aztek Posted June 30, 2016 #126 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said: And Australia and the UK have had a lot of success with stricter laws. there is very little in common between us, and the two you mentioned. you never had problems we do. actually if you look at mass murders in Australia, you'll see the ban has not affected them at all. nor has it affected crime rate in a positive way. Edited June 30, 2016 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted June 30, 2016 #127 Share Posted June 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, OverSword said: Here is a list of democraps that were participated in the sit in that own guns I"m not sure of the relevance; they didn't engage in this showy sit-in because they want guns outright banned. I would think you're providing that list implying they are being hypocritical, but they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted June 30, 2016 #128 Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, aztek said: there is very little in common between us, and the two you mentioned. you never had problems we do. But there's a lot in common between Vermont and Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted June 30, 2016 Author #129 Share Posted June 30, 2016 In any case, back to the subject of the thread: Quote House to vote on measure to keep guns from terrorists: source U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan told Republican lawmakers on a conference call that the House will vote next week on a measure intended to keep guns out of the hands of people on terrorism watch lists, according to a knowledgeable source. House Republican leadership refused to provide details of the legislation, which Ryan said would be part of a larger terrorism package. A Democratic aide speculated that the measure could be a House version of a Senate Republican measure backed by the National Rifle Association. But the aide, a spokeswoman for House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, said Democrats had not been briefed on Ryan's plans. Read more on Reuters I wonder if that has something to do with this: Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 30, 2016 #130 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said: But there's a lot in common between Vermont and Chicago? a lot more in common than between usa and uk alnog with australia. but one thing is very different between Vermont and Chicago, demographics. it seems like no permit, free carry, did not affect vermont lowest crime rate in usa. btw you are correct about 95 being too high, my bad, the real number is 80%. http://usconservatives.about.com/od/capitalpunishment/a/Putting-Gun-Death-Statistics-In-Perspective.htm if you look at gun dearth and brake them up by causes we are not bad actually, out of 30k more than half suicides, about 1% from the rest are accidents, 80% of the rest is gang on gang violence, what is left is no more than in any other so called developed country, yes we have mass shooting more often, but in most cases people that did it, had no prior crime records, so no strict laws would stop them from getting a gun, legally. Edited June 30, 2016 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 30, 2016 #131 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) US Anti-Gun Senator Jamilah Nasheed arrested with a loaded gun, extra clips, and drunk in Ferguson. Guess who got arrested Monday night after she refused to get up off the ground out in the middle of the road in front of the Ferguson Police Department? And not only arrested, but arrested while her breath reportedly reeked of alcohol and she just so happened to be carrying a fully loaded 9mm with extra ammo? Why none other than Anti-gun Missouri Senator Jamilah Nasheed (D-St. Louis), who has herself sponsored multiple gun control bills. http://endingthefed.com/us-anti-gun-senator-jamilah-nasheed-arrested-with-a-loaded-gun-extra-clips-and-drunk-in-ferguson.html Edited June 30, 2016 by aztek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 #132 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I'm freaked out by these people. from the article . So the Senator’s message to Ferguson protesters on how to protest “peacefully” involves what police describe as “intoxicants,” carrying a loaded gun, and kneeling in front of traffic in the middle of a busy street and refusing to move? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 30, 2016 #133 Share Posted June 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: I don't think we are talking about the same thing but I won't attempt to compare and contrast it yet again with 'abridged'. You've just provided the answer to your question to me: yes, 'shall not be infringed' means it can be infringed, because 'due process is the legal means by which liberty is infringed'. Duh, that's why the due process clause ends with the phrase "...without due process of law." Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted June 30, 2016 #134 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Gunman Opens Fire Into Crowd at Another Nightclub — This Might Be Why the Incident Isn’t Leading the News http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/30/gunman-opens-fire-into-crowd-at-another-nightclub-this-might-be-why-the-incident-isnt-leading-the-news/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 30, 2016 #135 Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) due process has nothing to do with liberty, it has everything to do with courts and how people are punished\found guilty. actually modern concept of civil forfeiture, is direct opposite from due process. Edited June 30, 2016 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 30, 2016 #136 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Some of the Dems that participated in the sit in are now being investigated for ethics violations - they used photos and other materials from the Senate floor to campaign and raise money with - expressly forbidden. Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted July 1, 2016 #137 Share Posted July 1, 2016 6 hours ago, Harte said: Duh, that's why the due process clause ends with the phrase "...without due process of law." Great, agreed, we've come full circle. I'm not sure what the purpose of your question about 'what does infringing mean to you, that it can be infringed?' was, since you agree the answer is a 'duh' one. I think we got our wires crossed though; if you are talking solely about preventing people on the no-fly list from buying guns then I agree that sounds like an issue because there's I don't believe there is a reasonable way to challenge the placement of a name on the no-fly lis, it sounds like their current 2nd amendment rights are being infringed without due process of law. But that doesn't necessarily apply to all or most increased restrictions that are proposed on gun ownership; we seem to agree that we have certain additional restrictions on other arms that we deem more dangerous that do not infringe these rights nor due process. Thanks for the convo, if nothing else I learned something about uranium I didn't know. Hilarious photo of Harte Mark III also, always good to see fun happiness in its purest form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 1, 2016 #138 Share Posted July 1, 2016 18 hours ago, Sweetpumper said: Gunman Opens Fire Into Crowd at Another Nightclub — This Might Be Why the Incident Isn’t Leading the News http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/30/gunman-opens-fire-into-crowd-at-another-nightclub-this-might-be-why-the-incident-isnt-leading-the-news/ Oh... A black fella? He probably had a perfectly good reason... Let's just not talk about it..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted July 1, 2016 #139 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Once again the anti gun folks are causing gun sales to soar. Personally I just bought 2 AR-15's. A Mossberg and a Smith & Wessen. I bought the .22 version because ammo is cheap. I won't shoot them much, but I didn't have one and it is certainly a good investment. I bought them both new for $600. I've already been offered $400 for one of them. I won't sell though. If I thought zero turn mowers would be restricted or outlawed, I would probably buy one of those too. Even though I have one. It's a supply and demand thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted July 2, 2016 #140 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) On 7/1/2016 at 8:23 AM, Myles said: Once again the anti gun folks are causing gun sales to soar. Personally I just bought 2 AR-15's. A Mossberg and a Smith & Wessen. I bought the .22 version because ammo is cheap. I won't shoot them much, but I didn't have one and it is certainly a good investment. I bought them both new for $600. I've already been offered $400 for one of them. I won't sell though. If I thought zero turn mowers would be restricted or outlawed, I would probably buy one of those too. Even though I have one. It's a supply and demand thing. I finally purchased by first AR-15 last weekend. Felt that it was something I should have done quite a long time ago. Panther Arms DPMS Oracle. Nice piece of gear, though I didn't get the kind of deal on it that you did with yours. I actually felt and continue to feel extremely proud that I did it, feeling very American that I was able to exercise a right that we have here, and express the freedom that I enjoy. I'm usually all about older weapons (Civil War and Western types), but this was a good idea and I am thankful that I finally did it. Edited July 2, 2016 by Thorvir Hrothgaard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppi Posted July 3, 2016 #141 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Zip guns http://acidcow.com/pics/47278-homemade-weapons-38-pics.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted July 4, 2016 #142 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) On Saturday, July 02, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Thorvir Hrothgaard said: I finally purchased by first AR-15 last weekend. Felt that it was something I should have done quite a long time ago. Panther Arms DPMS Oracle. Nice piece of gear, though I didn't get the kind of deal on it that you did with yours. I actually felt and continue to feel extremely proud that I did it, feeling very American that I was able to exercise a right that we have here, and express the freedom that I enjoy. I'm usually all about older weapons (Civil War and Western types), but this was a good idea and I am thankful that I finally did it. Whoa, you didn't have an AR before? I'm not huge on them, only own two myself, but it's an amazingly modular platform. I'm partial to military surplus Mosins and M1s, but there's no disputing an ARs merits. As for right now, I'm heavily researching and considering a short barrel (9") build chambered in 300 Blackout, fully suppressed. All you hear is brass hitting the pavement. Sure, buying a suppressor is pretty much a sure fire way to land me on some kind of watch list, but I'm at the point now where I really don't give a damn anymore. DPMS makes fairly decent stuff, enjoy! Edited July 4, 2016 by Not Your Huckleberry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted July 4, 2016 #143 Share Posted July 4, 2016 4 hours ago, Not Your Huckleberry said: Whoa, you didn't have an AR before? I'm not huge on them, only own two myself, but it's an amazingly modular platform. I'm partial to military surplus Mosins and M1s, but there's no disputing an ARs merits. As for right now, I'm heavily researching and considering a short barrel (9") build chambered in 300 Blackout, fully suppressed. All you hear is brass hitting the pavement. Sure, buying a suppressor is pretty much a sure fire way to land me on some kind of watch list, but I'm at the point now where I really don't give a damn anymore. DPMS makes fairly decent stuff, enjoy! I had never gotten around to getting one until now. I am more interested in wood and steel weapons, old milsurp stuff and reproductions of western and civil war firearms. I just figured I had waited long enough. I plan on getting a conversion kit to fire .22lr,, and then a different upper receive and barrel so I can switch out to fire 300 Blackout--I don't necessarily need it surpressed though. I love how modular the weapon is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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