Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 Author #101 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Dredimus said: The FBI tracks and records this information very well actually. From the Washington post : How many people police shootings a year? Noone really knows: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/08/how-many-police-shootings-a-year-no-one-knows/ The FBI's numbers are woefully inaccurate. That number – which only includes self-reported information from about 750 law enforcement agencies – hovers around 400 “justifiable homicides” by police officers each year. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics also tracks “arrest-related deaths.” But the department stopped releasing those numbers after 2009, because, like the FBI data, they were widely regarded as unreliable. “The FBI’s justifiable homicides and the estimates from (arrest-related deaths) both have significant limitations in terms of coverage and reliability that are primarily due to agency participation and measurement issues,” said Michael Planty, one of the Justice Department’s chief statisticians, in an email. Even less data exists for officer-involved shootings that do not result in fatalities. “We do not have information at the national level for police shootings that result in non-fatal injury or no injury to a civilian,” Planty said. Edited May 26, 2016 by Farmer77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredimus Posted May 26, 2016 #102 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Farmer77 said: From the Washington post : How many people police shootings a year? Noone really knows: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/08/how-many-police-shootings-a-year-no-one-knows/ The FBI's numbers are woefully inaccurate. That number – which only includes self-reported information from about 750 law enforcement agencies – hovers around 400 “justifiable homicides” by police officers each year. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics also tracks “arrest-related deaths.” But the department stopped releasing those numbers after 2009, because, like the FBI data, they were widely regarded as unreliable. “The FBI’s justifiable homicides and the estimates from (arrest-related deaths) both have significant limitations in terms of coverage and reliability that are primarily due to agency participation and measurement issues,” said Michael Planty, one of the Justice Department’s chief statisticians, in an email. Even less data exists for officer-involved shootings that do not result in fatalities. “We do not have information at the national level for police shootings that result in non-fatal injury or no injury to a civilian,” Planty said. That is simply wrong..... the FBI's UCR pulls from 18,000 different enforcement agencies across the US. Not only that, but it also pulls from the widest used systems like... LEOKA and NIBRS the SRS... This isn't a program thats been around for the last few years... it was brought to being in the late 20s and early 30s.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 Author #103 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dredimus said: That is simply wrong..... the FBI's UCR pulls from 18,000 different enforcement agencies across the US. Not only that, but it also pulls from the widest used systems like... LEOKA and NIBRS the SRS... This isn't a program thats been around for the last few years... it was brought to being in the late 20s and early 30s.... Back up your claim then . The article I posted was from what you claimed earlier in this thread was an unbiased source. Edited May 26, 2016 by Farmer77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredimus Posted May 26, 2016 #104 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, Farmer77 said: Back up your claim then ... its not that hard to back up... I mean.. you do have a search engine and the "Claim" on the UCR has been brought up several times here... Its six letters man... FBI UCR... not that hard. LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 Author #105 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, Dredimus said: ... its not that hard to back up... I mean.. you do have a search engine and the "Claim" on the UCR has been brought up several times here... Its six letters man... FBI UCR... not that hard. LINK Your link does nothing to dispute the majority of my previous post. The entire system is based on self reporting - ever hear the term fox in charge of the hen house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredimus Posted May 26, 2016 #106 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Farmer77 said: Your link does nothing to dispute the majority of my previous post. The entire system is based on self reporting - ever hear the term fox in charge of the hen house? Its not based on self reporting... which just shows that 1, you don't know what the systems mentioned actually do and how they are utilized... and 2, you didn't read anything... I mean, its a sizable chunk of information and you responded in less than 2 minutes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredimus Posted May 26, 2016 #107 Share Posted May 26, 2016 This is exactly what I was talking about yesterday... you have just PROVEN that your mind is set.. it doesn't matter what facts are presented... You tried to strike down 80 years of information in a sentence after looking at it for less than 2 minutes... such a narrow and biased view point that you cant stand when something broadsides you. Thus, I am done with this discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 Author #108 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dredimus said: Its not based on self reporting... which just shows that 1, you don't know what the systems mentioned actually do and how they are utilized... and 2, you didn't read anything... I mean, its a sizable chunk of information and you responded in less than 2 minutes... From the link you shared: To ensure these data are uniformly reported, the FBI provides contributing law enforcement agencies with a handbook that explains how to classify and score offenses and provides uniform crime offense definitions. Acknowledging that offense definitions may vary from state to state, the FBI cautions agencies to report offenses not according to local or state statutes but according to those guidelines provided in the handbook. Most agencies make a good faith effort to comply with established guidelines. Finally, in a given year, more than 18,000 agencies contribute data to the FBI; however, because of computer problems, changes in records management systems, personnel shortages, or a number of other reasons, some agencies cannot provide data for publication. The FBI appreciates the conscientious efforts made by law enforcement personnel throughout the nation to report accurate and reliable crime data. Their efforts make it possible for the FBI to provide assessments of the nature and type of crime in the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 Author #109 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, Dredimus said: This is exactly what I was talking about yesterday... you have just PROVEN that your mind is set.. it doesn't matter what facts are presented... You tried to strike down 80 years of information in a sentence after looking at it for less than 2 minutes... such a narrow and biased view point that you cant stand when something broadsides you. Thus, I am done with this discussion. Look at what I just posted , dont run away , read the damn link you shared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 Author #110 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Dredimus said: This is exactly what I was talking about yesterday... you have just PROVEN that your mind is set.. it doesn't matter what facts are presented... You tried to strike down 80 years of information in a sentence after looking at it for less than 2 minutes... such a narrow and biased view point that you cant stand when something broadsides you. Thus, I am done with this discussion. Here's some more from your link. Its entirely based on self investigating, self defining the events , and self reporting. Submitting UCR data to the FBI is a collective effort on the part of city, university/college, county, state, tribal, and federal law enforcement agencies to present a nationwide view of crime. Participating agencies throughout the country voluntarily provide reports on crimes known to the police and on persons arrested. For the most part, agencies submit monthly crime reports, using uniform offense definitions, to a centralized repository within their state. The state UCR Program then forwards the data to the FBI’s UC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted May 26, 2016 #111 Share Posted May 26, 2016 23 hours ago, Dark_Grey said: You're being deliberately silly (or the point flew miles over your head) no, the point was you can ride your bike on the sidewalk despite being it being against the law same as driving on sidewalk is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted May 26, 2016 #112 Share Posted May 26, 2016 23 hours ago, aztek said: well, he did brake the law, but what law did the witness brake? the one with the camara didn't break any law. the officer broke amendment one freedom of the press. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 Author #113 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, danielost said: the one with the camara didn't break any law. the officer broke amendment one freedom of the press. And the the fourth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 27, 2016 #114 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) was reading yahoo comments on article about daniel shaver murder, and one of the comment was really interesting. Stiles 4 minutes ago LMAO !!!! Folks, I'm a police officer as well. ALL cops are corrupt, we are ALL corrupt. Have you ever seen an episode of cops on tv ??? EVERY EVERY EVERY cop that is on that show ALWAYS tries to make the bad guys look 100 times worse than they actually are. We always try to make the bad guys look stupid, look criminal. We ask them stupid questions just to make them angry and make them break MORE laws. We do this on purpose so that it LOOKS better for us so that we are JUSTIFIED when we FEEL like being corrupt. EVERY cop is corrupt, we HAVE to be corrupt. Let me give you an example : If someone were to run a red light and NO cop was around, that person can NOT get a ticket for running a red light as long as they remain silent because cops can't prove if it was your car that ran the light, let alone if you were the driver. So then ........ why don't you see more people running red lights ??? The answer is simple : We cops use SCARE tactics to DETER people from breaking the law in areas where we can't be 24 hours a day. THAT'S why we are corrupt, so that we can DETER people from doing things like running red lights. EVERY cop is corrupt. EVERY cop bends the law, we literally can't do our jobs without being corrupt, it's impossible. It's not illegal for people to flip the bird to a cop, but if EVERYONE were to flip the bird to the cops, then no one would want to be a cop. We wouldn't want to be police officers if we couldn't be corrupt, it would be a waste of time. We can't deter crime unless we use illegal scare tactics. The reason we do this, is because we truly believe that YOU, the public, agrees with what we are doing, and we will continue to be corrupt as long as the public doesn't cry foul. Obviously no cop will admit to this, but I have no reason to lie to you. It's just the truth folks. Sorry. It's the only way we can stop people from doing crime. If you TRULY wanted cops to follow the laws 100% of the time, then you will have MULTIPLE people running red lights EVERY single day because people can NOT be prosecuted for running a red light UNLESS an officer SEES them doing it. Is that the future you want ??? ..... Be careful what you wish for. If Americans TRULY want to eliminate corrupt cops, then Americans better start killing cops. Putting TRUE fear into cops' heads is the only way you can eliminate us. Laws are not strict enough against corrupt cops, only the American people can stop corrupt cops, the government won't stop us. I plan on retiring soon, which is why I'm telling you all of this, because I know that people are getting frustrated. actually i once met an Australian cop while on vacation in Jamaica, he said exactly the same thing about our COPs show., Edited May 27, 2016 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted May 28, 2016 #115 Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) an officer's job is to clean up after the crime has been committed. he/she usually isn't around when the crime is being committed. so if they need to write tickets to both the criminal and the victim then that is what they need to do. I have always said if a cab was in an accident, the first thing I would do is ask the cab driver what he did wrong. Edited May 28, 2016 by danielost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 28, 2016 Author #116 Share Posted May 28, 2016 21 hours ago, aztek said: was reading yahoo comments on article about daniel shaver murder, and one of the comment was really interesting. Stiles 4 minutes ago LMAO !!!! Folks, I'm a police officer as well. ALL cops are corrupt, we are ALL corrupt. Have you ever seen an episode of cops on tv ??? EVERY EVERY EVERY cop that is on that show ALWAYS tries to make the bad guys look 100 times worse than they actually are. We always try to make the bad guys look stupid, look criminal. We ask them stupid questions just to make them angry and make them break MORE laws. We do this on purpose so that it LOOKS better for us so that we are JUSTIFIED when we FEEL like being corrupt. EVERY cop is corrupt, we HAVE to be corrupt. Let me give you an example : If someone were to run a red light and NO cop was around, that person can NOT get a ticket for running a red light as long as they remain silent because cops can't prove if it was your car that ran the light, let alone if you were the driver. So then ........ why don't you see more people running red lights ??? The answer is simple : We cops use SCARE tactics to DETER people from breaking the law in areas where we can't be 24 hours a day. THAT'S why we are corrupt, so that we can DETER people from doing things like running red lights. EVERY cop is corrupt. EVERY cop bends the law, we literally can't do our jobs without being corrupt, it's impossible. It's not illegal for people to flip the bird to a cop, but if EVERYONE were to flip the bird to the cops, then no one would want to be a cop. We wouldn't want to be police officers if we couldn't be corrupt, it would be a waste of time. We can't deter crime unless we use illegal scare tactics. The reason we do this, is because we truly believe that YOU, the public, agrees with what we are doing, and we will continue to be corrupt as long as the public doesn't cry foul. Obviously no cop will admit to this, but I have no reason to lie to you. It's just the truth folks. Sorry. It's the only way we can stop people from doing crime. If you TRULY wanted cops to follow the laws 100% of the time, then you will have MULTIPLE people running red lights EVERY single day because people can NOT be prosecuted for running a red light UNLESS an officer SEES them doing it. Is that the future you want ??? ..... Be careful what you wish for. If Americans TRULY want to eliminate corrupt cops, then Americans better start killing cops. Putting TRUE fear into cops' heads is the only way you can eliminate us. Laws are not strict enough against corrupt cops, only the American people can stop corrupt cops, the government won't stop us. I plan on retiring soon, which is why I'm telling you all of this, because I know that people are getting frustrated. actually i once met an Australian cop while on vacation in Jamaica, he said exactly the same thing about our COPs show., I have spoken to several officers who have intimated much the same to me. Phrased differently of course generally in a braggadocios manner as if it were a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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