Still Waters Posted May 19, 2016 #1 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Eleven children have been injured in a dog attack in a play park. The animal, believed to be a Staffordshire bull terrier, was restrained by a parent after biting the children at the park in Blyth, Northumberland. They suffered bite wounds as they remained trapped in the fenced-off play park, at about 18:30 BST on Wednesday. Nine were taken to hospital and treated for bite injuries, with a seven-year-old girl expected to need skin grafts. The father of one of the injured children managed to tie the dog to a fence with a cardigan, before police transported it to kennels. http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-tyne-36330540 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted May 19, 2016 #2 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Never mind putting the dog down, put the owner down too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted May 19, 2016 #3 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Poor dog, not it's fault that it's owner raised it to be like that. Unfortunately, it's more likely the dog will be put down rather than an attempt to re-train it to be a nicer dog. I hope they throw the book at the owner for letting it come to this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted May 19, 2016 #4 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Dog licences! prison for the owners! Professional training of dog before it goes to a home! professional training for potential owners before they buy a staffy. problem is many of the owners insist their staffy is not dangerous = until it bites a child / adult or kills another dog. When out they should be muzzled. This story is down to the owner: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/590499/Stoke-girl-serious-condition-bite-wounds-Staffy-attack This story is not: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/01/dangerous-dog-attack-victims-speak 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted May 19, 2016 Author #5 Share Posted May 19, 2016 A 37-year-old woman has been arrested. https://uk.news.yaho...-152554374.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use your brain Posted May 19, 2016 #6 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Staffordshire bull terrier/ American Staffordshire terrier = Pitbull. I thought you guys already had those banned? I'm tired of people making whole breeds of dogs look bad through their own ignorance. I hope she gets the maximum sentence allowed. Unfortunately, thanks to it's owner, the dog needs to be put down. Biting children = instant game over. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted May 19, 2016 #7 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Breed banning laws are beginning to make more and more sense to me. Pit bulls were bred, specifically, to be vicious. You can argue that all you'd like, but it's the cold hard fact. Why do you think some dogs are more adept at herding? Some at pointing? They were specifically bred that way. Pit Bulls consistently are on 'most dangerous breeds' lists. Source:https://lifestyle9.o...stay-away-from/ for example I'm not saying we need to destroy them, or anything so cruel, but until dog owners stop deluding themselves this will continue to be a problem. Dogs, especially those with aggressive temperments, can be unpredictable. And then add on the incredible strength, size, and focus, Pit bulls should not be a family dog in a community. It's hard for me to say all this, as the best dog I have ever had was a Pit Bull. His name was Joker, and he lived with us when we lived on the farm. He was super protective of us kids, and patrolled the area for skunks, badgers, and other associated troublemakers. But, we eventually had to move to town, and he couldn't take living in such a small yard. We gave him to another farmer, who ended up shooting him, as he snapped and started killing livestock. I know owners can do wonderful things with this breed, but far too many don't, or worse yet, train the dogs to fight. But that breed really doesn't belong within the city limits. Edited May 19, 2016 by supervike 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use your brain Posted May 19, 2016 #8 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Breed banning laws are beginning to make more and more sense to me. Pit bulls were bred, specifically, to be vicious. You can argue that all you'd like, but it's the cold hard fact. Why do you think some dogs are more adept at herding? Some at pointing? They were specifically bred that way. Pit Bulls consistently are on 'most dangerous breeds' lists. Source:https://lifestyle9.o...stay-away-from/ for example I'm not saying we need to destroy them, or anything so cruel, but until dog owners stop deluding themselves this will continue to be a problem. Dogs, especially those with aggressive temperments, can be unpredictable. And then add on the incredible strength, size, and focus, Pit bulls should not be a family dog in a community. It's hard for me to say all this, as the best dog I have ever had was a Pit Bull. His name was Joker, and he lived with us when we lived on the farm. He was super protective of us kids, and patrolled the area for skunks, badgers, and other associated troublemakers. But, we eventually had to move to town, and he couldn't take living in such a small yard. We gave him to another farmer, who ended up shooting him, as he snapped and started killing livestock. I know owners can do wonderful things with this breed, but far too many don't, or worse yet, train the dogs to fight. But that breed really doesn't belong within the city limits. #1. Mastiffs were war dogs for thousands of years, yet they don't need to be banned because they usually have responsible owners. #2. Pitbulls became popular with poverty areas, gangs, and dog fighters, most of these people have no idea how to raise a dog, and they also let them roam around. #3. Most Pitbull statistics you see are from hospital reports who get the information from the victim, a lot of whom know next to nothing about dogs. #4. Dogbites.org and a few other places were shown to include "Blockhead dogs between 40 and 120lbs " as Pitbulls when they were listed as unknown breed. #5. I had a Pitbull, it just died last week. It was the nicest and most well behaved dog I have ever owned. Breed discrimination is no better than racism. Edited May 19, 2016 by Use your brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted May 19, 2016 #9 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I get that my opinion upsets people. Sorry, but I stand by it. And, to compare it to racism seems a bit....I dunno, disingenuous? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use your brain Posted May 19, 2016 #10 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I get that my opinion upsets people. Sorry, but I stand by it. And, to compare it to racism seems a bit....I dunno, disingenuous? It is pretty much the identical thought process and logic as racism. I could go very deep in explaining this, even down to the selective breeding argument, but I would offend a lot of people and potentially even get banned. You have a right to your opinion and I respect that however, I'm not trying to personally attack you. I just like posting the facts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 19, 2016 #11 Share Posted May 19, 2016 In my experience, as someone who seems to attract dogs to be aggressive towards me - it's the smaller ones that are more aggressive. An Alsatian will growl and go on its way. A Great Dane will look with on with disdain (couldn't resist). But a staffy? A corgi? They'll run up and almost nip you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllJay Posted May 19, 2016 #12 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I had a friend whom had a pitbull. He always praised how a perfect family dog it was, and how precious it were with his kids, and always played with them in their beds etc. "no worries here, its like a poodle" Then, one year later, on a normal everyday Tuesday morning, it went berserk and grab a hold of one of the kitchen chair-legs and snap it in two, with just one bite. Then it leapt at my friend and made him jump up on the sink, and scream to the kids to run out and close the kitchen door. It then went to work on the kitchen sofa and turned it to sh|t in a manner of seconds. My friend had to call the cops to come and take it out. NO poodle would, even if he tried, made this kind of mess. Not because a poodle cant flip out - but because; when a poodle freak out people dont tend to end up in the ICU. If my friends dog got hold of one of his kids it would have bitten right through its spine, like it did with that chair-leg. Poodles dont seem to do that. Get a pitbull if you like - but I wont be coming visiting you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use your brain Posted May 20, 2016 #13 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) I had a friend whom had a pitbull. He always praised how a perfect family dog it was, and how precious it were with his kids, and always played with them in their beds etc. "no worries here, its like a poodle" Then, one year later, on a normal everyday Tuesday morning, it went berserk and grab a hold of one of the kitchen chair-legs and snap it in two, with just one bite. Then it leapt at my friend and made him jump up on the sink, and scream to the kids to run out and close the kitchen door. It then went to work on the kitchen sofa and turned it to sh|t in a manner of seconds. My friend had to call the cops to come and take it out. NO poodle would, even if he tried, made this kind of mess. Not because a poodle cant flip out - but because; when a poodle freak out people dont tend to end up in the ICU. If my friends dog got hold of one of his kids it would have bitten right through its spine, like it did with that chair-leg. Poodles dont seem to do that. Get a pitbull if you like - but I wont be coming visiting you. It sounds like your friend shouldn't have had that dog if he couldn't control it. I would have snatched it up by the collar and put it outside, not the kids. Also bonus fun fact. Pitbulls have a bite force of ~235lbs. Average weight ~ 35-65lbs Poodles Average weight 45-70lbs. ( Having trouble finding the bite strength, but they were hunting dogs so it's not low. ) Labrador Retrievers have a bite force of ~230lbs. Average weight 64-79lbs Rottweilers have a bite force of ~320lbs. Average weight 110-130lbs. English Mastiffs have a bite force of 500+lbs. They maxed the scale. Average weight 160-230lbs. Edited May 20, 2016 by Use your brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllJay Posted May 20, 2016 #14 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) It sounds like your friend shouldn't have had that dog if he couldn't control it. I would have snatched it up by the collar and put it outside, not the kids. Also bonus fun fact. Pitbulls have a bite force of ~235lbs. Average weight ~ 35-65lbs Labrador Retrievers have a bite force of ~230lbs. Average weight 64-79lbs Rottweilers have a bite force of ~320lbs. Average weight 110-130lbs. English Mastiffs have a bite force of 500+lbs. They maxed the scale. Average weight 160-230lbs. Oh yeah, he "controlled it". He had it as a pup, he went to several dog instructions, agility, command, and instruction classes. He really worked this dog. He often said to me, who was a bit skeptical (of previous real-life wintriness of these dogs freaking out) saying; no worries, he is like a puppy, doing everything I tell him. He was firm, hands-on, but not in a way bit brutal to it. In his eyes; this was the perfect family dog. If he had - that day - tried to take this dog by the collar, he would have lost his hand - and his face. . Edited May 20, 2016 by EllJay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted May 20, 2016 #15 Share Posted May 20, 2016 It is pretty much the identical thought process and logic as racism. I could go very deep in explaining this, even down to the selective breeding argument, but I would offend a lot of people and potentially even get banned. You have a right to your opinion and I respect that however, I'm not trying to personally attack you. I just like posting the facts. Yep, no hard feelings here either. I know it's a touchy topic. Pet owners are very protective (and rightly so!) Really sorry about you losing your dog. It's a tough thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabby Kitten Posted May 20, 2016 #16 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Why can't they name the owner of this dangerous dog? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 20, 2016 #17 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I get that my opinion upsets people. Sorry, but I stand by it. And, to compare it to racism seems a bit....I dunno, disingenuous? A bit disingenuous? A hell of a lot I would say. Any breed that is specifically bred to fight will have problems, we gave them that problem. It's a sick mind that breeds and animal to be vicious. I agree and am sorry to hear anyone would lose a pet, it is heartbreaking. We have a contingent here that steals small dogs from homes to train fighting dogs. That is the sort of sick mind that breeds a fighting animal, and for their own pleasure. I hope they are caught, but they won't be brought to Justice, justice would be letting their own dogs loose on them. People do give such animals a bad name, and such people are the reason they exist. Dog's are awesome, greatest friends one could hope for, we should respect them more than to breed animals for our pleasure like that. Who knows the real truth, some sources say - The Pit Bull in fact has a lineage that goes back further than most other considered pure breeds in existence today. but the majority seem to agree that - Experts say ‘pit bulls’ don’t exist Attacks just happen too often with that particular breed to mark is down as co-incidence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted May 20, 2016 #18 Share Posted May 20, 2016 A bit disingenuous? A hell of a lot I would say. While I don't agree with him, I can certainly see his point. I can understand the line of thinking that would lead to that. And I understand the passion dog lovers have towards their pets. But, to your other points. One of the big problems I see, is that just like everyone thinks they are 'good drivers' or 'good parents' is the facts are just simply not there to support everyone being "good pet owners". The 'problem owners' are always the other guy. I've been around enough dogs (I was a telephone repairman for years) to know that even 'friendly' dogs don't behave the same when someone is tromping through backyards to find phone cable terminals. It's certainly not the dogs fault, they are instinctive and territorial creatures. But, it's a far cry different when a poodle is p***ed at you as opposed to a musclebound pit (or german shepard, or any big breed dogs). Another huge problem is the information available about it, there really are tons of pro and con Pit Bull sites. They facts are incredibly muddied. However, I tend to err on the side of caution, and personal experience regarding it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 23, 2016 #19 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) While I don't agree with him, I can certainly see his point. I can understand the line of thinking that would lead to that. I agree entirely, man's best friend has quite an impact on us. And I understand the passion dog lovers have towards their pets. Very much agree again, I am a dog lover myself, we have two at home, hoping to grow that too. But, to your other points. One of the big problems I see, is that just like everyone thinks they are 'good drivers' or 'good parents' is the facts are just simply not there to support everyone being "good pet owners". The 'problem owners' are always the other guy. I've been around enough dogs (I was a telephone repairman for years) to know that even 'friendly' dogs don't behave the same when someone is tromping through backyards to find phone cable terminals. It's certainly not the dogs fault, they are instinctive and territorial creatures. But, it's a far cry different when a poodle is p***ed at you as opposed to a musclebound pit (or german shepard, or any big breed dogs). And the DH instinct. The people who thought breeding a dog purely to fight was a good idea. It never was, and you are 100% right, it is not the fault of the Dog one bit, it is our fault for having the sick desire to even attempt to breed such a fighter, they have oodles of energy and are very curious, as you say, people thinking they are "good parents" but have done a rather stupid thing. And the animal pays for the stupidity of man. In the right circumstance, they would probably be an amazing animal, but not where we are seeing attacks happen. I think it is cruel to force dogs to live in environments where their natural abilities are very limited, that has to lead to some level of frustration, and as a result, we see things like attacks. Sort if like making a Great Dane or a Greyhound like in a pokey 3 meter square backyard at a flat. Mans best friend deserves better, and we should recognise that. Another huge problem is the information available about it, there really are tons of pro and con Pit Bull sites. They facts are incredibly muddied. However, I tend to err on the side of caution, and personal experience regarding it. For sure. The attacks form one breed are too common to count out. I used to have a Bull Terrier when I was young on a Farm, some say they are vicious too, but not mine. But she had no shortage of room either, and as a young man, I am sure I kept her energy levels peaked on farm duties. Edited May 23, 2016 by psyche101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 23, 2016 #20 Share Posted May 23, 2016 On 5/19/2016 at 0:53 PM, Use your brain said: Breed banning laws are beginning to make more and more sense to me. Pit bulls were bred, specifically, to be vicious. You can argue that all you'd like, but it's the cold hard fact. Why do you think some dogs are more adept at herding? Some at pointing? They were specifically bred that way. Pit Bulls consistently are on 'most dangerous breeds' lists. Source:https://lifestyle9.o...stay-away-from/ for example I'm not saying we need to destroy them, or anything so cruel, but until dog owners stop deluding themselves this will continue to be a problem. Dogs, especially those with aggressive temperments, can be unpredictable. And then add on the incredible strength, size, and focus, Pit bulls should not be a family dog in a community. It's hard for me to say all this, as the best dog I have ever had was a Pit Bull. His name was Joker, and he lived with us when we lived on the farm. He was super protective of us kids, and patrolled the area for skunks, badgers, and other associated troublemakers. But, we eventually had to move to town, and he couldn't take living in such a small yard. We gave him to another farmer, who ended up shooting him, as he snapped and started killing livestock. I know owners can do wonderful things with this breed, but far too many don't, or worse yet, train the dogs to fight. But that breed really doesn't belong within the city limits. #1. Mastiffs were war dogs for thousands of years, yet they don't need to be banned because they usually have responsible owners. #2. Pitbulls became popular with poverty areas, gangs, and dog fighters, most of these people have no idea how to raise a dog, and they also let them roam around. #3. Most Pitbull statistics you see are from hospital reports who get the information from the victim, a lot of whom know next to nothing about dogs. #4. Dogbites.org and a few other places were shown to include "Blockhead dogs between 40 and 120lbs " as Pitbulls when they were listed as unknown breed. #5. I had a Pitbull, it just died last week. It was the nicest and most well behaved dog I have ever owned. Breed discrimination is no better than racism. I also had a pit. He was a gentle, goofy kind of dog and though he loved to chew anything left in his reach he never gave me a moment's trouble. That said, I sort of inherited the dog because my niece couldn't keep him and I had to save him from the pound. He died at about 2 years old and we placed a memorial stone in the garden with the words: Ransom - 2012-2014 "The world was his chew toy" I have often wondered if the breed is inherently dangerous or if training and or abuse leads to such behavior. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use your brain Posted May 23, 2016 #21 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Just now, and then said: I also had a pit. He was a gentle, goofy kind of dog and though he loved to chew anything left in his reach he never gave me a moment's trouble. That said, I sort of inherited the dog because my niece couldn't keep him and I had to save him from the pound. He died at about 2 years old and we placed a memorial stone in the garden with the words: Ransom - 2012-2014 "The world was his chew toy" I have often wondered if the breed is inherently dangerous or if training and or abuse leads to such behavior. The breed isn't inherently dangerous. Anyone who thinks otherwise should never have any large dog, regardless of breed, because it shows how little they know about dogs. I have been around dogs for 28 years, I also do my research before getting any new breed. The "Pitbull" ( I had an American Pitbull Terrier, there are different kinds ) is very energetic and needs exercise every day. It is also very loyal and has a need to please its owner. For this reason it is very important to make sure that you provide proper training, as a confused Pitbull with pinned up energy isn't good for anyone. There are a lot of misconceptions about the Pitbull breeds. They were actually called the "Nanny Dog" for a long time since they like to protect children. People would trust these dogs to keep their children safe back when coyotes and such were an active threat to them. These dogs could also be trusted to "Babysit" while you were away. Ensuring that you child stayed where you wanted if you had the dog trained properly. People who say they were bred for fighting really have no idea what that means. The fighting bloodline of them "American Pitbull Terrier" has a smaller frame as agility was more important in fights than just pure brawn. They also have an incredibly high pain tolerance. The misconception some people have is that these dogs want to fight, they DO NOT inherently want to fight, this has to be trained into the dog from a young age. What makes a Pitbull such a good fighting dog is the willingness to do whatever the owner wants. So in their mind if you want them to fight, that is what they want more than anything because they just want to please you. This is why it is very important for the dogs to have proper training and guidance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 26, 2016 #22 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Look, you are entitled to your opinions, and you are crazy if you do not realise that all recognise as a Pitbull owner you are biased, you sig insists that you're not the sharpest tool on the shed as it is. Simple fact is this is not an uncommon occurrence. As you say, people are largely to blame, we get that, but people are not responsible. They do keep them in environments that are not good for them, and heightens frustrations and these things happen. And you are kidding yourself if you do not think that illegal dog fights prize the breed. They are a fighting dog, and were bred for that purpose, and it is being utilized by the lesser elements of society for selfish purposes. Most would agree that animal needs certain conditions to live a happy normal life, but that doesn't happen often enough, so we get these outbreaks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted May 28, 2016 #23 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Maybe I was just lucky, but I had a lot of different dogs growing up and none of them ever attacked another person. The closest two of them came was a mutt who was a trained junkyard dog we adopted that bit the hand of a stranger trying to open our front door without knocking first and an abused rottweiler(he used to have seizures from all the drugs the people we took him from would give him) who would get a bit frisky with one of our friends specifically. Or maybe we just treated them/trained them not to be violent. That junkyard dog was probably the smartest dog I've ever seen. When he wanted something he would walk up to you or wake you up, grab your wrist with his mouth and drag you to what he wanted. This could be an empty water bowl, the back door or the bedroom where the kittens were sleeping and he wanted to check up on them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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