ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 #1 Share Posted June 30, 2016 the last fathers & and the first fathers and where we are today,what would they do? what would they say? I don't think they would appreciate how weak society has become but I'm sure they would be amazed that we've remained. they would have to be proud of us, right? in a sense? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted June 30, 2016 #2 Share Posted June 30, 2016 No they would not be proud and would probably be meeting in local Taverns planning on what to do about it. This America is not what they envisioned the proof would be to read the letters of the founding fathers. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thanato Posted June 30, 2016 Popular Post #3 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Well America had turned into what it rebelled against. A world dominating Colonial Empire. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted June 30, 2016 #4 Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, Thanato said: Well America had turned into what it rebelled against. A world dominating Colonial Empire. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #5 Share Posted June 30, 2016 23 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said: No they would not be proud and would probably be meeting in local Taverns planning on what to do about it. This America is not what they envisioned the proof would be to read the letters of the founding fathers. yeah, to read their letters and to fast forward to now, in some areas they would be proud of us , but man have we lost our way. what would they think about fighting over the second amendment? I don't even have to ask what they would think, I know they would most likely want to know why we allowed for it to be a danger in ways like having thugs in our country and people who hate what they did for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #6 Share Posted June 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said: what's on your mind about that? come on share,please... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted June 30, 2016 #7 Share Posted June 30, 2016 18 minutes ago, Thanato said: Well America had turned into what it rebelled against. A world dominating Colonial Empire. World domination...it has a nice ring to it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted June 30, 2016 16 minutes ago, Thanato said: Well America had turned into what it rebelled against. A world dominating Colonial Empire. Start counting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #9 Share Posted June 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, ZZ430 said: World domination...it has a nice ring to it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted June 30, 2016 #10 Share Posted June 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: what's on your mind about that? come on share,please... What? The Us has colonial territories around the world, along with a number of military bases around the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted June 30, 2016 #11 Share Posted June 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, ZZ430 said: World domination...it has a nice ring to it. Yeah, if you're a cartoon mouse In the real world it makes you look like Genghis Khan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #12 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Just now, Thanato said: What? The Us has colonial territories around the world, along with a number of military bases around the world. yeah, do you think that we should charge them a fee for protecting them or should we leave them to be taken over by whoever, seriously, I don't really know all these things because a lot has happened since the Fathers blueprints have been tampered with,"corrupt politicians" bankers and stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 30, 2016 #13 Share Posted June 30, 2016 We should tax their tea! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #14 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I was thinking of Pinky& the brain when ZZ430 was playing around with that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanato Posted June 30, 2016 #15 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Ellapennella said: yeah, do you think that we should charge them a fee for protecting them or should we leave them to be taken over by whoever, seriously, I don't really know all these things because a lot has happened since the Fathers blueprints have been tampered with,"corrupt politicians" bankers and stuff. So are you saying... Should the Us give up being a super power and let someone else take over? Or give up being a super power and let someone else take over? The US can't charge nations for protection because a) the military is the force for general stability keep the international trade coming to the US market b ) the US would give up being a super power allowing China and or Russia to swoop in and take the territory seeded to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #16 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Gromdor said: We should tax their tea! oh yeah, the tea party, they're good people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #17 Share Posted June 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, Thanato said: So are you saying... Should the Us give up being a super power and let someone else take over? Or give up being a super power and let someone else take over? The US can't charge nations for protection because a) the military is the force for general stability keep the international trade coming to the US market b ) the US would give up being a super power allowing China and or Russia to swoop in and take the territory seeded to them. I don't like what it means to be a superpower,that's nukes. We were never suppose to have some of the dealings that we have , like we were never suppose to let banks run us and we did, well not us but the generation that did. But, as it stands now, I don't want to be based all over the world like that, but I want to be protected from whoever and if we have to be stationed somewhere what can you really do about it? We shouldn't be so involved and also people shouldn't do some of what they do in other countries too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted June 30, 2016 #18 Share Posted June 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: yeah, do you think that we should charge them a fee for protecting them or should we leave them to be taken over by whoever, seriously, I don't really know all these things because a lot has happened since the Fathers blueprints have been tampered with,"corrupt politicians" bankers and stuff. Since other countries don't spend half of their GNP on their military just who is going to take over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted June 30, 2016 #19 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 minute ago, OverSword said: Since other countries don't spend half of their GNP on their military just who is going to take over? The more relevant question is: Will the US spend as much on defense once it pulls back? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted June 30, 2016 #20 Share Posted June 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, questionmark said: The more relevant question is: Will the US spend as much on defense once it pulls back? If we can ever elect a president that's not owned by the military industrial complex then it's possible. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 30, 2016 #21 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Thanato said: Well America had turned into what it rebelled against. A world dominating Colonial Empire. That is not what we rebelled against. What we rebelled against was the Mother country not showing the Colonies respect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 30, 2016 #22 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Ellapennella said: the last fathers & and the first fathers and where we are today,what would they do? what would they say? I don't think they would appreciate how weak society has become but I'm sure they would be amazed that we've remained. they would have to be proud of us, right? in a sense? They would probably be impressed by how powerful we’ve become but disappointed in allowing socialism to take such a strong hold. They would probably chew the people out about being stupid and wasteful. Not Business. Not the government. They probably wouldn’t understand how we have allowed government to take such power over us. And they would be beside themselves why we haven’t used the ballot or even the bullet to get rid of the ruling elite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 30, 2016 Author #23 Share Posted June 30, 2016 51 minutes ago, OverSword said: Since other countries don't spend half of their GNP on their military just who is going to take over? Who would take over where we station at ? So you think it's needed , is that what you're saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 30, 2016 #24 Share Posted June 30, 2016 1 hour ago, OverSword said: Since other countries don't spend half of their GNP on their military just who is going to take over? Neither do we. At its peak, I believe, it was no higher than about 23%. How important do you consider our defense? This is how to remain strong. At one time we spent more than the next 25 nations combined did in defense. That secured this nation and provided a relative peace in the world. Now we spend about as much as the next 8 nations do. We have become almost too weak. And look at the world now. There is so much chaos now that the world is but a match from catching fire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 30, 2016 #25 Share Posted June 30, 2016 59 minutes ago, questionmark said: The more relevant question is: Will the US spend as much on defense once it pulls back? We should be increasing. That will prevent the next ISIS or just the next barbarian. If we survive this, we need to accept and learn our lesson and return to being a strong nation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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