questionmark Posted June 28, 2016 #1 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Quote Canada and Mexico agreed to settle a pair of protracted bilateral disputes on Tuesday in the run-up to a U.S. presidential election in November that could shake ties between the three North American nations. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said starting Dec. 1, Canada would scrap rules obliging Mexican visitors to obtain visas. The former Conservative government imposed the restrictions in 2009 to stop what it said were bogus asylum claims. In return, President Enrique Pena Nieto said Mexico would allow expanded imports of Canadian beef starting in October, ending 13 years of restrictions imposed after a case of mad cow disease was discovered in Canada. Read more on Reuters (sung to the tune of Pink Floyd's The Wall) all in all we have another hole in the wall! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted June 28, 2016 #2 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Paving the way for the Amero currency? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted June 28, 2016 #3 Share Posted June 28, 2016 what are they hoping to do then? Relieve the pressure on the US by offering to take in all those who might want to cross the border in a not necessarily official manner? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted June 28, 2016 #4 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Good, the visa dispute was kinda stupid anyway. As to the beef, good another market for Canadian beef. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 28, 2016 #5 Share Posted June 28, 2016 guess we'll need a fence on that border as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted June 28, 2016 #6 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 hours ago, aztek said: guess we'll need a fence on that border as well. Way ahead of ya. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 28, 2016 #7 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) no you are not, not even close, it is extremely easy to smuggle anyone and anything into usa from Canadian border, all you have to do is rent a house boat on lake ontario, it gives you a permit to moor on any side, and no one is checking you, i have rented those few times. Edited June 28, 2016 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted June 28, 2016 #8 Share Posted June 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, aztek said: no you are not, not even close, it is extremely easy to smuggle anyone and anything into usa from Canadian border, all you have to do is rent a house boat on lake ontario, it gives you a permit to moor on any side, and no one is checking you, i have rented those few times. Yes and you go through a reserve on the boarder where you can literally walk across the boarder with out being challenged. Then there is the thousands of kilometres of wilderness. That is how hundreds (if not thousands) of illegal US guns get smuggled across the boarder to be sold on the black market. Well that and the tens of thousands of 18 wheelers going back and forth every day. I was just making a joke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 29, 2016 #9 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Canadians and the Canadian politicians are well aware of the political climate and presidential candidates here in the United States. I can't see this as anything other than a direct stab at Donald Trump and his border wall policy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted June 29, 2016 #10 Share Posted June 29, 2016 6 hours ago, Thanato said: Good, the visa dispute was kinda stupid anyway. As to the beef, good another market for Canadian beef. I don't know that it was stupid. Mexicans were really abusing Canada's refugee system, so chances are, they will do it again - especially if Trump gets into office. The only way Canada could stop them is to say yeah okay you can stay but you have to live in Inuvik forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted June 29, 2016 #11 Share Posted June 29, 2016 11 hours ago, Clair said: I don't know that it was stupid. Mexicans were really abusing Canada's refugee system, so chances are, they will do it again - especially if Trump gets into office. The only way Canada could stop them is to say yeah okay you can stay but you have to live in Inuvik forever. Well the north does need people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 29, 2016 #12 Share Posted June 29, 2016 may be, but do you really think they want to go to your north? if they did, they would be there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted June 29, 2016 #13 Share Posted June 29, 2016 maybe it'd be a good deterrent. "If you try to sneak over the border, we'll send you to Canada, who'll very kindly offer to re-home you in the Frozen North". It could be the new Siberia! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 29, 2016 #14 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) they do not want no Canada, they want to get in usa, have a citizen kid, and apply for welfare. or work for cash, and send it back to mexico, and other countries of south america. if they had any interest in Canada they would be there already. even some canadians do not want to come back to canada. Canadians lead U.S. immigrants in unauthorized visa overstays, according to first-ever estimates from the Department of Homeland Security. DHS now estimates 93,000 Canadian overstays, more than double the amount of Mexican overstays (42,000) and about the same as the combined total of South America America. Canada has a smaller population that Mexico and Latin America, so its citizens also have a higher rate of overstays in addition to just raw figures. http://www.latintimes.com/canadian-immigrants-lead-world-illegal-us-visa-overstays-according-first-ever-dhs-367906 Edited June 29, 2016 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted June 29, 2016 #15 Share Posted June 29, 2016 1 hour ago, aztek said: they do not want no Canada, they want to get in usa, have a citizen kid, and apply for welfare. or work for cash, and send it back to mexico, and other countries of south america. if they had any interest in Canada they would be there already. even some canadians do not want to come back to canada. Canadians lead U.S. immigrants in unauthorized visa overstays, according to first-ever estimates from the Department of Homeland Security. DHS now estimates 93,000 Canadian overstays, more than double the amount of Mexican overstays (42,000) and about the same as the combined total of South America America. Canada has a smaller population that Mexico and Latin America, so its citizens also have a higher rate of overstays in addition to just raw figures. http://www.latintimes.com/canadian-immigrants-lead-world-illegal-us-visa-overstays-according-first-ever-dhs-367906 thats cool. arrest them then. we'll do the same with the illegal Americans, who are the most numerous illegals in canada... last time any one checked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted June 29, 2016 Author #16 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Just now, Thanato said: thats cool. arrest them then. we'll do the same with the illegal Americans, who are the most numerous illegals in canada... last time any one checked. and there used to be a lot more about 50 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 29, 2016 #17 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Thanato said: thats cool. arrest them then. we'll do the same with the illegal Americans, who are the most numerous illegals in canada... last time any one checked. lmao, american immigrants in canada only account for only 4%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada if you have data on illegal immigration please provide, cuz your statement the bolded one, sounds like bulsht. i'v ebeen to canada more than once, have friends there, during my trips i saw no reason why anyone would immigrate illegally, (never mind that Americans do not need visas to canada, as long as they do not stay over 180 days, they can not be illegal by default). i can see someone overstay 6mo, but i do not believe there would be many, not based on what i saw, Edited June 29, 2016 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlawde Posted June 29, 2016 #18 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Now they can stop using Mastercard ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted June 30, 2016 #19 Share Posted June 30, 2016 13 hours ago, aztek said: may be, but do you really think they want to go to your north? if they did, they would be there already. inese and Cambodians are buying I consider that you're kidding right now. There are growing communities of Mexicans and Muslims in northern Canada. Yes, really. ...and I don't have a damn problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 30, 2016 #20 Share Posted June 30, 2016 i do not remember saying anything about Cambodians in my post,. why is it in my quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted June 30, 2016 #21 Share Posted June 30, 2016 This is just a deal. We'll take your unwanted if you'll buy our beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted June 30, 2016 #22 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Well this is indeed interesting... Mexico and Japan are who the U.S. exports the most beef to. Some years it's Mexico in the lead, and other years it's Japan. All other exports are way below these two, with Canada being in fourth. Canadian Exports have a very different ratio. A HUGE amount is exported to the U.S., with Mexico being way less. If Canada is going to be shipping more beef to Mexico, I have to wonder how much that might take away from the U.S. exporting market. Or shift the market at any rate. Source: U.S. Meat Export Federation statistical reports: https://www.usmef.org/news-statistics/statistics/ Source: Canadian Meat Council report: http://www.cmc-cvc.com/en/about-us/industry-statistics/beef-cattle Also something for consideration is the shipping industry for this. Live beef gets shipped overland. Here's a document that explains the process in the U.S. for shipment of livestock from Canada to Mexico. USDA Import Live Animals; subheader, Cattle and Other Ruminants; title, Transit Canadian Bovines to Mexico: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/animal-and-animal-product-import-information/import-live-animals/ct_import_live_animals/!ut/p/z1/xVPLdoIwEP0al5iAiNAdWo7Y-jjH-oJNToQE0kKCIUr9-0ZrF31oT1fNbmbuZO7cm4AYbEDM8YFlWDHBcaHjKHbQ1BwMoWub42Fwb0I_9EaPYc-BM9MB6zNgPLMHZv8Jjmer0IF-sFgupq7ZH3kWiD-V7aCvy_PeJAhGFpxbl3545fjwt_4ViEGccFWpHES4ylmNEsEV4QoVbCuxPLZgjZHYS0RFsq_PEeasxAXKCS5Ufs6wshJSIcaVQBeQvkIekSS7PZOk1JFOJ-oDWbADudxTnyhUCUtB1PVS16M2NUiadgzbdajh2pZneF53qwWkvRSal5VvaBrfVmR9mndDFbPzDfDdld-GRJpk7yrJ0AbrAyMNWHIhtQTg6Y8ahBA8nCnckEG_Pfa828W-Nvhk6asCm_9yWHOx5GQwyfSWWOUG41SAzRWw3iwrxPb9-_h823F1mySUSCLbe6nTuVJVfdeCLdg0TTsTIitIOxHlTw25qPXiX3BVuVyWbudovMzdZkHz4jCmE9WN3gCqVsN9/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?urile=wcm%3Apath%3A%2Faphis_content_library%2Fsa_our_focus%2Fsa_animal_health%2Fsa_import_into_us%2Fsa_entry_requirements%2Fct_import_live_animals PDF of the document: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/downloads/cn_us_mx_transit_bovines.pdf Processed beef gets shipped overland and by rail. A good document that had information about refrigerated food transport from Canada to Mexico can be found here. It is a bit old, from 2008, but has a lot of valuable information in to help know what's going on with transportation in this issue. Refrigerated Food Transport from Canada to Mexico Cold Chain Challenges: http://journals.oregondigital.org/trforum/article/view/1721 PDF of the document: http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/206915/2/1721-3106-2-PB.pdf With all of this.. I have to wonder if the U.S. might do something about transport. Like tighten shipping regulations... or perhaps a side effect would be an expansion of the shipping lines withing the U.S.. And on from beef and into human transport... As far as I'm aware of, there isn't really any sort of transportation for the direct movement of people from Mexico to Canada? I mean, yes, take a car or walk or whatever does exist, but I mean more of a formal transportation service. Like Amtrak or Greyhound. So I can't help myself but wonder what kind of impact this agreement could have in the people transport industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 30, 2016 #23 Share Posted June 30, 2016 10 hours ago, Likely Guy said: I consider that you're kidding right now. There are growing communities of Mexicans and Muslims in northern Canada. muslims i believe, but mexicans, sorry i do not buy it for a second, data shows mexican immigrants are not even in top 10. link was posted few posts above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted June 30, 2016 Author #24 Share Posted June 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, rashore said: Well this is indeed interesting... Mexico and Japan are who the U.S. exports the most beef to. Some years it's Mexico in the lead, and other years it's Japan. All other exports are way below these two, with Canada being in fourth. Canadian Exports have a very different ratio. A HUGE amount is exported to the U.S., with Mexico being way less. If Canada is going to be shipping more beef to Mexico, I have to wonder how much that might take away from the U.S. exporting market. Or shift the market at any rate. Source: U.S. Meat Export Federation statistical reports: https://www.usmef.org/news-statistics/statistics/ Source: Canadian Meat Council report: http://www.cmc-cvc.com/en/about-us/industry-statistics/beef-cattle Also something for consideration is the shipping industry for this. Live beef gets shipped overland. Here's a document that explains the process in the U.S. for shipment of livestock from Canada to Mexico. USDA Import Live Animals; subheader, Cattle and Other Ruminants; title, Transit Canadian Bovines to Mexico: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/animal-and-animal-product-import-information/import-live-animals/ct_import_live_animals/!ut/p/z1/xVPLdoIwEP0al5iAiNAdWo7Y-jjH-oJNToQE0kKCIUr9-0ZrF31oT1fNbmbuZO7cm4AYbEDM8YFlWDHBcaHjKHbQ1BwMoWub42Fwb0I_9EaPYc-BM9MB6zNgPLMHZv8Jjmer0IF-sFgupq7ZH3kWiD-V7aCvy_PeJAhGFpxbl3545fjwt_4ViEGccFWpHES4ylmNEsEV4QoVbCuxPLZgjZHYS0RFsq_PEeasxAXKCS5Ufs6wshJSIcaVQBeQvkIekSS7PZOk1JFOJ-oDWbADudxTnyhUCUtB1PVS16M2NUiadgzbdajh2pZneF53qwWkvRSal5VvaBrfVmR9mndDFbPzDfDdld-GRJpk7yrJ0AbrAyMNWHIhtQTg6Y8ahBA8nCnckEG_Pfa828W-Nvhk6asCm_9yWHOx5GQwyfSWWOUG41SAzRWw3iwrxPb9-_h823F1mySUSCLbe6nTuVJVfdeCLdg0TTsTIitIOxHlTw25qPXiX3BVuVyWbudovMzdZkHz4jCmE9WN3gCqVsN9/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?urile=wcm%3Apath%3A%2Faphis_content_library%2Fsa_our_focus%2Fsa_animal_health%2Fsa_import_into_us%2Fsa_entry_requirements%2Fct_import_live_animals PDF of the document: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/downloads/cn_us_mx_transit_bovines.pdf Processed beef gets shipped overland and by rail. A good document that had information about refrigerated food transport from Canada to Mexico can be found here. It is a bit old, from 2008, but has a lot of valuable information in to help know what's going on with transportation in this issue. Refrigerated Food Transport from Canada to Mexico Cold Chain Challenges: http://journals.oregondigital.org/trforum/article/view/1721 PDF of the document: http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/206915/2/1721-3106-2-PB.pdf With all of this.. I have to wonder if the U.S. might do something about transport. Like tighten shipping regulations... or perhaps a side effect would be an expansion of the shipping lines withing the U.S.. And on from beef and into human transport... As far as I'm aware of, there isn't really any sort of transportation for the direct movement of people from Mexico to Canada? I mean, yes, take a car or walk or whatever does exist, but I mean more of a formal transportation service. Like Amtrak or Greyhound. So I can't help myself but wonder what kind of impact this agreement could have in the people transport industry. Yes there is http://www.rome2rio.com/s/Canada/Mexico-City 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted June 30, 2016 #25 Share Posted June 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, questionmark said: Yes there is http://www.rome2rio.com/s/Canada/Mexico-City Well yes, one can book a flight from Mexico City to a couple points in Canada. And wow, that's expensive, probably enough so to be cost prohibitive to the average family in Mexico. But what I was referring to was land routes like overland or rail for people. There are already strong routes for trade shipping, and I wonder how much potential there is in people transport along those kinds of lines too- since there does not currently seem to be much in regards to direct overland or rail between Canada and Mexico at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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