+OverSword Posted May 26, 2016 #1 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Quote Over 100 Freedom of Records Act (FOIA) requests have finally forced the euphemist US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to admit a widely used vaccine preservative is the equivalent of a neurological armageddon. With help from PhD Scientist and Biochemist, Brian Hooker, the agency has finally had to reveal that they have known for years that thimerosal, which was banned in 1999, but still used in over 60 vaccines, causes autism. Robert F. Kennedy has been trying to alert the public of the same troublesome findings that Hooker has unveiled, but he is often dismissed, or worse, made into a media fool by the pharmaceutical industry. What is Thimerosal and Why Should I Care? Thimerosal is a mercury-based vaccine adjuvant (preservative) that causes a number of brain-injuring problems, with autism among them. Thimerosal is also a human carcinogen, mutagen, and teratogen that also interrupts the immune system and interrupts proper fetal development. Source 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 26, 2016 #2 Share Posted May 26, 2016 wasn't it supposed to be stupid antivax conspiracy? pen and teller can blow each other now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 #3 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Ive intentionally stayed out of this debate because scientifically its punching a little over my weight class, but the conversation has been maddening listening to the "anti vaxxers" be demonized. All while the pro establishment crowd is offering zero in way of explanation for the absurd 120+% increase in autism over the last 30 years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted May 26, 2016 #4 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) Me thinks this story is bogus. Edited May 26, 2016 by Aftermath 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted May 26, 2016 #5 Share Posted May 26, 2016 This is HUGE! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 #6 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Buried in the OP's article was a really good link to an article about 22 different studies done which show a link between vaccines and autism : http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted May 26, 2016 #7 Share Posted May 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: Buried in the OP's article was a really good link to an article about 22 different studies done which show a link between vaccines and autism : http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html The 5mn. video in this link is very easy to understand ...... it's very clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 26, 2016 #8 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Before I get myself riled up, are there any alternate links that aren't "vaccines-cause-autism.com" or "thisisalegithealthsite.org"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 26, 2016 #9 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/04/22/head-of-cdc-admits-on-cnn-that-vaccines-can-trigger-autism.aspx http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-whistleblower-comes-forward-admits-coverup-on-vaccine-link-to-autism/ http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1164046 its everywhere , just google it. Edited May 26, 2016 by aztek 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 #10 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Just now, Dark_Grey said: Before I get myself riled up, are there any alternate links that aren't "vaccines-cause-autism.com" or "thisisalegithealthsite.org"? Why would there be? The people who control big pharm control the "established" media. I highly suggest the 5 min video in this article : http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines.html Nothing definitive of course but enough info about the inner workings of the gov/pharm connection to make you question anything they say. We do know that the US government has given compensation to at least 83 people because they got autism from vaccines. Here's a huff post article on the subject , thats almost legit media lol : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/high-rates-of-autism-foun_b_859234.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 26, 2016 #11 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) Here's where it gets tricky:Snopes.com Examined this Case Quote The CDC issued a statement regarding the data in question, with instructions for accessing the study at the center of the controversy. As the CDC noted, the authors of that study suggested that the most likely explanation for the moderate correlation between autism and vaccination in young children was the existence of immunization requirements for autistic children enrolled in special education preschool programs It then offers a more thorough breakdown of their conclusion. Snopes is generally regarded as a reliable third party objective source. Edit to add-- I just don't have time to go through the actual studies to see how conclusions were drawn. There isn't enough time in the day! Edited May 26, 2016 by Dark_Grey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use your brain Posted May 26, 2016 #12 Share Posted May 26, 2016 15 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: Here's where it gets tricky: Snopes.com Examined this Case It then offers a more thorough breakdown of their conclusion. Snopes is generally regarded as a reliable third party objective source. Edit to add-- I just don't have time to go through the actual studies to see how conclusions were drawn. There isn't enough time in the day! Last updated: 3 February 2015 Not saying it's true, but that is outdated if this is new information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted May 26, 2016 #13 Share Posted May 26, 2016 20 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: Here's where it gets tricky: Snopes.com Examined this Case It then offers a more thorough breakdown of their conclusion. Snopes is generally regarded as a reliable third party objective source. Edit to add-- I just don't have time to go through the actual studies to see how conclusions were drawn. There isn't enough time in the day! The snopes article you linked to only (unless i missed it somehow) discussed one study which showed a 300+% increase in autism in african american males and a supposed cover up of that stat. It didnt seem to be talking or showing proof of anything big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 26, 2016 #14 Share Posted May 26, 2016 And water is responsible for 100% of the drownings that happen each year, and is a core ingredient in a number terribly dangerous things. Its not the substance that's dangerous, it's the concentration and the use age. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted May 26, 2016 #15 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Why has this thread been moved to 'Conspiracies'?!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 26, 2016 #16 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Farmer77 said: The snopes article you linked to only (unless i missed it somehow) discussed one study which showed a 300+% increase in autism in african american males and a supposed cover up of that stat. It didnt seem to be talking or showing proof of anything big picture. I love how easy it is to quote on the mobile site now. I hear what you're saying - I also wasn't sure if snopes was referencing the same expose but it does reference the same doctors and the same whistle blower (Hooker) so I assumed it to be discussing the OP's content. On a second look, the OP is about a specific chemical banned in 1999 but still used called "Thimerosal". However the Snopes article does show some of Mr. Hoover's previous tell-alls were based on half truths. The OP is hard to misrepresent, however. Using a banned, known carcinogen in vaccines and then covering it up is evil defined. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted May 26, 2016 #17 Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 hours ago, ouija ouija said: The 5mn. video in this link is very easy to understand ...... it's very clear. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Buzzkill Posted May 26, 2016 #18 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Secret vaccine courts and no liability for big pharma. Nothing to see here folks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted May 26, 2016 #19 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I know research isn't you guys first skill, but can I ask WHERE is the CDC report??? Or is this about some interview I have to watch on Youtube? If the latter, then gee, do ya think that the original article might need a bit of proper examination???? Seems rather odd, don't it, that article gave NO CITATION whatsoever. For the sheeple indeed.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted May 26, 2016 #20 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I'm digging into this as the moment, but a few things. As mentioned in the article thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in the late 90s. In the case of the big bogeyman of these claims, MMR, it was never present. And again, it has been completely removed from childhood vaccines. And it's worth noting that in the 17 years since it has been the rate of new autism spectrum diagnosis have not changed. Really it's important to understand that since the diagnosis parameters for autism were changed and improved, the actual rate of diagnosis hasn't varied much, before or after Thimerosal was removed. The amount of diagnosis have increased, but in parallel to population. There is a bit of partial truth to the article. Thimerosal is known to be a neurotoxin and carcinogen. And unlike the article claims no one has ever disputed that. But what the article about is that dose makes poison. Keep in mind, any compound is deadly when present in enough quantities. Even stuff you need to survive. But in lower amounts it can be either helpful or do nothing. While thimerosal is a form of mercury, it is of a type that doesn't bioaccumulate. In other words, it cycles out of the body quickly and doesn't stay there. Unlike say the type you get from fish which does tend to stuck around and build up. There is no "this chemical is harmful and this chemical is good and this chemical is inert." It's the amount that is important and that's what organizations like the CDC and the FDA are responsible for. This sort of fear mongering is the same as what we see from online bloggers like the Food Babe, and enough popular support can put pressure to have food or medical additives removed by companies despite what scientific evidence there is or is not for the complaint. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 26, 2016 Author #21 Share Posted May 26, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, shadowsot said: I'm digging into this as the moment, but a few things. As mentioned in the article thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in the late 90s. In the case of the big bogeyman of these claims, MMR, it was never present. And again, it has been completely removed from childhood vaccines. And it's worth noting that in the 17 years since it has been the rate of new autism spectrum diagnosis have not changed. Actually according to the article: Quote thimerosal, which was banned in 1999, but still used in over 60 vaccines Edited May 26, 2016 by OverSword 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 26, 2016 Author #22 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Thimerosal hasn't been used in vaccines for children since 2001. However, thimerosal is still used in some flu vaccines. Yearly flu vaccines are recommended for all children. If you are worried about thimerosal, you can ask for a flu vaccine without it. Source from CDC website 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted May 26, 2016 #23 Share Posted May 26, 2016 As an optional vaccine, yes. Not as a mandatory vaccine. And again, no change in rates of autism. A quick check of coverage rates shows around half of people take it. And among those will be those who either ask for a thimerosal free version or get a version of the vaccine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted May 26, 2016 #24 Share Posted May 26, 2016 David Gorski of Science Based Medicine has written a series of entries about the claims raised in the article. Yes, they are from 2914 but these claims have been cycling around the conspiracy sites for a bit as I mentioned earlier. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/brian-hooker-and-andrew-wakefield-accuse-the-cdc-of-scientific-fraud-irony-meters-everywhere-explode/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 26, 2016 Author #25 Share Posted May 26, 2016 9 minutes ago, shadowsot said: As an optional vaccine, yes. Not as a mandatory vaccine. And again, no change in rates of autism. A quick check of coverage rates shows around half of people take it. And among those will be those who either ask for a thimerosal free version or get a version of the vaccine. Do you say that because everyone knows to ask for a thimersol free vaccine? That's ridiculous. With people constantly making excuses for the CDC and big pharma, they don't even need a PR department. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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