grimsituation6 Posted May 23, 2016 #1 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) Whether accidental or not, cloud seeding had its roots in WW2, it was codenamed "window" and was the early development stage of chaffe. It may have been the cause of the unusual frequency of major storms in europe in the early 1940's. Edited May 23, 2016 by grimsituation6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimsituation6 Posted May 23, 2016 Author #2 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Certain metals attract water molecules and cause them to bundle together, in theory a large ammount of small metalic strips is dropped into the atmosphere it will attract water vapor and seed a cloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblykiss Posted May 23, 2016 #3 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Control is a bit strong of a word. A lot of guys in Bastogne would have loved some bullets and butter but did not get them because of bad weather. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shouldthisexist Posted May 23, 2016 #4 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Control is a bit strong of a word. A lot of guys in Bastogne would have loved some bullets and butter but did not get them because of bad weather. I agree, sounds more like effecting the weather not controlling it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted May 23, 2016 #5 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Cloud seeding is not very effective at all, which is why it is rarely used. Even the Wiki on it refers to it being an 'attempt' to procure rainfall... It will only work on clouds that are heavily saturated anyway, so is mostly used to try to target a zone that desperately needs the rainfall (eg a farming area or collection region that runs into a dam/water supply). Any cloud suitable for seeding would probably dump the rain nearby anyway. It is also costly, and really doesn't involve any form of 'control' - it just means a cloud will dump the rainfall a little earlier than it would have anyway. Even now, weather control is a dream, not a reality just yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted May 23, 2016 #6 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Q: Did the allies control the weather in WW2? A: No, we can't control it today. If true, how did we forget how to in just the last 70 years? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimsituation6 Posted May 23, 2016 Author #7 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Your right control is a strong word, procured to desired effect is better termed. Seriously, although mechanized a majority of the German military was moved by horse or on foot, weather conditions were detrimental to German operations. You are all right when you state that chaffe might have minimal impact, but on the scale of 1000+ bombers where 1 in 9 deployed chaffe it very well might have had more of an impact than originally suspected. With the cloud seeding theory and the noticed effect of increased storms over mainland europe directly after bombing raids, they may have began to seed storms intentionally. Weather warfare is illegal and thats why you wont hear about it today, but it does happen, and it was used once in the public sector for a major sports event in california a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimsituation6 Posted May 23, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Q: Did the allies control the weather in WW2? A: No, we can't control it today. If true, how did we forget how to in just the last 70 years? There are different ways to control weather, one way is direct molecule manipulation through a physical attractor like alluminum chaffe, or you can charge the ionosphere to create a flux in the natural global pressure fields, like HAARP, either way both of these technologies have been around since WW2, as haarp is basically a giant radar emitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorg Posted May 23, 2016 #9 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Allied bombing raids during World War II turned the English sky white with contrails, providing a case study for modern scientists studying how the weather is affected by these long, feathery lines of condensation that form behind aircraft. Researchers focused on larger bombing raids between 1943 to 1945 after the United States Army Air Force (USAAF) joined the air campaign against Adolf Hitler’s forces. Civil aviation was rare in the 1940s, so these combat missions represented a huge increase in flights and in potentially weather-altering contrails. Source: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/wwii-bombing-raids-altered-english-weather.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted May 23, 2016 #10 Share Posted May 23, 2016 There are different ways to control weather, one way is direct molecule manipulation through a physical attractor like alluminum chaffe, or you can charge the ionosphere to create a flux in the natural global pressure fields, like HAARP, either way both of these technologies have been around since WW2, as haarp is basically a giant radar emitter. In a scientific sense, that made little. I'd suggest that you gather your theories and prepare to defend them, Grim. You've made a few assertions. That, and a word of friendly advice ... This part of the forums feeds off woo. They'll eat your heart while telling you how much they love you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted May 23, 2016 #11 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Allied bombing raids during World War II turned the English sky white with contrails, providing a case study for modern scientists studying how the weather is affected by these long, feathery lines of condensation that form behind aircraft. Researchers focused on larger bombing raids between 1943 to 1945 after the United States Army Air Force (USAAF) joined the air campaign against Adolf Hitler’s forces. Civil aviation was rare in the 1940s, so these combat missions represented a huge increase in flights and in potentially weather-altering contrails. Source: https://www.warhisto...sh-weather.html Yeah, how did we survive that near catastrophic level of contrails? I thought that we were at war with the Nazi's and the Imperialist Nipponese. Clearly, we should have shot every airplane out of the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted May 23, 2016 #12 Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) Source: https://www.warhisto...sh-weather.html Seriously, a source from 4 1/2 years ago, that got 0 shares? Junk source. Sorry. Edited May 23, 2016 by Likely Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted May 23, 2016 #13 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Even now, South Alabam, it's uncertain how the MUCH greater number of contrails generated by modern air traffic affects the weather/climate. It certainly does not generally affect precipitation or stormy weather (wrong height, wrong type of clouds), and the trails are generated only at high altitudes (usually over 25,000ft) in conditions where cirrus cloud cover was likely anyway. Yes, large amounts of contrails do have the potential to affect the weather, but it is a complex issue involving contrary effects - eg the direct shading/UV/IR blocking effect vs the 'greenhouse' effect from the slight increase in cloud cover. It has not been resolved (afaik, happy to be contradicted) as to which way it goes despite a number of studies, so I think it is safe to assume that the effect is not that significant. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted May 23, 2016 #14 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Even now, South Alabam, it's uncertain how the MUCH greater number of contrails generated by modern air traffic affects the weather/climate. It certainly does not generally affect precipitation or stormy weather (wrong height, wrong type of clouds), and the trails are generated only at high altitudes (usually over 25,000ft) in conditions where cirrus cloud cover was likely anyway. Yes, large amounts of contrails do have the potential to affect the weather, but it is a complex issue involving contrary effects - eg the direct shading/UV/IR blocking effect vs the 'greenhouse' effect from the slight increase in cloud cover. It has not been resolved (afaik, happy to be contradicted) as to which way it goes despite a number of studies, so I think it is safe to assume that the effect is not that significant. And with that Grim, and S.A., this is just one of the well thought out responses that you'll encounter. I hope that you're willing to do your homework and offer a thoughtful response. Word of advice, please don't offer junk sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted May 23, 2016 #15 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Q: Did the allies control the weather in WW2? A: No, we can't control it today. If true, how did we forget how to in just the last 70 years? A good, solid 50% of history-based conspiracy theories suggest we forgot much more significant things a lot faster. --Jaylemurph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted May 23, 2016 #16 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Whether accidental or not, cloud seeding had its roots in WW2, it was codenamed "window" and was the early development stage of chaffe. It may have been the cause of the unusual frequency of major storms in europe in the early 1940's. Nope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted May 23, 2016 #17 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Well, it didn't work very well for D-Day, when it was postponed because of bad weather and then there was a big storm not long after that wrecked numerous ships and the American Mulberry harbour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted May 23, 2016 #18 Share Posted May 23, 2016 "Window" was nothing to do with cloud seeding, it was chaff - tiny strips of aluminium* foil - that was scattered from planes to deceive radar. * or 'aluminum' 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBearWolf Posted May 23, 2016 #19 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Here in Southern California we are suffering a major drought. If we could make it rain we would have a long time ago. Recently a storm came through and the news alerted everyone they would be seeding the clouds with aluminum particles from emmiters on surrounding mountain peaks. We can only enhance weather not create it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shouldthisexist Posted May 23, 2016 #20 Share Posted May 23, 2016 9 hours ago, jaylemurph said: [quote name=Likely Guy' timestamp='1463969931' post='5847189] Q: Did the allies control the weather in WW2? A: No, we can't control it today. If true, how did we forget how to in just the last 70 years? A good, solid 50% of history-based conspiracy theories suggest we forgot much more significant things a lot faster. --Jaylemurph And the other 49% blame those pesky pyramid building aliens! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter B Posted May 23, 2016 #21 Share Posted May 23, 2016 12 hours ago, grimsituation6 said: Your right control is a strong word, procured to desired effect is better termed. Seriously, although mechanized a majority of the German military was moved by horse or on foot, weather conditions were detrimental to German operations. You are all right when you state that chaffe might have minimal impact, but on the scale of 1000+ bombers where 1 in 9 deployed chaffe it very well might have had more of an impact than originally suspected. With the cloud seeding theory and the noticed effect of increased storms over mainland europe directly after bombing raids, they may have began to seed storms intentionally. Weather warfare is illegal and thats why you wont hear about it today, but it does happen, and it was used once in the public sector for a major sports event in california a few years ago. Bad weather was detrimental to the Allies on plenty of occasions too. Others have mentioned the storm which delayed the D-Day landings by a day and the Great Storm which nearly wrecked the artificial harbours. There was also the bad weather which delayed paratroop drops during Operation Market-Garden, and the bad weather which grounded Allied planes during the first few days of the Battle of the Bulge. Plus dozens if not hundreds of air raids were cancelled due to cloud cover. Plus many ships were lost to storms, particularly on the Arctic convoys. And, on the reverse side, the Allies would much have preferred bad weather to help hide the scattered ships of Convoy PQ-17. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted May 24, 2016 #22 Share Posted May 24, 2016 NO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted May 24, 2016 #23 Share Posted May 24, 2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted May 25, 2016 #24 Share Posted May 25, 2016 22 minutes ago, Habitat said: Now that you have posted this I feel I have to post The Weather Girls' "its raining men" as a counter: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarocal Posted May 25, 2016 #25 Share Posted May 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: Now that you have posted this I feel I have to post The Weather Girls' "its raining men" as a counter: That song brings back memories of being dragged to go see "Magic Mike" in the movie theater. The movie was boring but as Channing Tatum wasn't around afterwards my evening improved greatly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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