Still Waters Posted March 13, 2016 #1 Share Posted March 13, 2016 We never forget our loved ones once they have passed away. But for as many as six in ten of us, the memories become something much more tangible. According to a study, most people who have lost a partner will see, hear or sense them in some way. Researchers said the level of these 'hallucinatory experiences' - for example seeing a loved one in their old chair or hearing them call their name - was 'strikingly high'. They said the phenomenon is much more common than we might think because many bereaved people are reluctant to report their experiences for fear of being looked upon as mentally unwell. http://www.nzherald....jectid=11604679 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted March 13, 2016 #2 Share Posted March 13, 2016 This does noes not surprise me, in fact I would have said higher...certainly nothing to do with being mentally unwell, its holding on to those dear memories. No ghosts, no spirits, just carrying the memories along with you and at times they will emerge into a......'hallucinatory experiences' . If it makes people feel at peace or better, then that's great. I am surprised the researchers are surprised at the figure, why? thousands have 'hallucinatory experiences' where religion is involved, so why not have them when close loved one is? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted March 13, 2016 #3 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I did, it didn't seem like any other hallucination I had had in the past at the time. I wish I could have another one. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVG Posted March 14, 2016 #4 Share Posted March 14, 2016 In my case it comes to me in dreams that seem so real...Sometimes it's so hard to let go. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absinthe Posted March 14, 2016 #5 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The mind can make you see anything 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSilhouette Posted March 14, 2016 #6 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The mind can make you see anything And when more than one person sees the same thing? Then who's mind is making them see? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 14, 2016 #7 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Given human nature, the effects of stress, misremembering and exaggeration, and the 'width' of the question, ie including hearing one's name called and presumably including smells and the like.. and also that respondents might make themselves feel better by saying yes to the question (answering either way, whether truthful or not, is obviously going to be a 'victimless' lie..).. I too am surprised it isn't much higher. And when more than one person sees the same thing? Then who's mind is making them see? Their own, thru empathy, consolation, perhaps even patronisation? Can you post an evidenced example? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted March 14, 2016 #8 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I can post an example, but like most of things like this you can't really catch it as evidenced. The night my wife died a child friend of hers, thought she had come to visit her during the night. She got up in the morning all excited that my wife had come to visit. Her grandmother told her that my wife has not come to visit and she had died that night. The little girl insisted that she had been there and had ask her to give me this teddy bear the little girl had. I still have the bear. That has been 14 years ago. You never get over the loss of a spouse, you always miss them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNYC Posted March 14, 2016 #9 Share Posted March 14, 2016 My mom has had experiences after my dad passed. My mom is very much on sure footing, she has never been one to imagine things. She has smelled his shaving cream and other things have happened too. I guess if you do not believe in the afterlife, it's difficult for people to imagine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybebe Posted March 14, 2016 #10 Share Posted March 14, 2016 My grandma swore Grandpa was waiting for her. She said he was still around. When she was dying she told us that Grandpa was walking around her hospital bed. I truly believe he was there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSilhouette Posted March 15, 2016 #11 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Given human nature, the effects of stress, misremembering and exaggeration, and the 'width' of the question, ie including hearing one's name called and presumably including smells and the like.. and also that respondents might make themselves feel better by saying yes to the question (answering either way, whether truthful or not, is obviously going to be a 'victimless' lie..).. I too am surprised it isn't much higher. And when more than one person sees the same thing? Then who's mind is making them see? Their own, thru empathy, consolation, perhaps even patronisation? Can you post an evidenced example? Yes. It is "evidenced" in the sense that if necessary I could provide names of the witnesses if there was a formal investigation: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=232445&st=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 15, 2016 #12 Share Posted March 15, 2016 As you well know, that is not evidence that is any way verifiable. So all the factors I mentioned (and more) come into play. There's no major harm in the beliefs and claims, but please don't tell us there is evidence when it is just stories.. With all the cameras, webcams and security cam's, not a single event gets captured..? There's an obvious explanation for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted March 15, 2016 #13 Share Posted March 15, 2016 As you well know, that is not evidence that is any way verifiable. So all the factors I mentioned (and more) come into play. There's no major harm in the beliefs and claims, but please don't tell us there is evidence when it is just stories.. With all the cameras, webcams and security cam's, not a single event gets captured..? There's an obvious explanation for that. Only obvious if you assume the claims are false. Consider this, the "evidence" only goes to those who are rightly the recipient of it. You assume it must be "open access" verifiable, or non-existent. Limit your assumptions for better results ! There is no reason to insist that such "signs" must be for all and sundry to witness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 15, 2016 #14 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Only obvious if you assume the claims are false. Consider this, the "evidence" only goes to those who are rightly the recipient of it. You assume it must be "open access" verifiable, or non-existent. Limit your assumptions for better results ! There is no reason to insist that such "signs" must be for all and sundry to witness. That's just lame. Why wouldn't you want to share your joy and help prove what would overturn science as we know it and open up a new age? Seriously, if this was how we progressed in other fields, eg science, we would have barely got past the stone age. This has nothing to do with 'assuming claims are false' - it is all about NOT leaping to conclusions until there is at least a single actual example of the effect.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted March 15, 2016 #15 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) That's just lame. Why wouldn't you want to share your joy and help prove what would overturn science as we know it and open up a new age? Seriously, if this was how we progressed in other fields, eg science, we would have barely got past the stone age. This has nothing to do with 'assuming claims are false' - it is all about NOT leaping to conclusions until there is at least a single actual example of the effect.. Don't assume the sources of these "messages" are at liberty to reveal them to the wider world, in a way that might satisfy the sceptics. They seem to be limited to selective, private consumption only. Edited March 15, 2016 by Habitat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted March 15, 2016 #16 Share Posted March 15, 2016 It certainly has not escaped my notice that despite the vast proliferation of electronic recording devices, there is no compelling "evidence", pretty much the same can be said of UFO activity. That may be assumed to cement the notion it is all BS, or there is a strange connection between the two kinds of phenomena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted March 15, 2016 #17 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) My grandfather claimed he saw my deceased grandmother. We didn't really know if he had cognitive impairment but he died a year later at 88 years old. Still, I'm open to a spiritual aspect of this phenomenon beyond the hallucination thesis. Oftimes you hear that these experiences have a profund impact on the individual. Edited March 15, 2016 by TruthSeeker_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlawde Posted March 15, 2016 #18 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) My wife's last husband died 10-11 years ago. For several nights after he died, she saw him...with a bit of a glow...looking out the bedroom window into the backyard. He did that most nights to get fresh air, he had a heart condition that sometimes made it hard to breath. When her father died, she heard drawers opening and closing in his bedroom and lots of shuffling. Packing for the afterlife I guess! Edited March 15, 2016 by Vlawde 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evp Posted March 15, 2016 #19 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) My wife's last husband died 10-11 years ago. For several nights after he died, she saw him...with a bit of a glow...looking out the bedroom window into the backyard. He did that most nights to get fresh air, he had a heart condition that sometimes made it hard to breath. When her father died, she heard drawers opening and closing in his bedroom and lots of shuffling. Packing for the afterlife I guess! Most of these encounters seem to have been documented within the first two weeks of passing. It's commonly referred to as a "crisis apparition", if I'm not mistaken. I've had a couple of cases where the living are looking to resolve issues and really SEEK contact. I'm sure the willingness to believe contact is possible can in some cases manifest false phenomena just due to stress and emotional ties. Edited March 15, 2016 by evp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted March 15, 2016 #20 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Here is a very good article which I think believers should read: It seems like a reasonable assumption — unless you understand basic physics. The answer is very simple, and not at all mysterious. After a person dies, the energy in his or her body goes where all organisms' energy goes after death: into the environment. The energy is released in the form of heat, and transferred into the animals that eat us (i.e., wild animals if we are left unburied, or worms and bacteria if we are interred), and the plants that absorb us. There is no bodily "energy" that survives death to be detected with popular ghost-hunting devices. http://www.livescience.com/26697-are-ghosts-real.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVG Posted March 16, 2016 #21 Share Posted March 16, 2016 When my granddaughter was three she would talk about her uncle Bob... Bob passed a good 10 years before she was born and she had many conversations with him and said he smoked and had red hair...I am not sure what to make of this but I am not going to doubt my granddaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 16, 2016 #22 Share Posted March 16, 2016 When my granddaughter was three she would talk about her uncle Bob... Bob passed a good 10 years before she was born and she had many conversations with him and said he smoked and had red hair...I am not sure what to make of this but I am not going to doubt my granddaughter. ? I don't think anyone here is doubting her, or would ask you to.. But given this was her dad/mum's brother, and they would probably have spoken about him either directly to, or in earshot of, their daughter, and no doubt there were photos or other mementos of him that she might have asked about, or mutual friends might have visited and talked about him to her, etc... She will have picked up on all/any of that and it would have become an obvious choice for the name of an imaginary friend. Life is VERY complex, things happen, things are overheard, and even at a young age we have remarkable 'intuition'. This sort of thing doesn't necessarily need any invocation of spirits, and in my opinion such things are wonderful enough in their down-to-earth explanations.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlawde Posted March 16, 2016 #23 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Kids memories can be weird, and they can see/overhear things that stick withthem. When I was a toddler I had an uncle who the family called uncle bunny. He passed away still when i was a toddler. When I was 5-6 or so I swore I remembered him wearing a full body bunny suit and smoking a cigar! Of course that wasn't true. It's true, the trauma of someone close dying could cause "wishful thinking" and the stress maybe a hallucination. But I do believe some of these may be real. If my wife goes before me she'll try and bug me, and vice versa, just to prove to the other we're still around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 16, 2016 #24 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Here is a very good article which I think believers should read: It seems like a reasonable assumption — unless you understand basic physics. The answer is very simple, and not at all mysterious. After a person dies, the energy in his or her body goes where all organisms' energy goes after death: into the environment. The energy is released in the form of heat, and transferred into the animals that eat us (i.e., wild animals if we are left unburied, or worms and bacteria if we are interred), and the plants that absorb us. There is no bodily "energy" that survives death to be detected with popular ghost-hunting devices. http://www.livescien...hosts-real.html Are there any scientific experiments that are even trying to discover the existence of spirits? Why would we expect any real effort in that direction, when the subject is already assumed by them to not be? Why are near death incidences, where its confirmed by Doctors and others that the patient knew things they in no way could have known while clinically dead ignored? Claimed to have been watching the whole scene from some point in the room. Often from above. People here who want evidence refuse to even look at such cases. Those that do consider them, often dismiss them giving no real reasons. That's equivalent to putting there hands over their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted March 16, 2016 #25 Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) Are there any scientific experiments that are even trying to discover the existence of spirits? Why would we expect any real effort in that direction, when the subject is already assumed by them to not be? Why are near death incidences, where its confirmed by Doctors and others that the patient knew things they in no way could have known while clinically dead ignored? Claimed to have been watching the whole scene from some point in the room. Often from above. People here who want evidence refuse to even look at such cases. Those that do consider them, often dismiss them giving no real reasons. That's equivalent to putting there hands over their ears while yelling LA LA LA LA. Did you read the whole article? this is only one, but there are many. From the article: With so many basic contradictory theories — and so little science brought to bear on the topic — it's not surprising that despite the efforts of thousands of ghost hunters on television and elsewhere for decades, not a single piece of hard evidence of ghosts has been found. Do you remember this one too: http://www.telegraph...experiment.html Please note all evidence is looked at, that is how we come to the conclusion they are not real. it is the believers who do NOT look at all other options. Jeeze we see that here all the time. Edited March 16, 2016 by freetoroam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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