Myles Posted July 2, 2016 #26 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Why does a country have to feel obligated to take these refugees? There are needy people in many countries that have been affected by USA influence. Should we take in everyone? What benefit outweighs taking in poor and mostly uneducated people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted July 2, 2016 #27 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Here's a nice video of a Syrian family celebrating their first Canada day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted July 2, 2016 #28 Share Posted July 2, 2016 9 hours ago, Myles said: Why does a country have to feel obligated to take these refugees? There are needy people in many countries that have been affected by USA influence. Should we take in everyone? What benefit outweighs taking in poor and mostly uneducated people? The obligation is a humanitarian one. Obviously we can't take everyone, but where we can help we should. As for taking in poor and mostly uneducated people, think of all the poor and uneducated people who built the US and Canada to the countries they are today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted July 3, 2016 #29 Share Posted July 3, 2016 5 hours ago, Clair said: The obligation is a humanitarian one. Obviously we can't take everyone, but where we can help we should. As for taking in poor and mostly uneducated people, think of all the poor and uneducated people who built the US and Canada to the countries they are today. And many of those people are still poor and uneducated or descendants thereof. Why do we insist on multiplying that number when we can't even seem to take care of our own? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted July 3, 2016 #30 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) 17 hours ago, Myles said: Why does a country have to feel obligated to take these refugees? There are needy people in many countries that have been affected by USA influence. Should we take in everyone? What benefit outweighs taking in poor and mostly uneducated people? Because it is a refugee crisis. Many Syrians leaving their country at the same time because of war and destruction. I agree with you that arab countries should do more to help these people. But that doesn't mean Canada, a well at ease country, cannot do what it feels it can do. Edited July 3, 2016 by TruthSeeker_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted July 3, 2016 #31 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Not Your Huckleberry said: And many of those people are still poor and uneducated or descendants thereof. That is not entirely true. Second generation adult US born children of immigrants tend to be well-educated with good incomes. As for the refugees, not all are poor and uneducated. In fact, many are university educated from upper-middle class families. A fact which did not go unnoticed by the Germans who relaxed their university admission rules to get some of those people straight in. Edited July 3, 2016 by Clair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted July 3, 2016 #32 Share Posted July 3, 2016 21 minutes ago, Clair said: That is not entirely true. Second generation adult US born children of immigrants tend to be well-educated with good incomes. As for the refugees, not all are poor and uneducated. In fact, many are university educated from upper-middle class families. A fact which did not go unnoticed by the Germans who relaxed their university admission rules to get some of those people straight in. I agree with you on the first part. As for the second, if they're so well educated already, why did German universities lower admission standards just to let them in? Seems a bit contradictory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted July 3, 2016 #33 Share Posted July 3, 2016 4 hours ago, Not Your Huckleberry said: As for the second, if they're so well educated already, why did German universities lower admission standards just to let them in? They didn't 'lower' the admission standards, they 'relaxed' them. Such standards tend to be very rigid across Europe, but several European countries, including Germany, are being more flexible with refugees. For instance, some are offering specialized testing for refugee students whose education was interrupted by the war. Germans are also allowing them to sit in on course modules so that they become familiarized with the German higher education system before becoming fully registered, Basically, whatever they can do to help integrate these students into the university system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted July 5, 2016 #34 Share Posted July 5, 2016 On 7/2/2016 at 7:43 PM, Clair said: The obligation is a humanitarian one. Obviously we can't take everyone, but where we can help we should. As for taking in poor and mostly uneducated people, think of all the poor and uneducated people who built the US and Canada to the countries they are today. I understand that. Why focus on helping these refugees as opposed to all the other needy people in the world? Do you know how many people are starving to death in some countries. It just seems wrong to pick the ones to help based on media coverage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted July 5, 2016 #35 Share Posted July 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Myles said: I understand that. Why focus on helping these refugees as opposed to all the other needy people in the world? Do you know how many people are starving to death in some countries. It just seems wrong to pick the ones to help based on media coverage. It's not just the Syrians who are being helped. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.refers most of the refugees to the US and other countries. Of the 85,000 or so refugees the US took in last year, just 10,000 were Syrians. But yeah, the global refugee crisis is horrific - estimates place the number at more than 60 million. Wars, natural disasters and other catastrophes have displaced so many people. Relief organizations are doing what they can, and countries are taking in who they can. So just because some are not currently grabbing the headlines, does not mean they are being ignored. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted July 10, 2016 #36 Share Posted July 10, 2016 On 7/2/2016 at 6:43 PM, Clair said: The obligation is a humanitarian one. Obviously we can't take everyone, but where we can help we should. As for taking in poor and mostly uneducated people, think of all the poor and uneducated people who built the US and Canada to the countries they are today. Different time, a lot of people back then couldn't read nor write, or just barely could, not just the immigrants. There was no welfare system back then, they had to do something or starve, many barely kept from doing that. Most of the time the work they did was dangerous manual labor or sometimes crime but most were a honest hard working bunch which was a asset. Get enough uneducated people today you will get a different result, it would tax a system not help it. Don't get me wrong at times we should take refugees but sometimes I think we take too many, we should not be taking economic refugees at all. I would rather spend the money helping them with education, food, etc, in their countries. Sometimes I wonder if taking too many ends up hurting the country we took them from. How does anything change in these countries if we take the people that might stand up for change or their educated that could make a big difference in the economy of the country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted July 15, 2016 #37 Share Posted July 15, 2016 On 2016-07-02 at 0:07 AM, Likely Guy said: True that. Pick them first, vet them. I'm sure that we''ll have another good crop of Canadians. We grow like weeds. Happy weeds. Happy Canada Day, my mongrel compatriots. Mongrel compatriots! I love it. That needs to be a national slogan or something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted July 16, 2016 #38 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, Podo said: Mongrel compatriots! I love it. That needs to be a national slogan or something We are different pieces of a mosaic and that, together, we make a nice picture. Except, I like to think that the tiles in our mosaic have soft edges and will easily blend. Multiculturalism will be a blessing. Edited July 16, 2016 by Likely Guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted July 16, 2016 #39 Share Posted July 16, 2016 On 7/10/2016 at 1:48 PM, Ashotep said: Different time, a lot of people back then couldn't read nor write, or just barely could, not just the immigrants. There was no welfare system back then, they had to do something or starve, many barely kept from doing that. Most of the time the work they did was dangerous manual labor or sometimes crime but most were a honest hard working bunch which was a asset. Get enough uneducated people today you will get a different result, it would tax a system not help it. Don't get me wrong at times we should take refugees but sometimes I think we take too many, we should not be taking economic refugees at all. I would rather spend the money helping them with education, food, etc, in their countries. Sometimes I wonder if taking too many ends up hurting the country we took them from. How does anything change in these countries if we take the people that might stand up for change or their educated that could make a big difference in the economy of the country. Re: The bolded part. I presume that you Ash, as well as I, are the descendants of immigrants. My lineages left their home countries for the same reason these refugees do. They were not wanted. Making sure they stay there will not help them, all that it will do is shorten their lives when they can be productive and prosperous, elsewhere. I don't see immigrants and refugees as a burden, at all. They usually have more fire in their belly and, as a refugee you're free to return to your old country, when the time is safe, in order to make that a better world too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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