questionmark Posted July 20, 2016 #1 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Quote Four years before Hillary Clinton became the first woman to mathematically capture a major U.S. political party’s presidential nomination, a staff member on Rick Santorum’s 2012 presidential campaign posed a question in an email that shocked many people: “Is it God’s highest desire, that is, his biblically expressed will, … to have a woman rule the institutions of the family, the church, and the state?” God’s will or not, in 2016, it’s all that much closer to coming to fruition. Clinton is poised to be nominated for president by the Democratic Party next week. And so religious hard-liners of all faiths — the most conservative Christians, Muslims and Jews — are debating: Does the Bible prohibit a female president? Read more on The Washington Post I am speechless, I could understand to discuss whether you want Hildenbeast, but a blanket discrimination against women? All ayatollahs are the same animal, no matter what religion they claim to belong to. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted July 20, 2016 #2 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Just so archaic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 20, 2016 #3 Share Posted July 20, 2016 What they wants is another JC episode ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted July 20, 2016 #4 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Doesn't matter as long as it's not this hell-spawn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 20, 2016 #5 Share Posted July 20, 2016 19 minutes ago, questionmark said: I am speechless, I could understand to discuss whether you want Hildenbeast, but a blanket discrimination against women? All ayatollahs are the same animal, no matter what religion they claim to belong to. Politics is a dirty business in the USA. On one side its don't vote for her as God doesn't want a female president. On the other its don't vote for him as his stance against Mexicans is racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted July 20, 2016 #6 Share Posted July 20, 2016 25 minutes ago, questionmark said: I am speechless, I could understand to discuss whether you want Hildenbeast, but a blanket discrimination against women? All ayatollahs are the same animal, no matter what religion they claim to belong to. Does God not like England? They have had Queens and female PMs. Russia had Catherine the Great. Germany has Merkel. State have had female Governors. Cities have had female Mayors. Haven't heard of God striking any of them down. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted July 20, 2016 #7 Share Posted July 20, 2016 *Leo doesn't hold his breath while waiting for the first female Pope* 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 20, 2016 #8 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Momma ? ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted July 20, 2016 #9 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I wonder how Rick Santorum would feel if it were Sarah Palin running? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 20, 2016 #10 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'm all in favor of fundamentalism if it means that they can find a loophole which means that she'd be barred. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaturtlehorsesnake Posted July 20, 2016 #11 Share Posted July 20, 2016 pretty sure god isn't qualified to vote in the us, so. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted July 20, 2016 #12 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Many of the Middle East countries that donated millions to the Clinton foundation would agree that women are seen as second class citizens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Cursed Posted July 20, 2016 #13 Share Posted July 20, 2016 How do we know that God isn't a women and that the scribes simply assumed God was male ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 20, 2016 Author #14 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Forever Cursed said: How do we know that God isn't a women and that the scribes simply assumed God was male ? well, there was a time when God was a woman...that was called the matriarchy. Since then we had a "coup de civilisation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted July 20, 2016 #15 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Apparently, they were all fine with Sarah Palin possibly getting hold of the reins. They're only Christian as it suits them, politically. That said, it's still a danger for people to bring religion into how they vote. You end up putting people in positions of power who can do a lot of damage if they happen to be for real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted July 20, 2016 #16 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I don't mind a female president just not one who thinks it is her right to be one. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady B Posted July 20, 2016 #17 Share Posted July 20, 2016 He sure does not want the devil trump in office either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Cursed Posted July 20, 2016 #18 Share Posted July 20, 2016 It's like the lesser of 2 Evils ......... So "MICKEY" gets my vote ..... Free Mata horn rides for every one .............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted July 20, 2016 #19 Share Posted July 20, 2016 There are plenty of women that would probably be good Presidents but Hillary Clinton is NOT one of them. Many democrats are not happy that she is the candidate (see Bernie Sanders) but it seems the fix was in long before the first primary. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted July 20, 2016 #20 Share Posted July 20, 2016 36 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: Apparently, they were all fine with Sarah Palin possibly getting hold of the reins. They're only Christian as it suits them, politically. That said, it's still a danger for people to bring religion into how they vote. You end up putting people in positions of power who can do a lot of damage if they happen to be for real. I'm pretty sure it's an unwritten requirement to be religious on stage. Even the Donald tried quoting some Bible verses and we all know damn well he doesn't believe it. Would it really be so bad to have an agnostic/atheist stand up there? Are that many votes really at stake? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 20, 2016 Author #21 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Just now, Dark_Grey said: I'm pretty sure it's an unwritten requirement to be religious on stage. Even the Donald tried quoting some Bible verses and we all know damn well he doesn't believe it. Would it really be so bad to have an agnostic/atheist stand up there? Are that many votes really at stake? It probably would not be so bad if the candidate was running for the Libertarians, Dems or Greens... but if he/she is running for the Republicans that would have disastrous consequences. ... for the candidate. Half their votes comes from people who like it when the candidate pretends to bible thumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted July 20, 2016 #22 Share Posted July 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: I'm pretty sure it's an unwritten requirement to be religious on stage. Even the Donald tried quoting some Bible verses and we all know damn well he doesn't believe it. Would it really be so bad to have an agnostic/atheist stand up there? Are that many votes really at stake? It was really funny that he couldn't muster even one reference. Come on...not even the Golden Rule? He couldn't have said, gee, I liked the story of Noah and the Ark? Nothing? LOL. How can you even live in this society without encountering some biblical story at some point in time? I mean, even if you just encountered the Charlie Brown Christmas special you'd have something. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted July 20, 2016 #23 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, questionmark said: It probably would not be so bad if the candidate was running for the Libertarians, Dems or Greens... but if he/she is running for the Republicans that would have disastrous consequences. ... for the candidate. Half their votes comes from people who like it when the candidate pretends to bible thumb. It is interesting that in 2016 we still have to pretend that you can't be Republican without being Christian. Didn't the Repubs only adopt Christianity in the 60's to gain the support of the religious right as we moved in to Vietnam? Some version of that story seems to ring a distant bell for me. Edit to add-- It may have also been around that time that "In God we Trust" was added to the currency.. Edited July 20, 2016 by Dark_Grey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 20, 2016 Author #24 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Just now, Dark_Grey said: It is interesting that in 2016 we still have to pretend that you can't be Republican without being Christian. Didn't the Repubs only adopt Christianity in the 60's to gain the support of the religious right as we moved in to Vietnam? Some version of that story seems to ring a distant bell for me. The time frame is about right, but the reason was that they wanted to dip into the so-called "silent majority" (which is neither silent nor the majority), or the beginning of the fragmenting of the Republican Party. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted July 20, 2016 #25 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Frankly, anything religion should not be a point to consider in politics I believe. In the U.S.? Yes, I know, it's mainly a Christian population. But what seems to be what ever the statistics, doesn't mean it's founded as a particular religious country. I can understand a secular state also means you have the right to practice freely and be what ever your religion is or is not, but that goes with others too. So in politics, God, Goddess, the Flying Speghetti Monster ( I know, invented to prove a point ) and other such dieties and such should not be used as guidelines. QuestionMark: Quote Four years before Hillary Clinton became the first woman to mathematically capture a major U.S. political party’s presidential nomination, a staff member on Rick Santorum’s 2012 presidential campaign posed a question in an email that shocked many people: “Is it God’s highest desire, that is, his biblically expressed will, … to have a woman rule the institutions of the family, the church, and the state?” God’s will or not, in 2016, it’s all that much closer to coming to fruition. Clinton is poised to be nominated for president by the Democratic Party next week. And so religious hard-liners of all faiths — the most conservative Christians, Muslims and Jews — are debating: Does the Bible prohibit a female president? Read more on The Washington Post I am speechless, I could understand to discuss whether you want Hildenbeast, but a blanket discrimination against women? All ayatollahs are the same animal, no matter what religion they claim to belong to. Although, I'm not surprised that it would come up, the topic of gender since race I have often found to be brought up for reasons of the currant administration at times. But Al Mohler and Rick Santorium? I seriously do not those two as respective individuals. I guess that is me. I don't know, I just find, when discussing what one should do, and why women should behave in their mindset, it seems to come from a self-agenda point of view. But again, that is me. RabidMonGoose: Politics is a dirty business in the USA. On one side its don't vote for her as God doesn't want a female president. On the other its don't vote for him as his stance against Mexicans is racism. Apples and oranges, the way I see it. Racism is clear and precise in itself, and I wouldn't want that in a president. What God says, should not be a prerequisite. Considering, God is not something everyone could prove, much less him coming down to say it himself. Bama13: Does God not like England? They have had Queens and female PMs. Russia had Catherine the Great. Germany has Merkel. State have had female Governors. Cities have had female Mayors. Haven't heard of God striking any of them down. I have read many times, that the irony is viewed at the thought of all the energy, effort, and anxiety King Henry the eighth had of getting a son, so he can lead a country, and his only reigning son did about 3 to 5 years before passing away before he reached adulthood. And that his two daughters ruled longer, with the very daughter of the woman he blamed and had put to death, reigned a good long time and I do believe is considered one of the best rulers there was. Why is it, the U.S. is so behind in doing things? third eye: Momma ? Forever Cursed: How do we know that God isn't a women and that the scribes simply assumed God was male ? This is funny. I was just thinking of posting that we all could be watched over by a Goddess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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