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After winning a donation of eight million Euros, Sea Shepherd went right to work securing a new custom built Antarctic patrol vessel. Blueprints hint at a 360 degree visibility from the bridge. The fake wake in the picture hints at high speed performance. I suspect it has an ice rated bow. Dragging fouling lines across the bows of Japanese kill ships might be a regular use of this ship if the Japanese whalers are indeed going to violate the international court's decision and return to the Antarctic for the 2015-2016 season.

What's Sea Shepherd been doing in the Antarctic this year since the Japanese whalers didn't show up?

Intercepting the poachers, February 2, 2015

https://youtu.be/RojYGgixD-E

RIP 'Thunder', April 6, 2015:

https://youtu.be/SQ71Y_g116A

Blub, blubb, blubbye! :)

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After winning a donation of eight million Euros, Sea Shepherd went right to work securing a new custom built Antarctic patrol vessel. Blueprints hint at a 360 degree visibility from the bridge. The fake wake in the picture hints at high speed performance. I suspect it has an ice rated bow. Dragging fouling lines across the bows of Japanese kill ships might be a regular use of this ship if the Japanese whalers are indeed going to violate the international court's decision and return to the Antarctic for the 2015-2016 season.

What's Sea Shepherd been doing in the Antarctic this year since the Japanese whalers didn't show up?

Intercepting the poachers, February 2, 2015

https://youtu.be/RojYGgixD-E

RIP 'Thunder', April 6, 2015:

https://youtu.be/SQ71Y_g116A

Blub, blubb, blubbye! :)

I think that one, in that third video, was a former Icelandic coastguard vessel that was a veteran of the Cod War. (The Sea Shepherd one I mean.)

Incidentally I don't know if you've seen this one before, this is one of theirs, looks pretty neat doesn't it. http://www.marinetra...TE_BARDOT#first

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IMO, the trimarans aren't really cut out for the Antarctic. They're too fragile to handle the rough conditions and 10m swells. They have a lot of speed but sacrifice too many other things. Having the speed advantage to eventually get your big ships on the tail of the Nisshin Maru is the way to beat the whalers. A solid reliable rig that can handle the conditions but also be fast enough to outrun anything in the Japanese fleet would be ideal and I'll bet this new ship fits the bill. Even a 1 knot advantage is a game changer. Top speeds on paper like "45 knots" or whatever the Ady Gil was supposed to be, meant about 10.5 knots in the swells instead of 10 that the larger ships would make. Which would still be a difference maker, except their ship gets damaged by a rogue wave and gets taken out of the hunt.

The only thing I don't like about the new ship is that it's rather small. If it could only be bigger and up-engined, but 8 million Euros can only buy so much boat.

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I'm waiting for the day they are arrested for piracy.

So is Sea Shepard, can you imagine the media circus they'll turn it into? I reckon they'll never be charged because no one wants to put up with the chaos they and their supporters will cause.

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Hmmm... looks like a ramming prow to me ?

Still.. and notwithstanding... it looks seaworthy. I'm leaning towards Yamato's analysis of its potential.

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I'm waiting for the day they are arrested for piracy.

If New Zealand's navy caught these poachers instead, are they pirates? Where do you get your concept of right and wrong at? Government decree? Arrest Sea Shepherd for piracy? Arrest governments for mass murder too then.

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If New Zealand's navy caught these poachers instead, are they pirates? Where do you get your concept of right and wrong at? Government decree? Arrest Sea Shepherd for piracy? Arrest governments for mass murder too then.

If the poachers are in new Zealand's water , New Zealand can do as it wishes in accordance to their law. But attacking ships (unprovoked) in international waters is piracy, no matter what justification they make for themselves.

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Frankly, Im still p***ed at my government letting the Jspanese refuel at our ports,

There is NOTHING saying we have to support the whaling effort. We can't stop them we shouldn't help them either.

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Frankly, Im still p***ed at my government letting the Jspanese refuel at our ports,

There is NOTHING saying we have to support the whaling effort. We can't stop them we shouldn't help them either.

Just send a frigate out there and shadow their mother ship, and they'll get the message and go home.

If the poachers are in new Zealand's water , New Zealand can do as it wishes in accordance to their law. But attacking ships (unprovoked) in international waters is piracy, no matter what justification they make for themselves.

"Attack"? Sea Shepherd is non-violent. Compared to how governments resolve their squabbles with each other, this is as good as it gets.

Oh and those magical arbitrary lines drawn by government again! Those lines on the map where New Zealand's waters end are all that matters in the course of right and wrong! No, Sea Shepherd is authorized to do what it does by the UN Charter for Nature. In some cases Sea Shepherd works for national governments under contract to intercept and arrest poachers.

So if I see some rapist raping a woman on the side of the road, it's "unprovoked" so I shouldn't "attack" him. Nice.

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Apart from that time they boarded that Japanese whaler.....

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Which time? There's more than one.

Why pass a global moratorium on whaling if you can't enforce it? Why pass any law? When governments fail to uphold the laws they write, it's up to civil society to take up the slack.

whaling-vessel.jpg

Ooh how pretty! Surely that'll intimidate the pirates with their black ships and Jolly Rogers. Nope. And what a PR disaster for the whalers.

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An icebreaker would make sense in the Antarctic mainly because it can be used to enter ice fields and escape Japanese security vessels or harpoon ships

Hmmm... looks like a ramming prow to me ?

Still.. and notwithstanding... it looks seaworthy. I'm leaning towards Yamato's analysis of its potential.

Looking at the still shot it looks like it has a protrusion on the bow which if I had to guess is the anchor box and the strongest point on most any ship. The tip of the bow also seems to make a consistent sharp point from top to bottom in a wedge, it somehow makes it look more old-fashioned to my eye. But it's reminiscent of Captain Watson's "steel enema" which was more a publicity weapon than something to injure the Nisshin Maru with. This....though...in an emergency this might be a steel enema for real. If the Japanese whalers (the Government of Japan) are crazy enough to T-bone a ship in the middle of the Antarctic with all aboard once, who's to say they won't try it again? If Sea Shepherd can outrun and outmaneuver the Japanese fleet with a speed advantage from just one ship, the war is over. Just keep radioing the position of the mother ship to the rest of the fleet and the Japanese whale poachers are done for. If the Japanese are crazy enough to attempt mass murder again it's good to know Sea Shepherd will have a real weapon to fight back. Sea Shepherd doesn't want a war, but if there's going to be one, they're not going to lose it.

Japanese on ships raping the Pacific of resources is what started all the trouble in WW2 in the first place. The US cut the oil spigot to Japan entirely making Japan even more aggressive and thirsty. The Hull Notes were like a war declaration to the Japanese. But when The Gubmint of Japan is breaking the law hauling whale meat in giant freezers back to market, somehow that "resource" isn't worth playing all the silly little war games over. It's God save the oil and p*** on the whales, apparently. Well p*** on that.

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"Attack"? Sea Shepherd is non-violent.

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Well no thanks to that halfwit Pirate Watson, the courts are moving against Japan. Not that Japan listens, but it's another move toward shutting them down.

LINK - Killing Whales For Science: Japan Is Sent Back To The Drawing Board

The expert panel’s recommendations, if adopted by the International Whaling Commission, and agreed to by Japan, would require Japan to undertake extensive further work on their proposal, especially in order to justify the killing of whales for the scientific research it proposes.

This work would include not only better justifying sample sizes in the program, but also why lethal sampling is required when non-lethal methods, such as biopsy sampling, is currently available.

Japan’s Commissioner to the International Whaling Commission, Joji Morishita, has been quoted as saying “we hope to work toward a resumption (of research whaling) at the end of the year". But convincing opponents to Japan’s whaling program will not be easy.

A great deal more sensible than getting together a band of pirates and terrorising people. Watson is an idiot, I can't wait for his final day on the Seas. The world will be a better place when that violent moron and his band of pirates retires.

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So is Sea Shepard, can you imagine the media circus they'll turn it into? I reckon they'll never be charged because no one wants to put up with the chaos they and their supporters will cause.

They are going to need something to do when Whale Wars is over or loses ratings.

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Well no thanks to that halfwit Pirate Watson, the courts are moving against Japan. Not that Japan listens, but it's another move toward shutting them down.

LINK - Killing Whales For Science: Japan Is Sent Back To The Drawing Board

The expert panel’s recommendations, if adopted by the International Whaling Commission, and agreed to by Japan, would require Japan to undertake extensive further work on their proposal, especially in order to justify the killing of whales for the scientific research it proposes.

This work would include not only better justifying sample sizes in the program, but also why lethal sampling is required when non-lethal methods, such as biopsy sampling, is currently available.

Japan’s Commissioner to the International Whaling Commission, Joji Morishita, has been quoted as saying “we hope to work toward a resumption (of research whaling) at the end of the year". But convincing opponents to Japan’s whaling program will not be easy.

A great deal more sensible than getting together a band of pirates and terrorising people. Watson is an idiot, I can't wait for his final day on the Seas. The world will be a better place when that violent moron and his band of pirates retires.

So, the criminals are still trying to float their "research" BS that the international court ruled against. They obviously don't respect the spirit of the court's decision against them. Maybe all they understand is violence. Maybe the Australian navy will send a warship to escort these entitlement-laden welfare queens out of the Southern Ocean next year, how violent moron halfwit would that be?

You still have no alternatives and you still can't see success through the political smoke in your way. Well you have offered one alternative in prior posts - Appeasement.

In case you haven't been paying attention, Sea Shepherd doesn't need Paul Watson to get the job done anymore when we've got disciples like Peter Hammarstedt. Whether Paul's on the ocean or not (and he's already not in this case so what you're wishing for was already true years ago) has no bearing on Sea Shepherd operations in the Antarctic anymore.

What part of no whaling below 40 degrees South can these Japanese criminal nutters not understand? They're just going to make themselves look like fools once again, they're going to get owned by pirates even worse in December if they're fool enough to return. That's the problem with government and those people who make excuses for it. There's an infinite supply of someone else's funny money the Japanese people are on the hook for from which to mooch off of.

Any real conservative should be able to enjoy the fact that stuff gets done in the world without taxpayer money. Oh the horror! The pirates! Come on Japanese crooks, come down south illegally once again and save psyche1 from the "violence".

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So, the criminals are still trying to float their "research" BS that the international court ruled against. They obviously don't respect the spirit of the court's decision against them. Maybe all they understand is violence. Maybe the Australian navy will send a warship to escort these entitlement-laden welfare queens out of the Southern Ocean next year, how violent moron halfwit would that be?

Yep, of course they do not respect it, and until they are given decent fishing grounds denied them by the US, this problem will continue, a man's gotta eat, Japanese Men included.

If Australia was to send a warship to escort Japanese Whalers out of any waters, it wont be with rancid Butter, Harpoons or guns. And no ships will be sunk. The difference between law and terrorism.

You still have no alternatives and you still can't see success through the political smoke in your way. Well you have offered one alternative in prior posts - Appeasement.

Appeasement would be allowing Whaling would it not? No Australian wants that, and some of us are intelligent enough to understand that Watson and his band of Pirates makes things worse.

No, I propose a sit down and ask Japan what they need to move on. There needs to be some mutual respect because we are just both taking the p*** here. Nobody has the right to tell a nation that their traditions suck and to drop them, one might say that about Christianity!! and Japan has to admit that after decades of chopping up whales, there cannot be more left to learn. That just makes them look like liars, and dishonorable. Not good for any Japanese citizen really.

Some adult behaviour just might go a long way here, it is after all the only thing Japan has ever listened to when they agreed to stop whaling, but took it up again when the US denied them Northern Fishing grounds.

In case you haven't been paying attention, Sea Shepherd doesn't need Paul Watson to get the job done anymore when we've got disciples like Peter Hammarstedt. Whether Paul's on the ocean or not (and he's already not in this case so what you're wishing for was already true years ago) has no bearing on Sea Shepherd operations in the Antarctic anymore.

That's why I mention his band of pirates as well.

We know he is not, he hides from Justice. If Watson was arrested I would crack a Champagne that night. He is just a trouble making terrorist.

What part of no whaling below 40 degrees South can these Japanese criminal nutters not understand? They're just going to make themselves look like fools once again, they're going to get owned by pirates even worse in December if they're fool enough to return. That's the problem with government and those people who make excuses for it. There's an infinite supply of someone else's funny money the Japanese people are on the hook for from which to mooch off of.

They are simply running out of reasons to continue to slaughter. Not sure if you noticed the link within that link, but Aussie scientists can prove that Biopsies are capable of determining what Japan seeks. Or rather, what Japan claims to seek.

What will they have to say in their defence when all reasons are removed?

Japan is a proud nation, that is how we got to where we are. That started this all, maybe it can end it too.

Any real conservative should be able to enjoy the fact that stuff gets done in the world without taxpayer money. Oh the horror! The pirates! Come on Japanese crooks, come down south illegally once again and save psyche1 from the "violence".

Stuff does not get done, things are worse than ever with Watson and his band of pirates terrorising the Oceans. What they save nowadays is what the total Japanese Catch was before those dick/heads got involved.

Japan would get the same response from me that Sea Shepherd would if I learn they are to pull into a harbour. In my eyes, both are criminals. One if a thief, the other a terrorist.

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Yep, of course they do not respect it, and until they are given decent fishing grounds denied them by the US, this problem will continue, a man's gotta eat, Japanese Men included.

If Australia was to send a warship to escort Japanese Whalers out of any waters, it wont be with rancid Butter, Harpoons or guns. And no ships will be sunk. The difference between law and terrorism.

Appeasement would be allowing Whaling would it not? No Australian wants that, and some of us are intelligent enough to understand that Watson and his band of Pirates makes things worse.

No, I propose a sit down and ask Japan what they need to move on. There needs to be some mutual respect because we are just both taking the p*** here. Nobody has the right to tell a nation that their traditions suck and to drop them, one might say that about Christianity!! and Japan has to admit that after decades of chopping up whales, there cannot be more left to learn. That just makes them look like liars, and dishonorable. Not good for any Japanese citizen really.

Some adult behaviour just might go a long way here, it is after all the only thing Japan has ever listened to when they agreed to stop whaling, but took it up again when the US denied them Northern Fishing grounds.

That's why I mention his band of pirates as well.

We know he is not, he hides from Justice. If Watson was arrested I would crack a Champagne that night. He is just a trouble making terrorist.

They are simply running out of reasons to continue to slaughter. Not sure if you noticed the link within that link, but Aussie scientists can prove that Biopsies are capable of determining what Japan seeks. Or rather, what Japan claims to seek.

What will they have to say in their defence when all reasons are removed?

Japan is a proud nation, that is how we got to where we are. That started this all, maybe it can end it too.

Stuff does not get done, things are worse than ever with Watson and his band of pirates terrorising the Oceans. What they save nowadays is what the total Japanese Catch was before those dick/heads got involved.

Japan would get the same response from me that Sea Shepherd would if I learn they are to pull into a harbour. In my eyes, both are criminals. One if a thief, the other a terrorist.

Law isn't mutually exclusive with terrorism. What if your Navy sent a warship and the Japanese just let you shadow their ships and went merrily on their way whaling like they do with Sea Shepherd? No shots will be fired, so that's what won't happen, what will happen? Are you going to run low on fuel and return to base in embarrassment? Or are you going to fire some shots across their bows and threaten them? Illegal Japanese whalers don't represent "the law" while declaring the law enforcers "terrorists".

I find it a profoundly statist mindset not to be able to understand that laws don't need the govt to be enforced. There are even laws that can punish people for not enforcing the law at the scene of the crime which would usually entail calling the police. Sea Shepherd would rather do that, but the police don't show up in a timely enough manner because they never even leave to come help.

If we had a breakdown of our societal structure and it became every man for himself, who are you to tell me that I can't play a role in enforcing the law?

Have you ever heard of citizens arrest? That might be a concept that's utterly foreign to you all the way over there. In fact you should have heard it's in your country too.

The power to arrest is granted by both federal and state legislation, however the exact power granted differs depending on jurisdiction. The power to arrest for a Federal offence is granted by s.3Z of the Crimes Act 1914.[3] Under the Act, a person who is not a police constable may, without warrant, arrest another person if they believe on reasonable grounds that:

  • the other person is committing or has just committed an indictable offence; and
  • proceedings by summons against the other person would not: ensure the appearance of the person before a court in respect of the offence; prevent a repetition or continuation of the offence or the commission of another offence; prevent the concealment, loss or destruction of evidence relating to the offence; prevent harassment of, or interference with, a person who may be required to give evidence in proceedings in respect of the offence; prevent the fabrication of evidence in respect of the offence; or would not preserve the safety or welfare of the person.

A person who arrests another person must, as soon as practicable after the arrest, arrange for the other person, and any property found on the other person, to be delivered into the custody of a constable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest#Australia

When the whalers are whaling, they're committing an offense. Listen to what the court just ruled. Sea Shepherd isn't arresting the whalers bodily. It's a much gentler example of law enforcement, they're obstructing the whalers' illegal operations. So the whalers can go where they will, they just can't whale where they go. :(

"Watson and his band of pirates." Right on! Captains in the world's navies must drool over his maneuvers because Paul Watson can do what governments can't do due to politics. But for whatever the reason governments won't enforce the rules and regulations they create, the onus is on civil society to pick up that baton and use it. It's our duty to uphold the law including the enforcement of it. There are even laws in both the US and Australia that make people immune from prosecution if they act in such a manner. These kinds of laws should get the point across that it's not up to government alone.

Whether you stand still like a tree and merely call the police when you see a rape in progress in the alley, or whether you decide to intervene more than that, including making the rapist know of your presence and putting yourself at risk. If you know how to intervene to stop that crime so that everyone is alive and unharmed? You'd be doing as good a job as Sea Shepherd.

That's why I mention his band of pirates as well.

The more you mention pirates the more good service you unwittingly provide. "Pirates" = $$.

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Law isn't mutually exclusive with terrorism. What if your Navy sent a warship and the Japanese just let you shadow their ships and went merrily on their way whaling like they do with Sea Shepherd? No shots will be fired, so that's what won't happen, what will happen? Are you going to run low on fuel and return to base in embarrassment? Or are you going to fire some shots across their bows and threaten them? Illegal Japanese whalers don't represent "the law" while declaring the law enforcers "terrorists".

If Japan was actually breaking a Law, Australia would not stand alone, they are not, they are breaching a voluntary moratorium that they belong to voluntarily with a bad excuse. It's like a verbal agreement, not worth anything. If the Australian Navy was to fire shots across their bow, Australia would be inciting war with Japan. You do not take pot shots at citizens. A chain of command exists for a reason, and we must lean on that, not the poor buggers just trying to make a dollar to feed their families employed on some boat. We are dealing with national pride here, not a handful of boats.

I find it a profoundly statist mindset not to be able to understand that laws don't need the govt to be enforced. There are even laws that can punish people for not enforcing the law at the scene of the crime which would usually entail calling the police. Sea Shepherd would rather do that, but the police don't show up in a timely enough manner because they never even leave to come help.

Nobody cares about those laws. As you can see, Japan sure as heck does not, and they break no laws, that is why the globe is helpless in this situation. Nobody likes it, but nobody can do anything, if Japan was breaking the Law, then the UN need get involved, as they do not breach Australian waters excepting one occasion when they were escorted straight back out of Australian waters.

Se Shepherd bangs on about Laws of the sea and a plethora of BS. They have been at this for decades, if one of those claims they made were true, you and I would not be having this conversation, it really is as simple as that.

If we had a breakdown of our societal structure and it became every man for himself, who are you to tell me that I can't play a role in enforcing the law?

The man who can turn you into a fine powder.

There will always be a hierarchy.

Have you ever heard of citizens arrest? That might be a concept that's utterly foreign to you all the way over there. In fact you should have heard it's in your country too.

The power to arrest is granted by both federal and state legislation, however the exact power granted differs depending on jurisdiction. The power to arrest for a Federal offence is granted by s.3Z of the Crimes Act 1914.[3] Under the Act, a person who is not a police constable may, without warrant, arrest another person if they believe on reasonable grounds that:

  • the other person is committing or has just committed an indictable offence; and
  • proceedings by summons against the other person would not: ensure the appearance of the person before a court in respect of the offence; prevent a repetition or continuation of the offence or the commission of another offence; prevent the concealment, loss or destruction of evidence relating to the offence; prevent harassment of, or interference with, a person who may be required to give evidence in proceedings in respect of the offence; prevent the fabrication of evidence in respect of the offence; or would not preserve the safety or welfare of the person.

A person who arrests another person must, as soon as practicable after the arrest, arrange for the other person, and any property found on the other person, to be delivered into the custody of a constable.

http://en.wikipedia....rrest#Australia

Of course I have heard of it, in general, we use it properly, security guards and bouncers use it all the time.

Under Section 260, an ordinary citizen can carry out a citizen's arrest if they have "witnessed" a breach of the peace.

And Section 546 makes it lawful for a person to make a citizen's arrest "where an offence has actually been committed", or at night where the person believes and there are "reasonable grounds for the belief that a person is committing an offence".

Jurisdiction and reasonable grounds is where you fall down here. We have neither over Japanese Whalers. They do not enter Australian Waters.

The Sea Shepherd says they do, but they do not, the Sea Shepherd lies. There is no such thing as a citizens arrest in a criminal code, so why would an offender react politely to it?

When the whalers are whaling, they're committing an offense. Listen to what the court just ruled. Sea Shepherd isn't arresting the whalers bodily. It's a much gentler example of law enforcement, they're obstructing the whalers' illegal operations. So the whalers can go where they will, they just can't whale where they go. :(

They are ramming them, throwing rancid butter at them spiking them bombing them, they are fools inciting further violence and making Japan annoyed enough to redouble their efforts.

Which no doubt improves ratings, but gets more whales killed each year, and ensure Japan will be back to save face against a small group of idiots who think they can tell an entire nation what to do. What nation on earth would bow down to a sanctimonious AHole like Watson???? Would the US? Of course it would not. Imagine if the Sea Shepherd changed tactic and come over there and told you they were taking all your guns away because they feel it is a good idea, and puts people at risk?

"Watson and his band of pirates." Right on! Captains in the world's navies must drool over his maneuvers because Paul Watson can do what governments can't do due to politics. But for whatever the reason governments won't enforce the rules and regulations they create, the onus is on civil society to pick up that baton and use it. It's our duty to uphold the law including the enforcement of it. There are even laws in both the US and Australia that make people immune from prosecution if they act in such a manner. These kinds of laws should get the point across that it's not up to government alone.

It is not right on, it is as off as one can get. Like a prawn in the sun.

Captains in the worlds Navy's I would hope wish they could do to Watson what he does to any boat Watson does not approve of and hinder him if not sink him. He BSes his way across because he too is in International Waters, so he is as touchable as the Japanese, or he would be rotting away in a prison someplace like he should be.

It is not up to anyone in International Waters, the UN needs to get involved, I wish the hell everyone would just leave Australia out of it, we are the closest port, that's about it as far as our Whaling Jurisdiction goes. The Sea SHepherd lie, and make out we have some jurisdiction, we do not.

Whether you stand still like a tree and merely call the police when you see a rape in progress in the alley, or whether you decide to intervene more than that, including making the rapist know of your presence and putting yourself at risk. If you know how to intervene to stop that crime so that everyone is alive and unharmed? You'd be doing as good a job as Sea Shepherd.

I know how to do it but lack the means, now what?

Is Sea Shepherd going to fly me to Japan and put me up on a diplomatic mission? No Way!! How do you make a TV show out of that???

Vigilantism does as much harm as it does good.

LINK - The ins and outs of a citizen's arrest

Last weekend a man died in north Queensland while being pinned to the ground during a citizen's arrest.

On Thursday footage emerged of a Victorian tram inspector holding a university student under a bench, while pressing his knee to his throat, for failing to buy a ticket.

Police say good Samaritans restrained the Cairns man after he attacked two women outside a suburban house last Saturday.

Neighbours and friends restrained the man and held him face down on the ground until police arrived.

But the 37-year-old man was unconscious when police arrived at the scene on Charnley Avenue in Bentley Park.

He was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

The more you mention pirates the more good service you unwittingly provide. "Pirates" = $$.

People are that dimwitted to think of only Johnny Depp when the word Pirate is used??

That is sad. Sad indeed. Perhaps I should restrict myself to more appropriate terminology and just call them terrorists.

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If Japan was actually breaking a Law, Australia would not stand alone, they are not, they are breaching a voluntary moratorium that they belong to voluntarily with a bad excuse. It's like a verbal agreement, not worth anything. If the Australian Navy was to fire shots across their bow, Australia would be inciting war with Japan. You do not take pot shots at citizens. A chain of command exists for a reason, and we must lean on that, not the poor buggers just trying to make a dollar to feed their families employed on some boat. We are dealing with national pride here, not a handful of boats.

No, no that's not right. A shot across the bow isn't a shot at citizens. A verbal agreement not worth anything, unless you send a warship to escort the whaling fleet out of the Southern Ocean. Dis on national pride. What an empty suited excuse for wars everywhere that is.

Japan is breaking Australian law. You can keep denying it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-01-15/court-rules-japan-whalers-breaking-aust-law/1012990

Nobody cares about those laws. As you can see, Japan sure as heck does not, and they break no laws, that is why the globe is helpless in this situation. Nobody likes it, but nobody can do anything, if Japan was breaking the Law, then the UN need get involved, as they do not breach Australian waters excepting one occasion when they were escorted straight back out of Australian waters.

Surrender, appeasement and declared impotence is no solution. If nobody can do anything, that makes Sea Shepherd the golden child.

Se Shepherd bangs on about Laws of the sea and a plethora of BS. They have been at this for decades, if one of those claims they made were true, you and I would not be having this conversation, it really is as simple as that.

There is international law authorizing Sea Shepherd to do what they do. There are Australian laws against the Japanese whalers that wouldn't even exist if your denials were the first bit true. There are international rulings specifically against the Japanese whalers as well. Sea Shepherd has all the laws it needs, the difference is the will to enforce them.

The man who can turn you into a fine powder.

There will always be a hierarchy.

Alright that's just creepy.

Of course I have heard of it, in general, we use it properly, security guards and bouncers use it all the time.

Good deal

Jurisdiction and reasonable grounds is where you fall down here. We have neither over Japanese Whalers. They do not enter Australian Waters.

Denying facts is a common form of BS

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-01/government-orders-japanese-whalers-out/4495166

The Sea Shepherd says they do, but they do not, the Sea Shepherd lies. There is no such thing as a citizens arrest in a criminal code, so why would an offender react politely to it?

What in the world do you think you're talking about dude? Your government says they do. Stop denying reality. Stop disrespecting your own rule of law by trying so vainly to make it impotent.

They are ramming them, throwing rancid butter at them spiking them bombing them, they are fools inciting further violence and making Japan annoyed enough to redouble their efforts.

Yeah and let's not forget Paul Watson's deck cannon! Are you still getting your information from the Government of Japan?

Which no doubt improves ratings, but gets more whales killed each year, and ensure Japan will be back to save face against a small group of idiots who think they can tell an entire nation what to do. What nation on earth would bow down to a sanctimonious AHole like Watson???? Would the US? Of course it would not. Imagine if the Sea Shepherd changed tactic and come over there and told you they were taking all your guns away because they feel it is a good idea, and puts people at risk?

Bugger on Japan saving face. Who bloody cares. They're not capable of whaling when Sea Shepherd is on their stern. They're consummate losers on this issue. Your aversion to winning is remarkable. Your obstinance reminds me of my grandpa.

It is not right on, it is as off as one can get. Like a prawn in the sun.

Captains in the worlds Navy's I would hope wish they could do to Watson what he does to any boat Watson does not approve of and hinder him if not sink him. He BSes his way across because he too is in International Waters, so he is as touchable as the Japanese, or he would be rotting away in a prison someplace like he should be.

Well if your government is so disabled to do all the simple things that I suggest it should do, it doesn't have a wet dream of getting Paul Watson in the US. Why doesn't your fantastic govt do something against Sea Shepherd Australia who's running the gauntlet against the Japanese? Making this about Paul Watson makes you sound emotional and indicates you don't really care about their tactics, it's more just a personal tiff with Watson consisting mostly of whining.

I wish the hell everyone would just leave Australia out of it, we are the closest port, that's about it as far as our Whaling Jurisdiction goes. The Sea SHepherd lie, and make out we have some jurisdiction, we do not.

It's clear that you thought Sea Shepherd said they enter your waters, and that your government does too.

I know how to do it but lack the means, now what?

Is Sea Shepherd going to fly me to Japan and put me up on a diplomatic mission? No Way!! How do you make a TV show out of that???

Vigilantism does as much harm as it does good.

LINK - The ins and outs of a citizen's arrest

Last weekend a man died in north Queensland while being pinned to the ground during a citizen's arrest.

On Thursday footage emerged of a Victorian tram inspector holding a university student under a bench, while pressing his knee to his throat, for failing to buy a ticket.

Police say good Samaritans restrained the Cairns man after he attacked two women outside a suburban house last Saturday.

Neighbours and friends restrained the man and held him face down on the ground until police arrived.

But the 37-year-old man was unconscious when police arrived at the scene on Charnley Avenue in Bentley Park.

He was taken to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

So you're anti-vigilantism and then hand me an anecdote where someone was pronounced dead. Why don't you find me someone who was pronounced dead killed by Sea Shepherd?

People are that dimwitted to think of only Johnny Depp when the word Pirate is used??

I don't think that has anything to do with anything on this issue.

That is sad. Sad indeed. Perhaps I should restrict myself to more appropriate terminology and just call them terrorists.

You already do call them terrorists, which is another example of how that word has no meaning anymore. Whatever it takes to poo poo the successful, in submission (cowardice?) to a foreign government raping your waters.

You're back to ranting about the US in the 1980s again too I see. With the amount of helplessness on display towards protecting your own oceans, you must think Reagan accomplished the impossible? Why do you detest people who don't let Japan walk all over them?

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No, no that's not right. A shot across the bow isn't a shot at citizens. A verbal agreement not worth anything, unless you send a warship to escort the whaling fleet out of the Southern Ocean. Dis on national pride. What an empty suited excuse for wars everywhere that is.

So If Russia fires a shot across the bow of an American Warship, it's just another way of saying hello, is that what you infer?

National pride does not go away, like I say, see if a handful of Japanese people insisting the US give up guns works. What's the US going to do? Laugh largely, and if these people make a pain of themselves, actions will be taken. Refusing to acept that is exists, and is a large part of this conflict will ensure a resolution is never found, and that be Watsons objective. He will get many seasons out of Whale Wars as long as he keeps annoying Japan.

Like I said, they make it worse, thanks to this antagonisation Japan have ramped up their operations to counter for Sea Shepherds hindrance. Now all the Sea Shepherd saves is what Japan's TOTAL catch used to be before Sea Shepherd got involved, Watson is personally responsible for more Whale deaths than there ever has been.

Japan is breaking Australian law. You can keep denying it.

http://www.abc.net.a...ust-law/1012990

No they are not, read your own link!!

He says that Australia has jurisdiction in the exclusive economic zone attached to the Antarctic territories, but he noted that Japan does not recognise Australia's Antarctic claim.

Nobody has to recognise the claim, we do not have to recognize anyone elses!! Many countries do not recognise it, Australia said "we claim this water from the bottom of Australia across the the Antarctic Shore" so a bunch of countries laid claim to Antarctica as well, being uninhabited. None of them are recognised expecting a small group. it is not a global right.

That is like me walking into your town and claiming the local park!! You won't recognise it will you.

Surrender, appeasement and declared impotence is no solution. If nobody can do anything, that makes Sea Shepherd the golden child.

It shows the might Japan has. Australia has no claim to the waters being fished in, so it is everybody's problem, but they all throw Australia in the limelight hoping they can continue to sit on their hands. Many countries would suffer major unemployment problems if Japan shut down it's electronic industries tomorrow. So everyone is hoping Australia will cop the blow, but it's everyone's problem. Ridiculous how we keep getting dragged into this.

There is international law authorizing Sea Shepherd to do what they do. There are Australian laws against the Japanese whalers that wouldn't even exist if your denials were the first bit true. There are international rulings specifically against the Japanese whalers as well. Sea Shepherd has all the laws it needs, the difference is the will to enforce them.

No there is not, there is an agreement by people who belong to the IWC. Because Japan flaunts that agreement people call it a crime, but it is not, and Japan as well all know, uses weak excuses that pass the loopholes in the charter.

If your claims of the laws being broken were at all true, then you and I would not even be having this conversation, it really is that simple.

Alright that's just creepy.

Real life, survival of the fittest. That takes over when law fails. There will always be a hierarchy.

Good deal

Denying facts is a common form of BS

http://www.abc.net.a...ers-out/4495166

Yes it is, that is why the Sea Shepherd Society employ them and make people like you think that laws exist that do not to further their cause, and sucker you into giving them funds.

Again, you do not seem to have read your own link!!

Mr Brown says the Shonan Maru stopped this morning just outside Australia's territorial waters.

He says there may be legal arguments about who has control over exclusive economic zones.

"Tokyo has ignored the call from the Federal Government for this part of the whaling fleet not to enter our exclusive economic zone," he said.

"It's stayed outside the direct territorial waters but it has not obliged that request and protest from Australia that it should not enter our exclusive economic zone.

The greens are the only reason we have that bunch of fools who call themselves Sea Shepherd Australia here at all. We can tell Japan they are not welcome to fish in the EEZ but there is no law to say we can keep them out of it.

Do you understand the limits of the EEZ yourself, or do you only have the garbage Sea Shepherd vomits onto a keyboard?? The EEZ is a sea zone prescribed by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea over which a state has special rights regarding the exploration and use of marine resources, 166 countries and the European Union have joined in the Convention. However, it is uncertain as to what extent the Convention codifies customary international law. Call Whaling Scientific Research, and you meet the guidelines required to skirt all agreements including the agreed Sanctuary. Or one can just quit and thumb your nose at the UN. Japan has decided to rub our noses in it so we remember that they were denied decent fishing grounds.

What in the world do you think you're talking about dude? Your government says they do. Stop denying reality. Stop disrespecting your own rule of law by trying so vainly to make it impotent.

Ohh facepalm Yam!!

The Criminal Code has nothing to do with the Government mate!!

It is the code that criminals work by, they do not give a damn!!

Yeah and let's not forget Paul Watson's deck cannon! Are you still getting your information from the Government of Japan?

Nah, footage. Damage reports. Court claims. Legal type stuff, unlike anything the Sea Shepherd is capable of understanding.

Bugger on Japan saving face. Who bloody cares. They're not capable of whaling when Sea Shepherd is on their stern. They're consummate losers on this issue. Your aversion to winning is remarkable. Your obstinance reminds me of my grandpa.

They are the losers are they??

While Whales continue to die, mate I would say we are all losing. The Sea Shepherd is not winning, they are dragging this out so we can't win. As long as the Sea Shepherd is on the water, Japan will continue to ramp up and kill more whales each year in retaliation. That is a bad thing.

Well if your government is so disabled to do all the simple things that I suggest it should do, it doesn't have a wet dream of getting Paul Watson in the US. Why doesn't your fantastic govt do something against Sea Shepherd Australia who's running the gauntlet against the Japanese? Making this about Paul Watson makes you sound emotional and indicates you don't really care about their tactics, it's more just a personal tiff with Watson consisting mostly of whining.

Because of the Green Party. Bob Brown needs something to do and for the moment, this is it. Politics keep the Australian Sea Shepherd afloat.

Paul Watson is the face of Sea Shepherd, and the cretin who put it together after being kicked out of Greenpeace for being too violent. He is mentioned because of that reason. I have no love for any Sea Shepherd member or advocate, they are destroying any chance at ending whaling.

And Watson being sich an AHole is indeed an easy target. That fool shoots his mouth off often enough to make it easy for anyone to do so.

It's clear that you thought Sea Shepherd said they enter your waters, and that your government does too.

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So you're anti-vigilantism and then hand me an anecdote where someone was pronounced dead. Why don't you find me someone who was pronounced dead killed by Sea Shepherd?

Lucky for everyone they have only maimed and damaged to date. It's only a matter of time though with their tactics.

And as you know, Watson is recorded making death threats.

Yes I am anti vigilism, it is a stupid way to live life.

I don't think that has anything to do with anything on this issue.

I can't think how else Pirates = $ ????

You already do call them terrorists, which is another example of how that word has no meaning anymore. Whatever it takes to poo poo the successful, in submission (cowardice?) to a foreign government raping your waters.

Not our waters, you think that because the Sea Shepherd says so, but if that was the case, there would bo no thread, and no Sea Shepherd, - as delightful as that sounds.

I meant as the only term, you know, drop the pirates and just use the appropriate term of Terrorist.

It sure still has meaning here.

You're back to ranting about the US in the 1980s again too I see. With the amount of helplessness on display towards protecting your own oceans, you must think Reagan accomplished the impossible? Why do you detest people who don't let Japan walk all over them?

https://news.google....4,1904207&hl=en

I do not think he accomplished the impossible I think he made a promise that he broke, and was lead around by the nose the entire time, which is how it ended up such a mess. The US is responsible for the current whaling situation, but it sits on it's hands and pretends it;s al out\r problem, that is BS mate. The US does not want to suffer a backlash from Japan and hide behind Australia.

How is it walking all over the US when originally, the US agreed to the compromise???

No wonder the Sea Shepherd TV shows are huge in the US, it is a great way to divert responsibility. Your tough guy act is immature. We all live on this planet, if we had the decency to think of that before profit, we would not have half the problems we do. What's it the price on whaling? 440 million a quarter? That is what the US sold it out for. What would be a true act of courage would be to put that profit aside, and discuss with Japan about ending whaling, letting them feed their people too.

The fault is everyones, until someone realises that, these idiots calling themselves the Sea Shepherd will only ensure whaling continues, and gets bigger and badder every ensuing year.

Sea Shepherd sucks.

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Yes, because Hapan would cripple its economy in order to be revenged upon someone for digging their heels in over something the Japanese people themselves have little interest in.

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LINK - Paul Watson: Tsunami That Killed Hundreds of Japanese Was Divine Punishment

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Paul Watson, leader of Sea Shepherd, can now be counted among those people who have posted disgusting online messages attributing the Tohoku earthquake to divine punishment. Here is a little poem he wrote, celebrating the tsunami as the “fearful wrath” of the angry sea god Neptune, who “smote” the ocean floor:

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