international community.

In short, they are well-armed militant thugs whom care nothing about anything but themselves.

Brutal and completely psycho-barbaric.

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They have enormous funding... kidnapping, plundering of city riches, oil fields, etc. and God knows what else.

This funding provides them the food, transportation and weaponry to continue their "goals"

Any thoughts?

Eradication of ISIS ir ISIL as it now calls itself will not happen by targetted air strikes as are currently happening.

The only way that this will happen is by boots on the ground, which Pres. Obama has said will not happen as far as he's concerned. But other countries, such as Australia are not quite so reticent.

The fact is that Iraq is virtually a country invented by the west. It's tribal and religious frictions have continued over the decades, but to some degree were minimised by Sadam Husseins brutal dictatorship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq

Iraq's modern borders were mostly demarcated in 1920 by the League of Nations when the Ottoman Empire was divided by the Treaty of Sèvres. Iraq was placed under the authority of the United Kingdom as the British Mandate of Mesopotamia. A monarchy was established in 1921 and the Kingdom of Iraq gained independence from Britain in 1932. In 1958, the monarchy was overthrown and the Republic of Iraq was created. Iraq was controlled by the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party from 1968 until 2003.

The US in trying to reproduce a stable country in Iraq, is way off base. The military is under trained and under equipped. It also lacks, to a great degree, the will to fight for a notional of nationality.

As ISIL has crossed into Syria, expanding its dominance over the border regions, and with no real reply from Syria, it's pretty obvious that, on a humanitarian basis, western countries will have to step in. The longer they leave it to do so, the harder it will be to get rid of ISIL.

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Just a moment! I've come up with a cunning plan.

Iraq is in a state of turmoil due to the ISIS activity.

The whole Middle East is subject to conflict between Sunni and Sh'ia.

When India was partitioned years ago, there was a population movement of Muslims to what is now Pakistan.

Why not halt all of the hostility and encourage The Sunni followers to migrate to Iraq and the Sh'ia followers to migrate to Iran.

Then who would they have to argue with?

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Just a moment! I've come up with a cunning plan.

Iraq is in a state of turmoil due to the ISIS activity.

The whole Middle East is subject to conflict between Sunni and Sh'ia.

When India was partitioned years ago, there was a population movement of Muslims to what is now Pakistan.

Why not halt all of the hostility and encourage The Sunni followers to migrate to Iraq and the Sh'ia followers to migrate to Iran.

Then who would they have to argue with?

like Pakistan and India are best of friends..

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like Pakistan and India are best of friends..

Correct. But I don't blame India.

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:)

I have seen this some short time ago, funny words from silly some mind. There are many reasons why people are not happy in countries which are destroyed by wars and economic sanctions but even if situation was perfect in those countries how could anyone sane say something like this, i wonder... Its not like you have to go out and ask some five people are they happy with their life or whatever - we talk about millions and millions of people. There are many people in this world who are not satisfied with their life and their countries so they go abroad and work hard trying to make a better life and guess what, its not just Muslims who go from their countries - everyone does that and why people leave their countries? Because they are obviously not happy where they are ( no job opportunities, no perspective... ).

All this mentioned countries have experienced violence all over their territory or are experiencing it right now.

Do people have reason to be happy in today Gaza or Iraq? Yeah, if the fact that they are alive is enough for happiness. It's enough to see that someone wrote about happiness in Gaza ( with disregarding everything about the problems of those people ) to realize that this is new material in a long going propaganda war against Islam and i hope to see more similar 'writings' - they do a favor to Islam actually...

Maybe this is related too, both to this topic and your post - ISIS could have been stopped long time ago ;)

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Of course ISIS can be stopped. All it takes is bombs and balls. We already have the bombs.

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One of their self-stated goals is to convert the entire Middle East under their ideology.

Another self-stated goal is to reach influence in Western nations, including the U.S.

To me, that is disturbing to say the least.

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The longer the west leaves it, the harder it will become, smash them now.

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The longer the west leaves it, the harder it will become, smash them now.

Wouldn't it be nice if they all gathered into one place so that we could.

Unfortunately, they operate in small groups and are spread over a wide area. Additionally, I don't think the full extent of affiliated groups has been accounted for as yet, they seem to have allies amongst numerous rebel groups in Syria and Al Qaeda affiliated groups across the middle east even if Al Qaeda itself is not particularly fond of them.

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