Ozfactor Posted July 21, 2016 #1 Share Posted July 21, 2016 http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/still-in-the-dark-about-dark-matter/news-story/1e6bd8c66982457082121d6ae7391f90 A giant machine buried in a disused gold mine has failed in its mission to detect dark matter, the mysterious hidden material that accounts for more than four-fifths of the mass of the universe. The STG7 million ($A12.36 million) Large Underground Xenon (Lux) experiment operated beneath a 1.5km of rock in the Black Hills of Dakota. It was designed to spot tiny flashes of light emitted as dark matter particles collided with atoms of xenon. But results from the detector's final 20-month run, which ended in May this year, revealed no sign of the elusive particles. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperdyer Posted July 21, 2016 #2 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Seems a bit odd that nothing was found. Maybe the dark matter was shy or didn't feel like playing. Maybe gold or the quartz inhibits dark matter activity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Posted July 21, 2016 #3 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Rub a balloon on your hair and you will find all the extra attraction you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaria_Kidd Posted July 22, 2016 #4 Share Posted July 22, 2016 What the heck! Open it up for tourism. Since all else has failed do something constructive with it. Idea: It could be dismantled and taken to Switzerland to be reassembled inside the future CERN museum! MK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred_mc Posted July 22, 2016 #5 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) I'm finding dark matter very exciting. It is invisible and doesn't interact with ordinary matter so in theory there could be a "dark matter being" standing behind me right now, and then walking straight through me, and I wouldn't notice anything. Also interesting that all theories about what it could be have failed so far in experiments. Spiritists are saying that the spirit world has a much higher frequency of vibration than our world. My thought is: What if the spirit world is made of dark matter? I read some time ago that physicists have found that the laws of physics depend on the frequency of vibration (of the strings I guess, in string theory everything is vibrating strings) but that the difference in frequency for the particles we know of, such as photons and electrons, is so small so that in practise it doesn't matter. I'm thinking: What if dark matter has much higher vibration frequency than ordinary matter? Edited July 22, 2016 by fred_mc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted July 22, 2016 #6 Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, fred_mc said: Spiritists are saying that the spirit world has a much higher frequency of vibration than our world. My thought is: What if the spirit world is made of dark matter? I read some time ago that physicists have found that the laws of physics depend on the frequency of vibration (of the strings I guess, in string theory everything is vibrating strings) but that the difference in frequency for the particles we know of, such as photons and electrons, is so small so that in practise it doesn't matter. I'm thinking: What if dark matter has much higher vibration frequency than ordinary matter? *sigh* No. Please be interested in science, but don't co-opt scientific ideas in to pseudo-scientific waffle like spiritualism. It does the science a complete disservice. Our "world" doesn't have a "frequency of vibration". There is no evidence for the spirit world, and no evolutionary reason why it would exist. The "vibrations" in strings aren't actual vibrations, just a recognizable description of quantum (and sub-quantum) behaviour. For example, particles are given an up or down spin as part of their description but don't actually spin. Again - the phrase "higher vibration" is nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted July 22, 2016 #7 Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Emma_Acid said: *sigh* No. Please be interested in science, but don't co-opt scientific ideas in to pseudo-scientific waffle like spiritualism. It does the science a complete disservice. Our "world" doesn't have a "frequency of vibration". There is no evidence for the spirit world, and no evolutionary reason why it would exist. The "vibrations" in strings aren't actual vibrations, just a recognizable description of quantum (and sub-quantum) behaviour. For example, particles are given an up or down spin as part of their description but don't actually spin. Again - the phrase "higher vibration" is nonsense. And be aware that the idea of "extra-dimensions" are a serious consideration in theoretical physics. Mathematics already DEMANDS extra dimensions. Physics has not, yet, proven it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted July 22, 2016 #8 Share Posted July 22, 2016 In some "camps" reality exists in 4 dimensions, in others it extends to 7, in others it extends to 12, in others it extends to 21+. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeycat Posted July 22, 2016 #9 Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Emma_Acid said: There is no evidence for the spirit world, and no evolutionary reason why it would exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystal sage Posted July 22, 2016 #10 Share Posted July 22, 2016 There is the extended energetic field of consciousness,... https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/why-physicists-are-saying-consciousness-is-a-state-of-matter-like-a-solid-a-liquid-or-a-gas-5e7ed624986d#.7volxwg5e ... and this ability http://wearechange.org/people-can-draw-energy-people-way-plants/ I actually think that dark matter is like the doors to other dimensions.. maybe something like the dream dimensions.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted July 22, 2016 #11 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, pallidin said: And be aware that the idea of "extra-dimensions" are a serious consideration in theoretical physics. Mathematics already DEMANDS extra dimensions. Physics has not, yet, proven it. Which has nothing to do with "vibrating at higher levels" nor the "spirit world" Edit - and yes, I am well aware of what's going on in physics! Edited July 22, 2016 by Emma_Acid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROGER Posted July 22, 2016 #12 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I personally think the Universe was created by a Giant Flying Spaghetti Monster and that the dark mater you seek is the Secret Sauce that binds us together ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted July 22, 2016 #13 Share Posted July 22, 2016 11 hours ago, Emma_Acid said: There is no evidence for the spirit world, and no evolutionary reason why it would exist. Well, I hate to tell you this, Emma, but there is NO reason that anything should exist in the first place. You see, "existence" does not validate itself under our current understanding of cosmology. Causation of origin is a complete mystery in science. Theorized, yes, but a complete mystery to this day. "Nothingness" however, DOES validate itself. So, there should be an eternal NOTHING, because it validates itself. Yet, here we are. Thus, clearly something is going-on that we do not understand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred_mc Posted July 22, 2016 #14 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 12 hours ago, Emma_Acid said: ... There is no evidence for the spirit world, ... You are correct that there is no evidence. However, there are some quite interesting observations. There is a known case with a woman who was undergoing an operation and had both earplugs (or if it was some other way in which her hearing was hindered, I don't remember) and covered eyes so that it should have been impossible for her both to hear and see anything. Yet, she could accurately describe what happened during the operation, both when it comes to what people said and visual things (something she claims to have done from outside of her body). That is pretty remarkable, nobody is able to explain how she was able to do that. Personally, I always get amazed by how psychics with no previous knowledge of a certain person are able to tell details that shouldn't be known to them (knowledge that the psychics claim to be getting from spirits, no matter if that is true or not it is anyway remarkable that they are able to tell such details). Edited July 22, 2016 by fred_mc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 22, 2016 #15 Share Posted July 22, 2016 45 minutes ago, fred_mc said: You are correct that there is no evidence. However, there are some quite interesting observations. There is a known case with a woman who was undergoing an operation and had both earplugs (or if it was some other way in which her hearing was hindered, I don't remember) and covered eyes so that it should have been impossible for her both to hear and see anything. Yet, she could accurately describe what happened during the operation, both when it comes to what people said and visual things (something she claims to have done from outside of her body). That is pretty remarkable, nobody is able to explain how she was able to do that. [...] Just try to force your brain cells to work, and you'll figure out where the problem lies. Do I have to point out obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeycat Posted July 22, 2016 #16 Share Posted July 22, 2016 25 minutes ago, bmk1245 said: Just try to force your brain cells to work, and you'll figure out where the problem lies. Do I have to point out obvious? Where did you come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 22, 2016 #17 Share Posted July 22, 2016 21 minutes ago, smokeycat said: Where did you come from? Dark matter. More questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeycat Posted July 22, 2016 #18 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Just now, bmk1245 said: Dark matter. More questions? Dark troll matter more like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted July 22, 2016 #19 Share Posted July 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, smokeycat said: Dark troll matter more like... Heh, I thought so. Please, continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted July 22, 2016 #20 Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 hours ago, fred_mc said: You are correct that there is no evidence. However, there are some quite interesting observations. There is a known case with a woman who was undergoing an operation and had both earplugs (or if it was some other way in which her hearing was hindered, I don't remember) and covered eyes so that it should have been impossible for her both to hear and see anything. Yet, she could accurately describe what happened during the operation, both when it comes to what people said and visual things (something she claims to have done from outside of her body). That is pretty remarkable, nobody is able to explain how she was able to do that. Personally, I always get amazed by how psychics with no previous knowledge of a certain person are able to tell details that shouldn't be known to them (knowledge that the psychics claim to be getting from spirits, no matter if that is true or not it is anyway remarkable that they are able to tell such details). Please cite this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted July 22, 2016 #21 Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 hours ago, pallidin said: Well, I hate to tell you this, Emma, but there is NO reason that anything should exist in the first place. You see, "existence" does not validate itself under our current understanding of cosmology. Causation of origin is a complete mystery in science. Theorized, yes, but a complete mystery to this day. "Nothingness" however, DOES validate itself. So, there should be an eternal NOTHING, because it validates itself. Yet, here we are. Thus, clearly something is going-on that we do not understand. Please cite this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeycat Posted July 23, 2016 #22 Share Posted July 23, 2016 2 hours ago, bmk1245 said: Heh, I thought so. Please, continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted July 23, 2016 #23 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Lol how dissapointing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nzo Posted July 23, 2016 #24 Share Posted July 23, 2016 17 hours ago, pallidin said: Well, I hate to tell you this, Emma, but there is NO reason that anything should exist in the first place. You see, "existence" does not validate itself under our current understanding of cosmology. Causation of origin is a complete mystery in science. Theorized, yes, but a complete mystery to this day. "Nothingness" however, DOES validate itself. So, there should be an eternal NOTHING, because it validates itself. Yet, here we are. Thus, clearly something is going-on that we do not understand. I have been plagued by this question of existence since I was very young. It all makes no sense. Take for example the term nothing. You would assume it means nothing but nothing is something. It is a void, that is something. Why a void? Why anything? Even if its not a void and its nothing, even the concept that we attribute to the existence of nothing is something. Even trying to encapsulate the meaning of the word nothing is impossible. The dimensions are infinite. So I have come to understand that nothing is similar to say infinite. Look at CERN they are not trying to find the biggest objects in the universe they are trying to find the smallest. With every new experiment they find smaller and smaller particles. Infinite? I will say this, even if we can detect black matter, it will only open up a whole host of new questions. Every time we think we have grasped something significant we learn that it is literally only the tip of a pin sitting idly on top of the tip of an iceberg, in a sea of infinity or nothing. Well I hope I have not addled anyone's brains. Just musing I have had over the years... looking into the abyss while scary for others, is quite the mental exercise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundew Posted July 23, 2016 #25 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Perhaps they search for something that does not exist, in which case bigger toys won't help. Time will tell. Edited July 23, 2016 by Sundew spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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