XenoFish Posted November 19, 2016 #251 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Your point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted November 19, 2016 #252 Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, XenoFish said: andYour point? Which part ? ... just showing how the 'third eye' pineal gland regions that has been singled out as practically the god/spirit link for untold thousands of years, is a functional interactive and well connected part of the human psycho/bio system. That science can back up much of this.. but is still open to the why's wherefores' , therefore' , then perhaps...... lots of hints to it being behind the placebo healing effects, and as what can only be hinted at synesthesiatic activator or at least a key player in many of our experiential realities senses.. and extra senses.. that there are ways to strengthen.. increase the activity of the pineal.. hence??? increasing the activity of the senses.. increasing the functionality of all the connected links.. Edited November 19, 2016 by crystal sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 19, 2016 #253 Share Posted November 19, 2016 And yet there is no magic or psychic power to it, just science. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted November 19, 2016 #254 Share Posted November 19, 2016 That us because the supposed link between the third eye ( " a mystical and esoteric concept referring to a speculative invisible eye " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye ) and the pineal gland ( a biological system that is eaxlpained by science ) was invented by the Theosophical society; initially by Blavatski in 'The Secret Doctrine' and later by Leadbeater . All the rest after that is New Age speculation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 19, 2016 #255 Share Posted November 19, 2016 A part of the brain is not a psychic center. A psychic center (like the chakra's) are a mental construct. They have no location and the only purpose they serve is whatever designation they are given. If you are creative enough you can create your own 'energy model'. Though I do agree that creative visualization (especially sports related) does work the same neurons that are involved in the actions taken. They are not as effective as actual effort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted November 19, 2016 #256 Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) 51 minutes ago, XenoFish said: And yet there is no magic or psychic power to it, just science. Magic's just science that we don't understand yet.” ― Arthur C. Clarke “But remember. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it isn't real.” ― Katherine Howe, Edited November 19, 2016 by crystal sage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted November 19, 2016 #257 Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) “Magic is really only the utilization of the entire spectrum of the senses. Humans have cut themselves off from their senses. Now they see only a tiny portion of the visible spectrum, hear only the loudest of sounds, their sense of smell is shockingly poor and they can only distinguish the sweetest and sourest of tastes.” ― Michael Scott, The Alchemyst You could just switch the Magic... as it seems to others.. to Psychic... all it is .. is simply expanded senses.. the instinct of the connectedness of all... ( we normally sense this connectedness via empathy... intuition.. gut feelings... how many of you have known instinctively that someone is near.. or that someone is looking at them.. or seeking them..? ( you feel this pull or mentally see their faces.. or inexplicably think of them.. maybe even hear them in you mind that you automatically attribute to a remembered exchange ? or about to phone them.. when they ring you or turn up at your doorstep or you randomly run into them somewhere unexpected.. ? ) These are signals.. energies you are receiving.. or sending... how else can you sense or experience these things.. .. ? Don't forget the emotions others evoke from you, in you .. or what others sense from you... If you can receive these perceptual signals.. you know you are or must be sending them somehow !!! Psychic development.. or psychic abilities are just about having stronger versions of these experiences.. or being able to actually control them.. or have stronger signals.. eg.. effecting electrics... You can not further work on something that you are not aware of.. so maybe try and think of these experiences in a new way... energy fields.. vibrations... connected senses.. ( we know scientifically the neurons fire electricity when the brain is active.. some signals are stronger than others.. ( often when strong emotions are involved..) Then there are all the biochemical signals that we emit... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220715976_External_electric_field_effect_on_the_PR_neuronal_firing_under_the_ephaptic_transmission Edited November 19, 2016 by crystal sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted November 20, 2016 #258 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Quote Biochemical signaling... Sympathetic innervation This type of innervation has been clearly defined both morphologically and functionally. The fibres originate in the superior cervical ganglia (SCG) of the sympathetic trunk, continue in the internal carotid nerve and enter the pineal gland as nervi conari (Zigmaond et al 1981, Bowers et al 1984). Their importance for the regulation fo melatonin synthesis has been demonstrated by biochemical studies after sympathectomy or electrical stimulation of the SCG, the latter leading to an approximately 50 fold increase of serotonin N-acetyltransferase (NAT) activity (Bowers & Zigmond 1980,1982). A study of rat pinealocytes after electrical stimulation of the SCG by Beuss in 1985 reviewed that some pinealocytes did not appear to be influenced by SCG stimulation, a second group responded with enhanced electrical activity and in a third group electrical activity was depressed. In view of the continuing controversy about whether NAT of hydroxyindole O-methyltransferase (HIOMT) is the rate limiting enzyme for melatonin synthesis, and the lack of a clear-cut day / night rhythm of HIOMT, in contrast to NAT, it is relevant to recall that as early as 1972 it was reported that preganglionic electrical stimulation of sympathetic nerves resulted in an increase of pineal NAT activity but a decrease of HIOMT activity. Central innervation Nerve fibres reach the pineal gland via habenular and posterior commissures and now with modern neurobiological techniques available, it becomes apparent that these fibres are of functional importance. Lesion and horseradish-peroxidase studies have revealed that central pinealopetal nerves fibres originate in diverse brain regions including the habenular, paraventricular and suprachiasmatic nuclei as well as the preoptic area, amygdala, olfactory centres, lateral geniculate bodies and the sites of origin of the stria medullaris. The central fibres contain a variety of peptides such as oxytocin, vasopressin, luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone, vasoactive intestinal polypeptide. The fibres are unevenly distributed in the pineal gland, some lying in the periphery and others in the centre. http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/local/projects/s_thipayang/bio.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 20, 2016 #259 Share Posted November 20, 2016 The magical and the metaphysical do not exist. Psychic abilities do not exist. Ghost, angels, demons, and god's do not exist. Life is a sterile event where people want to make more of it than there is. Outside our basic instincts everything else is filler used to keep the existential dread away. My days of faith in the occult are over. It was a long lasting delusion that I will not succumb to again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted November 20, 2016 #260 Share Posted November 20, 2016 On 10/4/2016 at 9:02 AM, crystal sage said: They are just jealous that they can see more.. or simply have not yet experienced these things.. it is OK to be skeptic.. but not to minimize others just because they have or can experience more than them.. ( I have always been able to see more.. spirits.. strange lights.. etc) I spent a couple of decades trying to understand this.. I even started a thread on my take on a scientific reason for this.. ) I have serious astigmatism.. when I am tired I see double.. when I blink hard and open my eyes I see double.. and my brain automatically adjusts my vision.. I notice I 'see' more when I am tired.. that is probably because my focus is slightly off kilter.. or overadjusting.. hence being able to 'see' what we already agree pets can see. Pets are more sensitive to spirit energy.. can see and are affected by them emotionally.. they also hear more... which alerts their focus.. It may explain why people on psychedilics or other similar drugs seem to hallucinate.. notice how their focus is out.. they lose control of focus on this reality and see what they normally don't see. Notice also reading of people on their death beds.. how they suddenly see long lost relatives ready to greet them on their next journey.. their focus too is changing when they are near death.. or when you wake up from dreams.. and you still catch glimpses of other worldly stuff until you become more alert and go back to your normal sensory vision.. Remember as children grow up they are in ways taught what to see .. by the words .. meanings they learn from their parents.. what to recognize as real and not real.. many children in preschool draw rainbows around subjects .. they see these lights that we know as auras.. until they are taught not to.. they have their invisible friends.. hear things out of our hearing range.. sense things out of our sensory range.. we tell them what is real.. and what is in their 'imagination' !!! Skepticism is the wisdom to refrain from belief of odd or unusual or unexpected things until there is good evidence, not just some evidence but enough to overcome reasonable doubt. Testimony is not valid. People testify to all sorts of things, and if we believed all of it we would be a mess. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted November 20, 2016 #261 Share Posted November 20, 2016 26 minutes ago, XenoFish said: The magical and the metaphysical do not exist. Psychic abilities do not exist. Ghost, angels, demons, and god's do not exist. Life is a sterile event where people want to make more of it than there is. Outside our basic instincts everything else is filler used to keep the existential dread away. My days of faith in the occult are over. It was a long lasting delusion that I will not succumb to again. You are probably right, I suppose, at least for the specific things you mention, but that does not mean life is sterile. Also, never having "believed" any of these things anyway, I don't think they are needed to keep "the existential dread" away -- I keep it away well enough without them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted November 20, 2016 #262 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Most strange. I don't remember posting the post before my last post, although it seems things I certainly would say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted November 20, 2016 #263 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, XenoFish said: The magical and the metaphysical do not exist. Psychic abilities do not exist. Ghost, angels, demons, and god's do not exist. Life is a sterile event where people want to make more of it than there is. Outside our basic instincts everything else is filler used to keep the existential dread away. My days of faith in the occult are over. It was a long lasting delusion that I will not succumb to again. sad for you... but I can not say this doesn't exist as I lived in the most haunted house for 2 years... where all the kids toys would go off randomly in a way that had meaning.. even when they weren't set up to speak those recorded messages.. talking dolls would speak.. music boxes would play.. the Fischer Price educational toys would speak.. even when the batteries were removed.. things would move in front of our eyes.. alarms would go on , electrical appliances would go on or off by themselves.. certain books would suddenly fall of the laden bookshelves... and they just happen to be the ones we were looking for.. or would have the answer to what we were discussing at the moment.. Faxes would come through during a black out when we had no electricity in the whole house or the whole area... and even when I hadn't replaced the ink tape.. when I marveled at it .. and questioned how come this fax came through and not the one my brother said he sent a week earlier.. suddenly the fax started again/.. ( mind you we had a black out.. were forced to use candles as there was no electricity at that time) .. and lo and behold that very fax I questioned about suddenly came through... Some times the toys would go off especially just to frighten visitors.. ( it was almost like scenes from the Toy Story) not just once.. but several times .. until they ran off in fright... I hear the house is still haunted.. with people selling it just years after purchase.. as they too were experiencing the same... Like I said.. psychic abilities are just simply enhanced senses.. nothing weird about this.. but wonderful... I can not say that any of what you feel is delusionary is a not real.. that would be a lie.. as I have experienced many of these things.. so too have some of the people around me.. ( I have had witnesses for most of my experiences.. ) Quote Magic's just science that we don't understand yet.” ― Arthur C. Clarke “But remember. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it isn't real.” ― Katherine Howe, Edited November 20, 2016 by crystal sage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted November 20, 2016 #264 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) Duplicate. The bugs haven't been worked out of the "quote" function yet as these keep happening. Edited November 20, 2016 by Frank Merton Duplicate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted November 20, 2016 #265 Share Posted November 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, crystal sage said: sad for you... but I can not say this doesn't exist as I lived in the most haunted house for 2 years... where all the kids toys would go off randomly in a way that had meaning.. even when they weren't set up to speak those recorded messages.. talking dolls would speak.. music boxes would play.. the Fischer Price educational toys would speak.. even when the batteries were removed.. things would move in front of our eyes.. alarms would go on , electrical appliances would go on or off by themselves.. certain books would suddenly fall of the laden bookshelves... and they just happen to be the ones we were looking for.. or would have the answer to what we were discussing at the moment.. Faxes would come through during a black out when we had no electricity in the whole house or the whole area... and even when I hadn't replaced the ink tape.. when I marveled at it .. and questioned how come this fax came through and not the one my brother said he sent a week earlier.. suddenly the fax started again/.. ( mind you we had a black out.. were forced to use candles as there was no electricity at that time) .. and lo and behold that very fax I questioned about suddenly came through... Some times the toys would go off especially just to frighten visitors.. ( it was almost like scenes from the Toy Story) not just once.. but several times .. until they ran off in fright... I hear the house is still haunted.. with people selling it just years after purchase.. as they too were experiencing the same... Like I said.. psychic abilities are just simply enhanced senses.. nothing weird about this.. but wonderful... I can not say that any of what you feel is delusionary is a not real.. that would be a lie.. as I have experienced many of these things.. so too have some of the people around me.. ( I have had witnesses for most of my experiences.. ) I think the mistake you make is maybe giving too much credit to the unknown. The unknown is unknown, and remains so until someone finds sufficient evidence for it. Testimony is not and never can be good evidence. Indeed, in my experience, it is usually misleading and often outright false. Still, that is all you cite. Again, psychic abilities, if they exist, would be enhanced senses, but so would the ability to see infrared. At least we know infrared exists and can build devices to let us see it, so it has greater credibility. You need evidence and mechanism, not just possibility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted November 20, 2016 #266 Share Posted November 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Frank Merton said: Skepticism is the wisdom to refrain from belief of odd or unusual or unexpected things until there is good evidence, not just some evidence but enough to overcome reasonable doubt. Testimony is not valid. People testify to all sorts of things, and if we believed all of it we would be a mess. There is healthy skepticism and there is a debilitating skepticism.. where you are so comfortable sitting on the fence.. or on a safe chair with the crowd of fellow skeptics that you either hinder creativity... hinder your own growth of awareness or possibilities... that it is really your loss. I keep thinking the worst of the historical skeptics were those of the inquisition or those followers of the accepted norm that culled or damned anyone that strayed or ventured from the herd of general accepted reality. Back then , curiosity did kill the cat... but now... (Schrodinger has more or less hinted that curiosity may or may not kill but I gather the longer you keep that cat in the box without bothering to check it out.. the greater the chance is that maybe you have lost your opportunity... ) ... In a way.. from the technological leaps we are living with... this curiosity is being accepted as a progressive part of our creative futures.. our evolution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted November 20, 2016 #267 Share Posted November 20, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Frank Merton said: I think the mistake you make is maybe giving too much credit to the unknown. The unknown is unknown, and remains so until someone finds sufficient evidence for it. Testimony is not and never can be good evidence. Indeed, in my experience, it is usually misleading and often outright false. Still, that is all you cite. Again, psychic abilities, if they exist, would be enhanced senses, but so would the ability to see infrared. At least we know infrared exists and can build devices to let us see it, so it has greater credibility. You need evidence and mechanism, not just possibility. for me 'the unknown' is an invitation to explore.. were you just citing that my shared experiences that went on for years and was witnessed by many people is false?? Misleading... ???? Or is it just that it seems false to you as you haven't experienced anything like this? There must be many things in this world that you haven't experienced or seen .. or felt.. ( I won't add 'sensed' to this as it would be your personal reality that you are debating as to how much credence you would give it perhaps ?? ) ... So how do you weigh.. measure.. judge what is true... how much evidence is enough? or whether each and everything you have accepted as truth/ real has valid physical evidence to back it up ? Whose testimonies would you believe? I know that the modern influences of movies.. films.. books.. social media.. media... can influence accepted reality... I have been seeing more and more whacky shows that make you re evaluate your reality.. eg. the well known Matrix series.. the Black Mirror series.. the Westworld... Groundhog... Sliders... so many shows make you rethink coincidences.. make you want to understand.. or wonder if there is more to our reality? Are the ancient legends true of us being bit players in the game of life.. and the gods and angels are playing us like pieces on the chess boards.. Or that our reality is really a giant Big Brother show for other worldly beings?? ( our technology already can turn our lives into a Big Brother show for probably some select few as our every move and purchase and technological exchange can be monitored these days ) . We can control all our technology.. our lights.. or coffee machines.. order food to be delivered.. control the temperature in the house.. see who is in our houses.. control or monitor our cars from our mobile phones/ tablets/ televisions/ computers/ watches... half way across the world these days.. It makes you wonder all the more ... Edited November 20, 2016 by crystal sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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