Dark_Grey Posted May 17, 2016 #1 Share Posted May 17, 2016 It all depends on where you pick your polls... One America News Network and Gravis Marketing, a nonpartisan research firm, conducted a random survey of 1,574 registered voters across the United States. The poll was conducted on May 10th and has a margin of error of ± 2.5% at the 95% confidence level. This OAN poll is the stuff of Team Hillary Clinton nightmares, for a couple of reasons: 1. The poll is well over-sampled toward Democrats: 40% Democrat, 33% Republican, 27% Independent. Yet, Hillary barely squeaks out ahead. 2. The Independents in the poll heavily skew toward Donald Trump 58%. This is the battleground space/electorate for almost all swing state polling. 3. Donald Trump wins Hispanic voters. 4. Trump also wins 81% of the evangelical vote. https://twitter.com/...501778873749505 https://theconservat...-55-clinton-45/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblykiss Posted May 17, 2016 #2 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Well Trump has stated he will create jobs, by building a wall and making Mexico fund its construction. I still have a hard time believing that Trump has not managed to sink himself yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted May 17, 2016 #3 Share Posted May 17, 2016 There are going to be some very surprised people when the election comes around. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 17, 2016 #4 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Uh oh spaghetios. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 17, 2016 Author #5 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Well Trump has stated he will create jobs, by building a wall and making Mexico fund its construction. I still have a hard time believing that Trump has not managed to sink himself yet. I was thinking about this Latino poll this morning and why they would support a man who is all about deportation. Then I put myself in their shoes. Imagine how it would feel to work your buttocks off scrimping and saving Pesos to get your family in to America. Passports, documents, Visas, whatever immigration requires. Now imagine having to do this in Mexico on a blue-collar salary - very daunting task. One day, years later, you finally, finally make it to California with your family, proudly American and completely legal. ...then you meet some illegals who simply crossed the border in a different spot and now have the same opportunities you do. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 17, 2016 #6 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I know an immigrant couple from Mexico that came here legally in the 90's and two years ago became citizens. They can't stand illegal aliens and are not very left leaning at all. I would be surprised if they don't vote Trump. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted May 17, 2016 #7 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) I can't exactly speak for the other millions of Latinos, but the majority I know are Sanders supporters who despise Clinton. A few Trump fans in there, as well, but yea, mostly for Bernie. Many claim they'll vote Trump or simply not vote if it comes down to him vs Hillary, but I'll believe it when I see it. Edited May 17, 2016 by Not Your Huckleberry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted May 17, 2016 #8 Share Posted May 17, 2016 a lot of people vote for Trump cause they don't want a woman as president (and a lot of Latinos are religious, it figures. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted May 17, 2016 #9 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Because the only possible reason one would vote against Hillary is because they don't want a female president, correct? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 17, 2016 #10 Share Posted May 17, 2016 And the only reason they don't want a female president is because they're religious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 17, 2016 #11 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) a lot of people vote for Trump cause they don't want a woman as president (and a lot of Latinos are religious, it figures. ) That's not why. It's because Clinton is a singularly unlikable person who can't open her mouth without telling a lie or speaking in vague lawyeresque deceitful ways, who has proven with her private email server that she would run the least transparent administration in US history and was bought and paid for by big money interests years before this campaign started.She doesn't stand a chance. Edited May 17, 2016 by OverSword 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 18, 2016 Author #12 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Hellwyr, you always have a card up your sleeve: unfortunately, it's the victim card. Hillary's gender is the last thing any informed voter is worried about - start reading the comments sections of news pieces and you'll see how many other reasons there are to not want her in the Oval Office. This is for your benefit as well, believe it or not. Hillary will not do what is in your best interests. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 18, 2016 #13 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Hellwyr, you always have a card up your sleeve: unfortunately, it's the victim card. Hillary's gender is the last thing any informed voter is worried about - start reading the comments sections of news pieces and you'll see how many other reasons there are to not want her in the Oval Office. Those are all code for sexism. Didn't you know? There were no good reasons not to vote for Obama. Anyone honest with themselves couldn't disagree with his wisdom and charm unless they were a white supremacist. Same will apply with Hillary with the appropriate slanders. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careful_perspective Posted May 18, 2016 #14 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I was thinking about this Latino poll this morning and why they would support a man who is all about deportation. Then I put myself in their shoes. Imagine how it would feel to work your buttocks off scrimping and saving Pesos to get your family in to America. Passports, documents, Visas, whatever immigration requires. Now imagine having to do this in Mexico on a blue-collar salary - very daunting task. One day, years later, you finally, finally make it to California with your family, proudly American and completely legal. ...then you meet some illegals who simply crossed the border in a different spot and now have the same opportunities you do. I was just about to say I know two people who support Trump who are Hispanic because they came over legally and it took YEARS and they are resentful of those who came illegally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted May 18, 2016 #15 Share Posted May 18, 2016 It's not surprising that Latinos are backing Trump. For years we've heard that Latinos only take the jobs that Americans won't do. Now, imagine you're a settled Latino immigrant. You're raising a family on one of those jobs. It's you who would be most threatened by illegals because they're competing for the same jobs. Only, because they're illegal, they're willing to take even less pay than you're getting. That puts established immigrants closer politically to natural born Americans than to the countrymen they left behind. Hillary wants to bring in more refugees who would be competing at the same economic level. Now Trump doesn't look so bad. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted May 18, 2016 #16 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) A survey reported by a Conservative biased Cable Network from a polling company which shows a clear Republican bias in its surveys (with a poor rating for accuracy). I will take this one with a grain of salt if you don't mind. http://fivethirtyeig...llster-ratings/ Which just goes to show, you can find a poll to confirm any bias if you just search hard enough. A little more sobering is this poll result of just 5 days ago - which surveyed more than the total poll from Gravis polling referenced in the article above: Despite previous polls reporting that Donald Trump’s popularity with Latino voters was dramatically decreasing, a new NBC News/Survey Monkey online survey released Tuesday morning has the presumptive Republican presidential nominee earning 28% of Latino support in a hypothetical head-to-head scenario with Hillary Clinton, who earned 65% of Latino support. The total number of Latinos surveyed was 1,264....... In other polls conducted earlier this year, Trump’s Latino support was as low as 12% (FIU/Adsmovil) or hovering around the 15% mark (Washington Post/Univision). In March, a Gallup poll reported that Trump’s unfavorability rating with Latinos was at 77%: the highest of any presidential candidate in the race. In contrast, Clinton’s unfavorables with Latinos was at 26%, while Bernie Sanders was at 16%. When it comes to favorability ratings and Latinos, Trump was at 12%, Clinton at 59% and Sanders at 35%. . http://latinousa.org...ey-monkey-poll/ Which just goes to show I can find a poll which refutes yours, have I proven anything - MAYBE. Br Cornelius Edited May 18, 2016 by Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted May 18, 2016 #17 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Hellwyr, you always have a card up your sleeve: unfortunately, it's the victim card. Hillary's gender is the last thing any informed voter is worried about - start reading the comments sections of news pieces and you'll see how many other reasons there are to not want her in the Oval Office. This is for your benefit as well, believe it or not. Hillary will not do what is in your best interests. Do you think people would openly admit they don't vote for her cause she's a woman. I do know some people who said they think Trump is stronger cause he is a man. That's how this world goes. Her gender is a disadvantage whether you believe it or not. Also, she is better than Trump. Trump is flipflopping, agressive, hateful, an opertunist, disrespectful and by all means he doesn't deserve to become the president of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted May 18, 2016 #18 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Do you think people would openly admit they don't vote for her cause she's a woman. I’m sure that those that don’t vote for her would be very proud to admit that it’s because she is a woman, but also the number that won’t vote for her because she is a woman is probably a very small. She has so many negatives not related to gender and those are the reasons not to vote for her. Playing the woman card is but a distraction from her deficiencies. But let’s turn that around and look at the sheer numbers that will only vote for her because she is a woman. When you ask this group of her qualifications and accomplishments, they struggle to come up with something significant. They’re more than likely to espouse that she’ll be the first woman President. Those that claim that are too ignorant about why one should not admit that. I do know some people who said they think Trump is stronger cause he is a man. There is probably some truth in that but at the same time, that is no reason not to vote for Hilary. The issue to look at is her health. It is questionable. I’m sure Trump is a stronger candidate based on health. I’m sure that issue will come up in the next 6 months and people will irrationally call it sexist. That's how this world goes. Her gender is a disadvantage whether you believe it or not. I know her gender is not a disadvantage. That’s not a belief. It’s her character that gives her the disadvantage. Also, she is better than Trump. Trump is flipflopping, agressive, hateful, an opertunist, disrespectful and by all means he doesn't deserve to become the president of the USA. That’s funny, you just described Hilary. She was going to put miners out of work before she was going to help them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted May 18, 2016 #19 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Which just goes to show, you can find a poll to confirm any bias if you just search hard enough. Polls are usually bias driven. It’s not hard at all. But like your example, how many Latinos of that 1264 are legal full-fledged (at least second generation) citizens? People just assume that all Hispanics have loyalties for each other. That’s not true. That’s also racist. When you become a citizen, you must drop all allegiance to the old country. Many Americans of Hispanic descent are in the same boat as all other Americans – they want the border closed too. When you weed out the illegals, what’s left is more than likely to support Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sam Posted May 18, 2016 #20 Share Posted May 18, 2016 I was thinking about this Latino poll this morning and why they would support a man who is all about deportation. Then I put myself in their shoes. Imagine how it would feel to work your buttocks off scrimping and saving Pesos to get your family in to America. Passports, documents, Visas, whatever immigration requires. Now imagine having to do this in Mexico on a blue-collar salary - very daunting task. One day, years later, you finally, finally make it to California with your family, proudly American and completely legal. ...then you meet some illegals who simply crossed the border in a different spot and now have the same opportunities you do. That get's lost in the politics so much. I have stated this many times, legal immigrants are p***ed while illegals are getting in free what took them years to do. Of course they would side with Donald Trump who wants to stop this, if I was in their shoes, I would too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 18, 2016 Author #21 Share Posted May 18, 2016 A survey reported by a Conservative biased Cable Network from a polling company which shows a clear Republican bias in its surveys (with a poor rating for accuracy). I will take this one with a grain of salt if you don't mind. http://fivethirtyeig...llster-ratings/ Which just goes to show, you can find a poll to confirm any bias if you just search hard enough. A little more sobering is this poll result of just 5 days ago - which surveyed more than the total poll from Gravis polling referenced in the article above: http://latinousa.org...ey-monkey-poll/ Which just goes to show I can find a poll which refutes yours, have I proven anything - MAYBE. Br Cornelius Trump's biggest mouthpieces, HuffPo and FOX, both seem to be reporting similar results with HuffPo citing NBC and Gallup polls as well. Doesn't seem like the poll in the OP was a phenomenon - Latino's really hate illegals. If you've proven anything, it's that biases are thick on both sides. So hard to find truly independent and objective polls these days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 18, 2016 #22 Share Posted May 18, 2016 A survey reported by a Conservative biased Cable Network from a polling company which shows a clear Republican bias in its surveys. I will take this one with a grain of salt if you don't mind. Do you take the surveys that are reported by liberal based cable networks and from polling comanies that show a clear democratic bias with a grain of salt as well? If it backs up your desired paradigm I seriously doubt it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 18, 2016 #23 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Do you think people would openly admit they don't vote for her cause she's a woman. I do know some people who said they think Trump is stronger cause he is a man. That's how this world goes. Her gender is a disadvantage whether you believe it or not. Also, she is better than Trump. Trump is flipflopping, agressive, hateful, an opertunist, disrespectful and by all means he doesn't deserve to become the president of the USA. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted May 18, 2016 #24 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Do you take the surveys that are reported by liberal based cable networks and from polling comanies that show a clear democratic bias with a grain of salt as well? If it backs up your desired paradigm I seriously doubt it. Let me put it this way: what he is trying to tell you is that there are some people who polled themselves happy. Yes, there are liberals who also do that. But that does not remove the fact. Edited May 18, 2016 by questionmark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 18, 2016 #25 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Really? Thanks for clearing that up for me I didn't get that until just now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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