Farmer77 Posted May 30, 2016 #26 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Yamato said: I'm not shooting at you Farmer I'm just wondering when you addressed his fans it infers that you're not one yourself. This guy is super easy to understand. Johnson is the No candidate who offers a real difference between the Yes women and the Yes men. He'd say No to whatever the new Cop Bill says, whether it's families can sue police depts for 1 million dollars if their family member is killed, or that cops can open fire on anyone they think is a threat and ask questions later. The national politics played out for a Dr. No caliber candidate? "Gary Johnson wants your child to get killed by cops!" ("Ron Paul wants your little girl to get kidnapped!"). So we support the Bill exactly as written and chide everyone who doesn't agree with it, and win all the brownie points playing partisan politics, and consequently it's also how to ensure that the state keeps getting bigger, busier and more relevant than ever. Democrats and Republicans say shiite like: "I'm so happy that Hillary/Trump took a stand on x, y, z issue and promised to change it once she's/he's President!" "Gary Johnson won't even [open the national checkbook (credit card) to] help Albuquerque? If he can't even do that, he won't help anybody!" Because the collective brainwash is that more is better and less is worse. I honestly don't know anything about him and I confess to having completely "dropped out" of the system for lack of a better term. I'm of the opinion that the system is so broke it cant be fixed via traditional means, if at all. So its not that im not a fan , im certainly not opposed to libertarian philosophies at all i just think its too little too late (certainly for 2016 and most likely for this nation in general) so I havent invested much into researching the man or his positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 30, 2016 #27 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: I honestly don't know anything about him and I confess to having completely "dropped out" of the system for lack of a better term. I'm of the opinion that the system is so broke it cant be fixed via traditional means, if at all. So its not that im not a fan , im certainly not opposed to libertarian philosophies at all i just think its too little too late (certainly for 2016 and most likely for this nation in general) so I havent invested much into researching the man or his positions. Just Say No to the system. That's the easy way now before us to stop it. If the feds raid your crops before the election you'll become more invested in who he is then, I promise you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 30, 2016 #28 Share Posted May 30, 2016 what is in common between me and Gary Jonson? none of us will win the presidency, even thou he runs and i do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 31, 2016 #29 Share Posted May 31, 2016 How low do approval ratings need to get for two major candidates for an independent candidate to win? Lower than what a billion dollars can cover up for? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 31, 2016 #30 Share Posted May 31, 2016 How low do approval ratings need to get for two major candidates for an independent candidate to win? Lower than what a billion dollars can cover up for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted May 31, 2016 #31 Share Posted May 31, 2016 One BILLION $'s!!! That the new standard bearer to convince every day average Americans to take your opinions seriously?!... Yeah me being a Libertarian seeing the only thing lefties and righties can disagree upon is a third party candidate no matter which decade or century atleast makes me feel a lil better inside... Say what you want but half of you daily living hardcore lefties and righties couldn't go 1 solid year much less a week about how bad that demon other side is lmao...This god damn forum would shut down without the amount of b**** and complaining traffic from the left or the right in about a years time... Between the Bush ruined the world,Obama's the antichrist,and now TRUMP!!! will do whatever...Do any of you ever read back posta from hell even months back on your ranting,raving,ridiculous opinions? They sound like the ravings of people in mental institutions when added up! Hell one presidency doesn't the lunacy and stupidity that precedes it 25 years before... These silly ass claims of "well i'll move to so and so" by the left and right everday citizens mean nothing to an economy.Take your silly ass everday normal paychecks and expect normal citizenship from day one in a different country and expect them to take your silly ass ideals and put them into law because "your special" Maturity is a dieing quality... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 31, 2016 #32 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Well, my work here is done. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted May 31, 2016 #33 Share Posted May 31, 2016 On 5/29/2016 at 9:33 PM, Likely Guy said: " In Saturday night’s debate, Johnson, alone among the top-five contenders, said that he would have signed the 1964 Civil Rights Act and that he thought people should be licensed to drive cars. He was loudly booed for both positions." Re: the bolded parts. Seriously? Can someone explain that to me. I know Yam said it was a starman from outer space, but this is the really ideologically pure libertarian position.. https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/highway-fatalities/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 31, 2016 #34 Share Posted May 31, 2016 49 minutes ago, Otto von Pickelhaube said: I know Yam said it was a starman from outer space, but this is the really ideologically pure libertarian position.. https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/highway-fatalities/ So instead of just being a mindless libertarian to the point of Anarchy, Gary Johnson thinks and rationally decides that he would have voted for the Civil Rights Act and that people should be licensed to drive. This makes him look way more attractive than whatever ideologically-pure libertarian cologne you're selling. Remember when you had no answer to give for any great ideas Donald Trump had to Make America Great AgainTM? Gary Johnson actually has good ideas that will make the sanctified fed gov become less world police and more mind our own business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted May 31, 2016 #35 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Sorry otto but defining a whole group or party by on interpretation by one person is like defining the entire history and beliefs of The D or R party by one of their many historically documented dunmbass quotes... I bet money if you add them up over just the last 20 years they would add up between the two biggies thousands to one lol Come on otto you can see the blatant corruption and tall tales between the giants,you know i ain't tellen a lie in saying that!And so do the reallistic partisan as they may be...They willingly vote in lesser of the liars... The castration on the American voter has been in place for a lil less than 100 years now,but they seem to love the divide and conquor from those who rule US!!! You love your right or left?Than you have just continued what you all complain about has ruined us! Your constant complaining of we's right they's wrong between the right and left of our VOTED in career politicians IS THE PROBLEM!!! Forget what great Pa or Ma voted for as bases...We live and vote for our age,our era!!! We have to live through this current era,not as a lineage through great great Pa or Ma and how they voted!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted May 31, 2016 #36 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Hmmm... I'm noting the update is a lil slow on real time and the edit feature even after 4-5 uses still isn't correcting... Minor complaints atm but still,a lil annoying haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingitsune Posted May 31, 2016 #37 Share Posted May 31, 2016 12 hours ago, Yamato said: How low do approval ratings need to get for two major candidates for an independent candidate to win? Lower than what a billion dollars can cover up for? It is rather unlikely for a pure independent to become president of the United States. Unless s/he is a very popular personality, which have some credential for politic, somehow, and probably pit against weak contenders. A more likely path would have a new party slowly place a good number of governors, congressmen and senators, before they get a chance with the Whitehouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 31, 2016 #38 Share Posted May 31, 2016 3 hours ago, Gingitsune said: It is rather unlikely for a pure independent to become president of the United States. Unless s/he is a very popular personality, which have some credential for politic, somehow, and probably pit against weak contenders. True enough. That's why I liked a Sexual Tyrannosaurus like Jesse Ventura who can shake things up. He was a good governor, which is a good resume for President. He was a Navy Seal so he's "tough" enough. Candidates Jill Stein or Gary Johnson would be exceedingly better choices than Trump or Clinton. But it's rather unlikely, like you said. So good candidates like these need a superhero action figure too, to get the howling mobs' juices and dander up. If Johnson picked Ventura for VP and Jesse came out of the gate like a shot in June throwing bombs, this election will finally get the respect it deserves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted May 31, 2016 #39 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Gary is just being used now. At least it will be Hillary's votes he takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Unicorn Posted June 1, 2016 #40 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I watched the Gary Johnson debates since I watch all candidates even if I don't support their idealogy. Johnson and Weld were Republican and turned to this party that has radical views of change. Gary had said no one elected has a magic wand to make US libertarian. He mentioned licences are taxation not needed for most things. He mentioned he was able to let barbers practice without a license. Many small business owners as well as citizens pay for licenses but he said things had to be kept safe in the process. Libertarian views have to ease into system to make it work and he and Weld are only only Libertarians with a slim chance of electability on a third ticket if they get into debate by the poles. So here they are. I must mention he said go to isidewithcom. It's a survey to see issues and what candidates you side with. I took it for fun and curiosity. It was very accurate. Yes and no and other as your answer and importance of each issue. Other was more detailed then just yes and no. I was impressed with results accuracy and it is a good tool for young people to know which candidates platforms matched best with their own views. Libertarian was next to the last and people I support at the top. It was interesting and appeared very accurate for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted June 1, 2016 #41 Share Posted June 1, 2016 White Unicorn i may be mistaken you for another poster but your points usually come off as very progrressive left... So i'm guessing the other group nearest the top compared to your own would be overly conservative right? See that is where the problem lies... Everyone keeps saying they want something different a "change" so to speak yet they keep voting for the two party sponsored clowns who smooth talk them the best before getting in office and just staying the course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Unicorn Posted June 3, 2016 #42 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Crimsonking My long political history was Indendent to Reagan Republican and I became RNC supporter and volunteer. I was Ross Perot supporter and learned a lot from campaigns and the methods of both parties. In my county mostly straight Democrats if you wanted to vote for any primary or candidate you had to be registered Democrat. My neighbor was running for Judge against a currupt person I also knew. I became a Democrat to be able to vote for him in primary. If I remained Republican I would only have two or three people to choose in primaries! If I was independent I couldn't vote in primaries. I'm really independent who wants vote in local primaries not just levies and laws. In the who I side with questions by issues and platform of remaining candidates was Sanders, Hillary, Johnson, and Trump last. Well, I don't think Sanders is acommie, he's a progressive Democratic Socialist, Hillary is going more left in views since Sanders is bucking the two party system and trying to make voting system accessible and more fair in elections. Both RNC and DNC leaders influence popular votes sometimes unfairly. It is not a rigged system to a candidate but to all candidates in either party. I don't trust Hillary but her platforms would be more aligned with mine and she's adopted some of Bernie's views. As for Trump I don't know how anyone could know his platform since he just blurts out things some which are very stupid and inconsistent. I don't want his finger near any button and foreign diplomatic relations. He's impulsive judgemental and an angry egotist. I look for a Presidential candidate as a person who is ethical and true to his and a true desire to make America better for all Americans. One who is not a person that has been breaking the laws or has been involved in political scandals. Neither Hillary or Trump are clean of ongoing scandals. RNC is in turmoil and is not the party it was. People see the never Trump side politicians now standing by him to unite party are hypocrites. All black staffers have left the RNC. Some DNC leaders are making primaries and voting and supporting Hillary the status quo Democrat. We are left with only two other candidates. Bernie has experience and always was an independent crusader for his beliefs and working in a system to try to take out the dishonest political funding methods that buys the candidates. He wants to change the system in DNC. He has no legal scandals but both DNC and RNC wants him to appear as a communist. Communists the people don't vote or they can only vote for a party in power. Think about it America, candite to win here is one of two parties, the popular one each highly disliked and not trust worth. Media will focus on Bernie as the crazy unelectible Democratic party communist and Johnson as the past Republican turned Libertarian he was chosen crazy third party. They won't focus on his views but the somewhat crazy third party he came from that booed his beliefs. We're in a mess in this general election to say the least. There's no way we got the cream of the crop in any of of parties now, if we only have Hillary,Trump or Johnson on the ballot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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