seeder Posted June 23, 2016 #1 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Quote Beam me up Chekov! Russia wants to make Star Trek-style teleportation a reality within 20 years The federal government could develop the sci-fi technology by 2035 Project is listed under a 2.1 trillion (£1.4 tn) roadmap for new technologies Russia aims to use the project as a launch pad to develop high-tech solutions to drive its economy in the next 20 years Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3655882/Beam-Chekov-Russia-aims-make-teleportation-reality-20-years.html#ixzz4COWxfltp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taun Posted June 23, 2016 #2 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I sure would not want to be the first person to try that!.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted June 23, 2016 #3 Share Posted June 23, 2016 46 minutes ago, Taun said: I sure would not want to be the first person to try that!.... After some shots of vodka, and please ignore the duct tape holding everything together. What? You don't trust duct tape? It's helps us get into to orbit all of the time! It keeps our Migs flying! Capitalist pig, just step into the booth... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taun Posted June 23, 2016 #4 Share Posted June 23, 2016 24 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said: After some shots of vodka, and please ignore the duct tape holding everything together. What? You don't trust duct tape? It's helps us get into to orbit all of the time! It keeps our Migs flying! Capitalist pig, just step into the booth... Is important to remember... Duct Tape first inwented in Russia, back in 1872, by leetle old lady in Smolyensk, who work in traktor factory... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted June 23, 2016 Author #5 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Taun said: I sure would not want to be the first person to try that!.... As with a lot of things, it will be tested on anything BUT humans to start with..... maybe just living cells, like plants - and then animals... If it becomes real....its a total game changer.. a total WOW.... . Edited June 23, 2016 by seeder 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taun Posted June 23, 2016 #6 Share Posted June 23, 2016 1 hour ago, seeder said: As with a lot of things, it will be tested on anything BUT humans to start with..... maybe just living cells, like plants - and then animals... If it becomes real....its a total game changer.. a total WOW.... . Undoubtedly true... BUT (of course there is a but)... What if a person comes out physically the same... but with no "mind" - or altered into who knows what...?... There will always be some manner of risk with tech like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark-DK Posted June 23, 2016 #7 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Let Mr Putin be the first one, and send his molycules i n 3 different directions....plz... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth_Goat Posted June 23, 2016 #8 Share Posted June 23, 2016 4 hours ago, Taun said: I sure would not want to be the first person to try that!.... 3 hours ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said: After some shots of vodka, and please ignore the duct tape holding everything together. What? You don't trust duct tape? It's helps us get into to orbit all of the time! It keeps our Migs flying! Capitalist pig, just step into the booth... 2 hours ago, seeder said: As with a lot of things, it will be tested on anything BUT humans to start with..... maybe just living cells, like plants - and then animals... If it becomes real....its a total game changer.. a total WOW.... . Meanwhile, a prominent Russian scientist convinced our trio of heroes that they will be embarking on a scientific discovery that will change the future of mankind forever...after much contemplating and after many discussions with their fellow colleagues....the trio set fourth to make history...only to never be heard from again...but wait, what is that in the distance!?!... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundew Posted June 23, 2016 #9 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Aside from the few atoms and/or photons they have managed to transport to date, this is probably largely theoretical. One discussion of teleportation suggested that the original item (rock, book, human) to be copied is destroyed in the process and what is recreated is a copy of sorts. As someone mentioned, would a human thus teleported have a blank mind? The cells, neurons and synapses might all be there in proper working order, but not the memories, the emotions and so forth. It would be like copying hardware with no software. Those qualities are intangible and unless there is some kind of "quantum entanglement" between the brains of the old and new copies the process would be useless for humans. Probable you would have to send a well trained dog or chimpanzee through and see if it still understood commands, or carried out tasks previously known to it. If not I don't think there will be many human volunteers, except for those who what their past totally erased and a new start. Of course there is always what happen to Jeff Goldblum, buzz, buzz...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 23, 2016 #10 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I'm calling bullsheet. Nothing has ever been "teleported." Uncontrollably random information has been sent using entanglement. Nothing other than the info ever "left" the area. If you build a "transporter" that way, all you are doing is building a copy at the other end. If you could do that, all you would need is the info and the copier - it wouldn't have to be "sent" to you through entanglement. You can carry it with you. Harte 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted June 23, 2016 #11 Share Posted June 23, 2016 26 minutes ago, Harte said: I'm calling bullsheet. Nothing has ever been "teleported." Uncontrollably random information has been sent using entanglement. Nothing other than the info ever "left" the area. If you build a "transporter" that way, all you are doing is building a copy at the other end. If you could do that, all you would need is the info and the copier - it wouldn't have to be "sent" to you through entanglement. You can carry it with you. Harte Way to inject some realism into our make-fun-of-Russia thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted June 23, 2016 Author #12 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Atoms have been transported..... from 2004 Quote Teleportation breakthrough made Scientists have performed successful teleportation on atoms for the first time, the journal Nature reports. The feat was achieved by two teams of researchers working independently on the problem in the US and Austria. The ability to transfer key properties of one particle to another without using any physical link has until now only been achieved with laser light. Experts say being able to do the same with massive particles like atoms could lead to new superfast computers. This development is a long way from the transporters used by Jean-Luc Picard and Captain Kirk in the famous Star Trek TV series. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3811785.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 23, 2016 #13 Share Posted June 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, seeder said: Atoms have been transported..... from 2004 Read your own quote: " key properties of one particle to another " Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted June 23, 2016 Author #14 Share Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Harte said: Read your own quote: " key properties of one particle to another " Harte Indeed, I also pointed out that was from 2004....and am aware of the immense difficulties involved in this become real...with living complex bodies . Edited June 23, 2016 by seeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 24, 2016 #15 Share Posted June 24, 2016 And when it does, and you step into the transporter, when it's over, you'll still be here, just like those atoms. Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 24, 2016 #16 Share Posted June 24, 2016 31 minutes ago, Harte said: And when it does, and you step into the transporter, when it's over, you'll still be here, just like those atoms. Harte Perhaps it will work like the teleporter in The Prestige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 24, 2016 #17 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Don't know about that one. Never saw it. Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted June 24, 2016 #18 Share Posted June 24, 2016 And all we get for our tax dollars are self-destructing drones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gecks Posted June 24, 2016 #19 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Lets look at this simply. You want to send a 10 x 10cm piece of aluminium sheet across the country. The machine will magically reduce this sheet to its molecular level and rebuild it on the other side with all the molecules that make aluminium what it is. Yeah I call BS too. Fun to think about but will never be achieved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted June 24, 2016 #20 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) I'd think the Russians would have LOTS of better things to spend money on. But, that's up to them, I guess. I think they'll never get teleportation working on a macro (multi-cell/object) level. There is just too much that needs to be collected and then reordered to make it worth the resources/computer power needed. Also, I agree with Harte in that work so far has basically been copying an atom onto another atom, at range, not actually transporting the atom. Edited June 24, 2016 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperdyer Posted June 24, 2016 #21 Share Posted June 24, 2016 In the words of "Bones" McCoy "Oh, joy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingAngel Posted June 24, 2016 #22 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Still need a medium like a "cable" to transfer information. Energy don't just disappear in a fraction of second then appear somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 24, 2016 #23 Share Posted June 24, 2016 16 hours ago, Gecks said: Lets look at this simply. You want to send a 10 x 10cm piece of aluminium sheet across the country. The machine will magically reduce this sheet to its molecular level and rebuild it on the other side with all the molecules that make aluminium what it is. Yeah I call BS too. Fun to think about but will never be achieved Or, you do that once, while recording the information, and replicate the piece of aluminum wherever you want to go. That's exactly the same thing, and I don't see how people or the media can call that "teleportation." Harte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted June 25, 2016 Author #24 Share Posted June 25, 2016 8 hours ago, FlyingAngel said: Still need a medium like a "cable" to transfer information. Energy don't just disappear in a fraction of second then appear somewhere. Perhaps you have never used a wifi device then, or bluetooth? or a mobile phone? All transmit info/images/video without a cable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted June 25, 2016 #25 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, Harte said: Or, you do that once, while recording the information, and replicate the piece of aluminum wherever you want to go. That's exactly the same thing, and I don't see how people or the media can call that "teleportation." Harte How is what has been done any different then using a laser to finely record the parameters of an object, and then using a rapid prototyping machine somewhere else to make a copy? Not teleportation, but tele-manufacturing?? Edited June 25, 2016 by DieChecker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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