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Weitter Duckss

What Are The Lakes On Titan Made Of?

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Due to its thick atmosphere, Titan is constantly an object of interest. Details about its origin, composition, the reasons for such a thick atmosphere to exist, why is it – like Earth – primarily (98%) composed of nitrogen, is it suitable for life, what would the possible life forms look like, etc., are sought to be found by all possible means.

Articles about the existence of methane oceans on Titan (the satellite of Saturn) have been published these days on almost all portals related to cosmology after a radar research (http://phys.org/news/2016-04-cassini-explores-methane-sea-titan.html or, "..has A sea of pure methane. ... The moon has three large seas, all located in the northern polar region, that are surrounded by small lakes. So far, just one large lake has been found in Titan's southern hemisphere. " http://www.space.com/32741-one-of-titans-strange-seas-is-nearly-pure-methane.html, etc).

This is, however, hardly a news, as this is just a confirmation of earlier knowledge that there are oceans of hydrocarbons on Titan ("The possibility of hydrocarbon seas on Titan was first suggested based on Voyager 1 and 2") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)#Liquids ). Even missions with research probes were sent to the surface of this satellite (Cassini-Huygens).

Problems occur when we have a look at the database of Titan: the average temeperature on Titan is -179,5°C, with nitrogen consisting 98% of atmosphere. Basins of liquid were discovered in the northern and southern polar areas, which are much colder than average, according to the general principles of temperature arrangement on an object, due to the different influence of tidal forces on the equator and the poles of an object.

Methane changes into solid state of matter at the temperature of -182,5°C and ethane at the temperature of -182,8°C.

Liquid state of matter for nitrogen ranges from -210°C to -195,795°C.

The difference of only 3°C between the average temperature of Titan (-179,5°C) and the melting point of methane (-182,5°C) definitely eliminates the possibility of methane and ethane to be in the liquid state of matter in the polar areas of Titan. They can be there only in the solid state of matter, because the temperature in the polar area needs to be at least 20°C lower than the average temperature.

Only nitrogen can be found in the liquid state of matter inside the polar caps (its melting point ranges from -210°C to -195,795°C) and – beyond any doubt – this is pointed out by the atmosphere composition, which is 98% composed of nitrogen.

The existence of basins in the equatorial areas would be able to support the idea of liquid hydrocarbons, the indication of which is the atmosphere composition, but, it would rather be like nitrogen on Pluto, which is on the edge of melting and hardening. The evidence are firm solid parts of surface that move on the mildly melted nitrogen. These data are of the Titan atmosphere composition (Stratosphere: 98.4% nitrogen (N2), 1.4% methane (CH4), 0.2% hydrogen (H2); Lower troposphere: 95.0% N2, 4.9% CH4  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(moon)  ) and they suggest such possibility.

such possibility.

The deficiency of methane (CH4) in the atmosphere is caused by the temperatures lower than -182,5°C, which eliminate methane from the atmosphere and sediment it on the surface, while nitrogen remains the dominant element of the atmosphere.

and " Why there is not one and the same atmosphere on the objects of our system? http://www.svemir-ipaksevrti.com/Universe-and-rotation.html#atmosphere

"What is background radiation telling us? http://www.svemir-ipaksevrti.com/Universe-and-rotation.html#background-radiation

W.D.

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6 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Soooo... How you can explain VIMS data showing hydrocarbon signature, huh?

The emergence of CH4, etc. location is related to parts of the body where the temperature is higher than -183 ° C. These are not poles. Removal of CH4 from the atmosphere goes through the poles, where temperatures are lower than -183 ° C.

That there is no the removal of CH4 in the atmosphere ratio would go in benefit of methane. The density of the atmosphere resulting from temperature to allow the processes of converting the physical state of the two groups of elements, molecules of methane and ethane and nitrogen.

Methane freezes and returns to the surface. Nitrogen not have that option because freezes at -210 ° C, this temperature does not have to Titan.

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53 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

The emergence of CH4, etc. location is related to parts of the body where the temperature is higher than -183 ° C. These are not poles. Removal of CH4 from the atmosphere goes through the poles, where temperatures are lower than -183 ° C.

That there is no the removal of CH4 in the atmosphere ratio would go in benefit of methane. The density of the atmosphere resulting from temperature to allow the processes of converting the physical state of the two groups of elements, molecules of methane and ethane and nitrogen.

Methane freezes and returns to the surface. Nitrogen not have that option because freezes at -210 ° C, this temperature does not have to Titan.

Ontario Lacus is near south pole (72°S 183°W).

Anyway, once again, your drivel has little sense. Learn English, for f's sake.

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14 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Ontario Lacus je blizu južnog pola (72 ° S 183 ° W).

U svakom slučaju, još jednom, tvoja pljuvačka ima malo smisla. Učenje engleskog jezika, za ime F-a.

Polar circle is 66 ° 33`. In contrast to the "official" articles I all bodies, observe in real terms. As a rule, they do not have the right, it is not my fault. Matter is light, but they as that not interested the truth.
Sory to disasters English.
Extending the theme of our system and beyond.

Why there is not one and the same atmosphere on the objects of our system?

 

The position of an object (i.e. its location) determins which geological processes will be there. Volcanoes exist on the internal objects of the system, while the ejection of cold matter is present on the objects in the outer layer, which is significantly colder than the internal one. It is important to mention that the observation is related to the currently existing situation in the system. The current arrangement of objects, regarding their mass, location, atmosphere, etc., by no means need not have been set as it is now; the arrangement in general is a consequence of many events, occurr ing in a system during a period of time. A clear evidence to that fact have been noticed in other systems with planets (exoplanets) or where a star rotates around the other one (Sirius A and B).

The occurrence of atmosphere is directly related to different geological processes: volcanoes; ejection of cold matter; attraction of new particles of matter; activity of intensive radiation; activity of gravitational forces among two or more objects on each other; rotation of objects (when different temperatures of day and night occur); constant bombardment of other, lesser or larger objects; inclination and form of an object; the change of calendar seasons; etc. The age of an object deserves to be particularly singled out here, although it will not be discussed now.

When a formation of atmosphere on the internal objects takes place, aside from a quantity of geological processes, the following needs to be taken into consideration: "Nitrogen does not burn nor it supports combustion. It is a bit easier than air and poorly soluble in water, chemically unreactive. ... 99,8% of all carbon on Earth is found combined in minerals, mainly carbonates... Only 0,01% of carbon exists in living beings. ... After hydrogen, carbon creates more compounds than all the other elements put together" (Wikipedia)

Although CO2 is mutual for all of the three planets with atmosphere, the differences among them occur due to the distance from Sun, rotation, mass; they caused different geological processes. The proximity of Sun and the lack of rotation – notwithstanding the similar masses – created the atmosphere of Venus: CO2 96,5% and nitrogen 3,5%. The rotation of Earth, the change of calendar seasons, binary relations between Earth and Moon and colder environment (related to that of Venus) are suitable for the creation of water, which in the form of rain removes CO2 from the atmosphere in the favor of nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%). The insufficient mass of Mars (manifesting itself in the lack of geological processes of the atmosphere formation) causes the beginning of the atmosphere formation: CO2 95,97%, nitrogen 1,81%, argon 1,93%,...  67/P Churyumov – Gerasimenko comet is a transitive object, partially belonging to the internal region and partially to the outer region (perihelion: 1.2432 AU, aphelion: 5,6829 AU). Its mass is small, but it possesses rotation and different distances from Sun. There are also free particles of oxygen and nitrogen. Its composition consists mainly of carbonates and of some water, etc.

The objects in the colder, outer region are divided into gas giants and other objects.

The atmosphere of Titan consists of: Stratosphere: 98.4% nitrogen (N2) 1.4% methane (CH4),  0.2% hydrogen (H2);  Lower troposphere:  95.0% N2, 4.9% CH4 (Wikipedia). The similar, only much thinner atmosphere, exists on Pluto, too. Significant presence of methane reveals there is no water in hydrological cycle to reduce such a high level of methane in its atmosphere. The common thing for Titan and Pluto is a distinguished binary system, which accelerates geological processes. Mass and structure of an object also have an important role in increased geological processes. A larger mass is less compact and easily subject to changes, which is generally sufficient for a particular chemical element or compound to change its state of matter and produce the cold ejection of matter (ice volcano or ice geyser). The cold ejection of matter exists on Pluto, where the temperature maximum is -210°C; at this temperature nitrogen turns liquid.

On the colder places there are elements and compounds of the lower melting point (N2, CH4,…), while warmer objects, such as Venus, Mars, Earth (at certain time in the past, the atmosphere of Earth also consisted mostly of CO2), create the atmosphere from the carbon cycle (CO2, CO, carbonates, ... ). ("It lead to 'another atmosphere' being created; at the beginning it consisted of carbon-dioxide and nitrogen, with some water vapor, but practically without oxygen." Wikipedia). The common thing for all but two objects are hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and carbon, but their particular presence is different, due to the earlier stated reasons. ("The composition of Saturn's atmosphere: ≈ 96% hydrogen (H2), ≈ 3% helium (He), ≈ 0,4% methane (CH4), ≈ 0,01% ammonia (NH3), ≈ 0,01% deuterium (DH). Ice: ammonia (NH3), water vapor (H2O), ammonium hydrosulfide (NH4SH). " Wikipedia).

The active elements (hydrogen, helium, nitrogen and carbon) create an atmosphere according to the local conditions.

Some of the elements and compounds related to Titan and Pluto

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4 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

Polar circle is 66 ° 33`. [...]

Thats Earth's polar circle (with axis tilt of 23 degrees). Titan's axis tilt is ~0 degrees, plus different inclination than that of the Earth. Try again.  (OK, orbital tilt is of 27 degrees)

 

4 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

[...] In contrast to the "official" articles I all bodies, observe in real terms. [...]

 Yeah, right. And how you, for example, managed to determine Titan's polar circle, huh? By "observing in real terms" (whatever that means)?

 

4 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

[...] As a rule, they do not have the right, it is not my fault. Matter is light, but they as that not interested the truth. [...]

Errmmm... What? Heck, I'd understand you better, if you'd post in your native language (bosanski jezik, is it?)...

 

4 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

[...]
Sory to disasters English.
[...]

Don't apologize, simply learn. 

 

4 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

[...]
Extending the theme of our system and beyond.[...]

No, no, no. Don't bring another BS, before we finished with this one.

You will find following papers very informative (if you will be able to read them, and understand): K.Stephan et al, Geophys. Res. Lett. 37 (2010) L07104, K.Adams et al, Geophys. Res. Lett. 39 (2012) L04309

Download, read, and try to understand what you've read.

Edited by bmk1245
your bs completely confused me so I started with Pluto... Sorry
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5 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Thats Earth's polar circle (with axis tilt of 23 degrees). Titan's axis tilt is ~0 degrees, plus different inclination than that of the Earth. Try again.  (OK, orbital tilt is of 27 degrees)

Yeah, right. And how you, for example, managed to determine Titan's polar circle, huh? By "observing in real terms" (whatever that means)?

Errmmm... What? Heck, I'd understand you better, if you'd post in your native language (bosanski jezik, is it?)...

Don't apologize, simply learn. 

No, no, no. Don't bring another BS, before we finished with this one.

You will find following papers very informative (if you will be able to read them, and understand): K.Stephan et al, Geophys. Res. Lett. 37 (2010) L07104, K.Adams et al, Geophys. Res. Lett. 39 (2012) L04309

Download, read, and try to understand what you've read.

"Observations by the Cassini instruments revealed numerous large-scale surface features and dark Titan's polar regions"
"..where VIMS detected the specular signal, strongly suggesting it is liquid."
"Discussion of Surface Properties of Kraken Mare"
"Although the CIRS data suggest the temperature on Titan's surface in the northern polar region (~90.5 K) .."
Link 2nd
"Reflectance ratios of solid (single crystal) versus liquid CH4 were measured at temperatures from 50-100 K. etc.

Both articles are a step backward in the debate. According to the articles there is no possibility for the formation of Titan's atmosphere, nitrogen has a trace and methane is permanently frozen or on the verge of fluid (in articles outside the border).
  In the foreground put atmosphere and its emergence. The atmosphere is evidence that the articles did not give the right answer.
The temperature under Articles approximates the polar regions and the equator. This is in contrast with all other bodies for which there are data.

Language is a mixture of old Bosnian, Dalmatian and Croatian.

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12 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

Both articles are a step backward in the debate. According to the articles there is no possibility for the formation of Titan's atmosphere, nitrogen has a trace and methane is permanently frozen or on the verge of fluid (in articles outside the border).
  In the foreground put atmosphere and its emergence. The atmosphere is evidence that the articles did not give the right answer.
The temperature under Articles approximates the polar regions and the equator. This is in contrast with all other bodies for which there are data.

[...]

:blink:

Did you simply punched text into google translator? Your misunderstandings are behind comprehension. Read again.

 

12 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

[...]

Language is a mixture of old Bosnian, Dalmatian and Croatian.

Ah, OK, at least translator was in ballpark...

 

BTW, can you estimate freezing temperature of the mix of C2H6/C3H8/C4H8/HCN/C4H10/C2H2/CH3CN/CO2/C6H6?

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58 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

BTW, can you estimate freezing temperature of the mix of C2H6/C3H8/C4H8/HCN/C4H10/C2H2/CH3CN/CO2/C6H6?

I'm guessing that he has never even heard the word azeotrope.

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34 minutes ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

I'm guessing that he has never even heard the word azeotrope.

Nothing strange about it. Majority of UM folks never heard of that term (or forgot in years after school).

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4 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Did you simply punched text into google translator? Your misunderstandings are behind comprehension. Read again.

Ah, OK, at least translator was in ballpark...

BTW, can you estimate freezing temperature of the mix of C2H6/C3H8/C4H8/HCN/C4H10/C2H2/CH3CN/CO2/C6H6?

By the way, "Titan atmosphere composition (Stratosphere: 98.4% nitrogen (N2), 1.4% methane (CH4), 0.2% hydrogen (H2); Lower troposphere: 95.0% N2, 4.9% CH4".
Why deviate with the topic?
The atmosphere of a nitrogen is a clear indication of the presence of nitrogen on the surface oin the liquid state (and temperatures below -196 ° C). A smaller proportion of methane in the stratosphere is evidence that the temperature in the stratosphere border (-183 ° C and below) because there is a significant removal of methane from the atmosphere.

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3 hours ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

I'm guessing that he has never even heard the word azeotrope.

" An azeotrope or a constant boiling mixture is a mixture of two or more liquids whose proportions cannot be altered by simple distillation. " Wiki

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The main component of Titan’s atmosphere is nitrogen, like Earth’s atmosphere. At present the temperature on Titan is kept far above the condensation point of nitrogen by sunlight and by the greenhouse effect of methane vapour, so that all the nitrogen remains gaseous. But the young Sun was about 30% dimmer than it is now. With a colder sun, the methane cycle operating on Titan could probably not be sustained, and the temperature would have dropped below the condensation of nitrogen in the polar regions of the planet.

(link)

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1 hour ago, bmk1245 said:

( Poveznica )

"Present-day Titan is shrouded in a thick haze of hydrocarbons, with scattered lakes and clouds of methane."

"Several clues indicate that Titan's atmosphere has been depleted in methane during some period of its history, possibly as recently as 0.5-1 billion years ago. It could also happen in the future. Under these conditions, the atmosphere becomes only composed of nitrogen with a range of temperature and pressure allowing liquid or solid nitrogen to condense."

"At present the temperature on Titan is kept far above the condensation point of nitrogen by sunlight and by the greenhouse effect of methane vapour, so that all the nitrogen remains gaseous. But the young Sun was about 30% dimmer than it is now. With a colder sun, the methane cycle operating on Titan could probably not be sustained, and the temperature would have dropped below the condensation of nitrogen in the polar regions of the planet."

Can this hypothesis about the atmosphere of early Titan be tested? itd

The difference between them and me is obvious. Those for the problem, flee into the past, I am trying to solve the same problem in the present, on the field along existing evidence.
If escape in time replace the real situation temperature today, we have two almost identical article.

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You have to show us temperatures drop below 80 K on Titan (with links, scientific papers, preferably).

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In our experiments, we observed crystallization of co-existing liquid and vapor CH4 (Figures 1 and 3) between 87 and 94 K, confirming that Titan’s surface conditions coincide with the triple point of methane, and thus the likelihood that clouds, rain, and lakes of methane exchange with the solid surface of Titan much in the way Earth’s hydrologic cycle operates.

(K.Adams et al, Geophys. Res. Lett. 39 (2012) L04309; bolding mine)

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11 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

" An azeotrope or a constant boiling mixture is a mixture of two or more liquids whose proportions cannot be altered by simple distillation. " Wiki

I'm betting you don't actually know what an azeotrope is or why it is relevant to the comment made by bmk1245.

I'm further betting that if I explained it to you you would simply ignore it, as you have ignored all facts which disprove every single foolish post you have made.

Now don't just quote a small section of a Wikipedia article about azeotropes (it's pointless as I ACTUALLY know what an azeotrope is) go and study the effect. Find out why it is relevant to bmk1245's comment. If you do that the penny may drop and you might realise why that one concept is damaging to your case.

You seem to be under the illusion that you are some kind of scientific genius, the reality is the opposite. In post after post you just demonstrate that you cannot understand even basic, high school level, science. You repeatedly fail to understand, misrepresent or just plain ignore well understood scientific principles. You present no supporting evidence for your claims (cut and paste articles from Wikipedia, which you misrepresent because you clearly do not understand them DO NOT constitute evidence). You ignore all evidence that shows that you are wrong. You act in a way that is as far away from being scientific as it is possible to be.

When it comes to this nonsensical pseudoscientific drivel there  is only one person that will ever take Weitter Duckss seriously and that is Weitter Duckss. 

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7 hours ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

I'm betting you don't actually know what an azeotrope is or why it is relevant to the comment made by bmk1245.

I'm further betting that if I explained it to you you would simply ignore it, as you have ignored all facts which disprove every single foolish post you have made.

Now don't just quote a small section of a Wikipedia article about azeotropes (it's pointless as I ACTUALLY know what an azeotrope is) go and study the effect. Find out why it is relevant to bmk1245's comment. If you do that the penny may drop and you might realise why that one concept is damaging to your case.

You seem to be under the illusion that you are some kind of scientific genius, the reality is the opposite. In post after post you just demonstrate that you cannot understand even basic, high school level, science. You repeatedly fail to understand, misrepresent or just plain ignore well understood scientific principles. You present no supporting evidence for your claims (cut and paste articles from Wikipedia, which you misrepresent because you clearly do not understand them DO NOT constitute evidence). You ignore all evidence that shows that you are wrong. You act in a way that is as far away from being scientific as it is possible to be.

When it comes to this nonsensical pseudoscientific drivel there  is only one person that will ever take Weitter Duckss seriously and that is Weitter Duckss. 

Exactly the opposite. I gave up a conversation about the hypothetical possibility, I went on exactly what should be, I offer evidence that the chemical composition of the atmosphere does not go in favor of to this hypothesis.
Provide evidence that we discuss about them. And I have set of ideas that have no basis in evidence, though are logical.
You know I do not run from any kind, discussion. My goal is to to reach the confirmation or negation of conclusions based on multiple of thinking. It does not matter whether are of thinking correct or not. To truth comes very often on the basis of wrong thinking.
I'm glad that you in discussion and I realized the value of azeotropes with another discussion on Enceladus, but there must be evidence which it is confirmed.
I am sure that on Titan and elsewhere there are no alcoholic distillery.

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You wouldn't recognise evidence if it hit you in the face.

The readings from Cassini directly measuring the composition of the  lakes on Titan is not only evidence it is irrefutable evidence.

A list of boiling points of various INDIVIDUAL compounds at EARTH pressure is evidence only of your total lack of understanding of what you are talking about. 

Once again I must conclude that you are unwilling or unable to learn. Once more it seems that your that no intelligent debate is possible with you.

I shall leave you alone to continue your very successful endeavour in making a fool of yourself. 

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„The "sand" on Titan is likely not made up of small grains of silicates like the sand on Earth, but rather might have formed when liquid methane rained and eroded the water-ice bedrock, possibly in the form of flash floods. Alternatively, the sand could also have come from organic solids produced by photochemical reactions in Titan's atmosphere.Studies of dunes' composition in May 2008 revealed that they possessed less water than the rest of Titan, and are thus most likely derived from organic soot like hydrocarbon polymers clumping together after raining onto the

surface. Calculations indicate the sand on Titan has a density of one-third that of terrestrial sand.

 

.. Cassini–Huygens has proved a very successful mission. The Cassini probe flew by Titan on October 26, 2004, and took the highest-resolution images ever of Titan's surface, at only 1,200 kilometres (750 mi), discerning patches of light and dark that would be invisible to the human eye. Huygens landed on Titan on January 14, 2005, discovering that many of its surface features seem to have been formed by fluids at some point in the past

 

 Liquid has been found in abundance on the surface in the north polar region, in the form of many lakes and seas discovered by Cassini.

Which evidence do you speak? Meet the public with evidence.

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1. Spectroscopic data indicate hydrocarbon lakes.

2. Atmospheric conditions (temperature/pressure) not in favor of liquid nitrogen.

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6 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

1. Spectroscopic data indicate hydrocarbon lakes.

2. Atmospheric conditions (temperature/pressure) not in favor of liquid nitrogen.

Recording is conducted with radar, no spectroscopy.
Contrary to the assertion temperatures go, in favor of liquid nitrogen. As evidence, take the temperature on Earth the moons before and after the Titans (Rhea 53 - 99K, Enceladus 32.9 to 145 ° C, etc.) as well, and all other bodies for which there are measurements.
To erroneous conclusions it came due to misinterpretation of the effects greenhouse warming.
Until recently, science is claimed that Titan is covered with seas of hydrocarbons. By lowering the the probe discovered is desert.
Yet there must be sources of methane, just need to find them.

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Right...

1. VIMS - Visual and Infrared Mapping Spectrometer.

Spectra (Lake Ligeia):

Lake_Ligeia_Fig3a_zpsimbafwj0.png

(Fig.3a; Spectra of the lake Ligeia (red line) and solid surface area (blue line); C.Sotin et al, Icarus 221 (2012) 768)

2. Temperatures

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Temperatures mapped from pole to pole during five two-year periods show a marked seasonal dependence. The surface temperature near the south pole over this time decreased by 2 K from 91.7 ± 0.3 to 89.7 ± 0.5 K while at the north pole the temperature increased by 1 K from 90.7 ± 0.5 to 91.5 ± 0.2 K. The latitude of maximum temperature moved from 19 S to 16 N, tracking the sub-solar latitude. As the latitude changed, the maximum temperature remained constant at 93.65 ± 0.15 K.

(D.Jennings et al, Astrophys. J. Lett. 816:L17 (2016))

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Offered article (and accompanying articles) offer a good response (not complete) the process of CH4 or 4.9% Lower troposphere and 1.4% Stratosphere. It and do not disputing in the article. Condensing, CH4 is similar, the formation is far excludedbecause there are no the temperature, the gaseous state CH4 (-161.49 ° C).
The novelty is (for me) much smaller temperature range that further complicates the matter.
I did not (in the articles) found a hint of the response of the remaining 95-98% of the residual atmosphere.
Also I have not found information about possible chemical composition of the lake, in fact only further suspicion: the lake or something else.
An additional problem is completely negligible value of other molecules.
Now that you aggravated thing you offer someone else up their sleeve.
 

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On 6/5/2016 at 0:05 AM, Weitter Duckss said:

Offered article (and accompanying articles) offer a good response (not complete) the process of CH4 or 4.9% Lower troposphere and 1.4% Stratosphere. It and do not disputing in the article. Condensing, CH4 is similar, the formation is far excludedbecause there are no the temperature, the gaseous state CH4 (-161.49 ° C).
The novelty is (for me) much smaller temperature range that further complicates the matter.
I did not (in the articles) found a hint of the response of the remaining 95-98% of the residual atmosphere.
Also I have not found information about possible chemical composition of the lake, in fact only further suspicion: the lake or something else.
An additional problem is completely negligible value of other molecules.
Now that you aggravated thing you offer someone else up their sleeve.
 

As usually, word salad, hard to decipher, I only got sentence about lake composition: from observations and models, main constituents of lakes/seas are ethane, methane, propane, and rest are hydrogen cyanide, acetylene, nitrogen, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, benzene, hydrogen, acetonitrile, and other constituents.

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6 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

As usually, word salad, hard to decipher, I only got sentence about lake composition: from observations and models, main constituents of lakes/seas are ethane, methane, propane, and rest are hydrogen cyanide, acetylene, nitrogen, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, benzene, hydrogen, acetonitrile, and other constituents.

For the composition of the lake there is no evidence, only speculation. On the radar is seen only a pale surface smooth surface.
The chemical composition of the atmosphere does not give you the right. Except methane and nitrogen everything else is ~ 1 per mill.
The articles clearly states that there are methane emissions = there are temperatures above -160 ° C.
If another molecule leading to evaporation of methane, then the atmosphere must have a greater% of these molecules of methane but does them except in fiction that confirms the hypothesis.
If there is a temperature for evaporating methane (-160 ° C) then, there is no legitimate reason that the temperature of the evaporator and the liquid nitrogen (-198 ° C).
Already seen thing, measuring hydrocarbons are seen throughout the Titan probe denied this and found the desert.

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