docyabut2 Posted June 24, 2016 #1 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) Ok guys I believe the mystery of Atlantis has been solved. but in my life time I ` sure would like to know the mystery of the shafts of the great pyramid can be solved,and please don't tell me it was aliens or a water plant. ") http://guardians.net/hawass/articles/secret_doors_inside_the_great_pyramid.htm Edited June 24, 2016 by docyabut2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted June 24, 2016 #2 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I think the Pharaoh was an ancient version of the type of person who is deathly afraid of being burial alive - and have telephones buried with them. These pipes were there to allow the Pharaoh a way to shout out he was alive. They were closed off when he died and that wouldn't be a problem. ....or so I imagine! lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted June 24, 2016 #3 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Most of the theories have been binned (including the star theory) and I'm not sure, what if any plausible ones remain. Perhaps if Egyptologists are able to decipher the hieroglyphs and stone carvings, then maybe, (assuming they contain the answer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 24, 2016 #4 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Hanslune said: I think the Pharaoh was an ancient version of the type of person who is deathly afraid of being burial alive - and have telephones buried with them. These pipes were there to allow the Pharaoh a way to shout out he was alive. They were closed off when he died and that wouldn't be a problem. ....or so I imagine! lol They were designed to allow a breeze through the chamber - sort of a pharaonic fart-snatcher without the electric fan. Harte 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 24, 2016 #5 Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 hours ago, docyabut2 said: Ok guys I believe the mystery of Atlantis has been solved... Pray tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted June 24, 2016 #6 Share Posted June 24, 2016 48 minutes ago, Harte said: They were designed to allow a breeze through the chamber - sort of a pharaonic fart-snatcher without the electric fan. Nope. That theory was binned. 5 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Pray tell. There was never a for real Atlantis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 24, 2016 #7 Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Clair said: There was never a for real Atlantis. I demand pictures, or it didn't really not really happen. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted June 24, 2016 #8 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Likely Guy said: I demand pictures, or it didn't really not really happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 24, 2016 #9 Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Hanslune said: I think the Pharaoh was an ancient version of the type of person who is deathly afraid of being burial alive - and have telephones buried with them. These pipes were there to allow the Pharaoh a way to shout out he was alive. They were closed off when he died and that wouldn't be a problem. ....or so I imagine! lol You read too much Poe. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 24, 2016 #10 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Clair said: Most of the theories have been binned (including the star theory) and I'm not sure, what if any plausible ones remain. Perhaps if Egyptologists are able to decipher the hieroglyphs and stone carvings, then maybe, (assuming they contain the answer). The star theory is actually still active...as are all reasonable theories to explain the shafts (by this I am excluding fringe woo-woo themes, which in effect are not legitimate theories to begin with). These are only theories, however, because no real evidence exists to prove or disprove any working argument (and the star theory still makes sense based on the architecture of the Great Pyramid and the corpus called the Pyramid Texts, although we can't definitively date any version of those texts prior to late Dynasty 5). Hieroglyphs have been deciphered, as have the every-day cursive scripts (hieratic and demotic). I've been trained in hieroglyphs myself, although not in the cursive scripts. We don't have a complete understanding of the ancient writing systems of Egypt, mostly because they represent a long-dead language, but most any text or inscription is translatable. The problem here is, no extant ancient Egyptian text survives to tell us the purpose for the shafts, if such an explanatory text ever even existed. So we are left to speculate. Editing to add: I like your avatar photo. I am a self-admitted cat guy. Edited June 24, 2016 by kmt_sesh 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 24, 2016 #11 Share Posted June 24, 2016 32 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Pray tell. Pray not. Please! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted June 24, 2016 #12 Share Posted June 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said: The star theory is actually still active Which star theory? There seem to be a couple of variations of it. This was one of the articles I looked at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/star-shaft-theory-great-pyramid-busted-001787 As far as Hieroglyphs go, I realize they have been deciphered generally speaking, but I was referring specifically to the red ones the little robot captured: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted June 24, 2016 #13 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Clair said: Which star theory? There seem to be a couple of variations of it. This was one of the articles I looked at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/star-shaft-theory-great-pyramid-busted-001787 As far as Hieroglyphs go, I realize they have been deciphered generally speaking, but I was referring specifically to the red ones the little robot captured: There probably are different versions of it, in fact. I don't claim to be familiar with all of them. I'm not about to dig out the book right now, but the most coherent explanation I've seen for the star theory is in Miroslav Verner's book The Pyramids: Their Archaeology and History (Atlantic Books, 2002). Verner is one of the best Egyptologists the Czech Republic has ever produced, and they've produced quite a few. This part is only my own opinion, but I think The Pyramids is one of the best books on ancient Egyptian pyramids ever published. This is not to say I uniformly agree with Verner's explanation for the star theory. In fact I do not agree with all of it. But he does a good job explaining it, and it is in fact still an active theory. Each of the stars in Verner's explanation bear relevance to ancient Egyptian religion. My main problem is the tie-in with Osiris, because there is no extant evidence that Osiris either existed or at least was a deity of any note when the Great Pyramid was built. In no way do I mean this to be dismissive to you, but I tend to avoid using the internet for research. Too much wacky stuff is out there. I prefer peer-reviewed literature, or at least professional literature written for a popular audience (such as Verner's book). I skimmed the article on the web page to which you linked us, and immediately noticed a couple of problems. First, there is no extant evidence from the ancient Egyptian perspective that the Sphinx has any relation to the constellation of Leo. Leo, as such, is part of a zodiac tradition that does not even belong to pharaonic Egypt. Second, the article seems to be arguing that the Great Pyramid is more than 10,000 years old. This is still a popular fringe belief that has never survived scrutiny and has no bearing on factual history. In truth, the idea behind the star theory has little if anything to do with dating the pyramid to the third millennium BCE. Historians have arrived at that conclusion based on different criteria, including archaeological relative and absolute dating (including two different series of carbon dating). That's as far as I got. I'm not here right now to assault someone's web page (although I often do that at other times). As for the red markings within the shafts, some of them do indeed resemble hieroglyphs. But it's my considered opinion that they say nothing. The ancient builders often used such symbols as masons marks, but they don't truly say anything. Let me know if you come across an article that says otherwise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted June 24, 2016 #14 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said: You read too much Poe. Not really Wait ! Someone stole the bell off the hook ! What a low down dirty trick ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted June 24, 2016 #15 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said: ... Editing to add: I like your avatar photo. I am a self-admitted cat guy. I would comment on this ... but I better not . For some reason, you think I post weird pics ????? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyomotor Posted June 24, 2016 #16 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Ok guys I believe the mystery of Atlantis has been solved. Has it? Can you give me a reference so that I can read about it please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted June 24, 2016 #17 Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 hours ago, kmt_sesh said: You read too much Poe. I scoff thrice at your Poe Taphophobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taphophobia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted June 24, 2016 #18 Share Posted June 24, 2016 9 hours ago, docyabut2 said: Ok guys I believe the mystery of Atlantis has been solved. 7 hours ago, Likely Guy said: Pray tell. I think that the mystery of Atlantis is why people thought that there was a mystery in the first place. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted June 24, 2016 #19 Share Posted June 24, 2016 6 hours ago, kmt_sesh said: There probably are different versions of it, in fact. I don't claim to be familiar with all of them. I'm not about to dig out the book right now, but the most coherent explanation I've seen for the star theory is in Miroslav Verner's book The Pyramids: Their Archaeology and History (Atlantic Books, 2002). Verner is one of the best Egyptologists the Czech Republic has ever produced, and they've produced quite a few. This part is only my own opinion, but I think The Pyramids is one of the best books on ancient Egyptian pyramids ever published. Yes, there do appear to be different versions of it, and all appear to be flawed in some way. Perhaps the reason some are still active as theories is because nothing better has surfaced. Or perhaps, they are partly right, and still being worked on. I don't know. It's still nonetheless fascinating, and thank you for mentioning The Pyramids, I'll add it to my list of must-read books. As for the article I listed, I agree it has some obvious flaws. Indeed, all of the articles I read were similarly flawed. I agree that a lot of wacky stuff is out there on the internet but even peer reviewed literature can have its flaws as well, but yeah, I get your point and agree with it. Thanks for your insights. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taun Posted June 24, 2016 #20 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The "real" secret of the pyramids is that they were not built as tombs/mausoleums but so that they could white wash the sides and sell advertising space... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaentum Posted June 24, 2016 #21 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The pyramids are the tips of ancient missiles to protect us from invasion from space 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted June 24, 2016 #22 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Taun said: The "real" secret of the pyramids is that they were not built as tombs/mausoleums but so that they could white wash the sides and sell advertising space... 59 minutes ago, Quaentum said: The pyramids are the tips of ancient missiles to protect us from invasion from space That information was not supposed to be released to the general public until the year 2172. You two totally screwed up. Now the aliens know for sure what they always suspected: that we're all a bunch of consumer driven paranoid freaks who don;t know what to do with the pyramids they built for us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windowpane Posted June 24, 2016 #23 Share Posted June 24, 2016 10 hours ago, kmt_sesh said: The star theory is actually still active...as are all reasonable theories to explain the shafts ... This is one example from a few years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted June 24, 2016 #24 Share Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) 16 hours ago, Clair said: Nope. That theory was binned. Why, thank you, Clair. Maybe you should read what it says under my username. We get a lot of this here. Harte Edited June 24, 2016 by Harte To make an edit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted June 24, 2016 #25 Share Posted June 24, 2016 57 minutes ago, Harte said: We get a lot of this here. A lot of what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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