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“Excessive Self-Defense”


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They had guns and him using a knife to defend himself was excessive then he gets more time that the robbers.  Ever who decided that has their head screwed on backwards.  He should get a reward and the cirminals should have to pay him.  Is this one of the countries Bernie was wanting to turn the US into.

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well, shockingly in some nations to claim self defense you have to stop once the attacker is subdued. Else you are committing a crime

And, given the source I would like to have the names to check it up in the local press. Because there must be more than disarming and incapacitating robbers in the story.

 

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4 minutes ago, questionmark said:

well, shockingly in some nations to claim self defense you have to stop once the attacker is subdued. Else you are committing a crime

And, given the source I would like to have the names to check it up in the local press. Because there must be more than disarming and incapacitating robbers in the story.

 

I once defended myself overly so against a man with a gun. The only reason I didnt go to jail is one of the cops interviewing me stopped the tape recorder and told me to say that I didnt know for sure whether or not the other guy had another gun. That was here in the US I imagine things would have been much different in a European nation. 

 

 

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Just now, Farmer77 said:

I once defended myself overly so against a man with a gun. The only reason I didnt go to jail is one of the cops interviewing me stopped the tape recorder and told me to say that I didnt know for sure whether or not the other guy had another gun. That was here in the US I imagine things would have been much different in a European nation. 

 

 

Not really, you can defend yourself until the attacker is down... regardless of how many guns he/she has. But one little additional rage kick and you are in the can too.

Besides that, most European countries have "good Samaritan laws", which means that if you see somebody attacked you have to come to his/her aid. If you don't you are into some filtered air time too.

One of the reasons Germans would never understand that eagerness to get concealed carry licenses is that if they pack a gun and they see a crime committed they are forced by law to intervene. And that can apply if you are illegally packing too.

I don't know how the exact legal status in Finland is, but I imagine that in all "them socialist" countries it is not much different. That is why I syppose that there has to be more to the story than reported by infowars.

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We even have laws here in the states about excessive force. If you have somebody incapacitated, you don't get to keep stabbing them. 

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How can you realistically determine "excessive force" in a situation like that?

You're in your own home, a private space where you normally feel totally at ease. You're suddenly confronted by three attackers, one armed with a gun, and no idea what their intentions are... you're fearing for your very life, possibly the lives of your family. How many of us have been tested enough to know how "excessive" our reactions would be in such dire circumstances.

Total injustice I'd say. If you break into someone's home with criminal intent, you deserve everything you get.

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It's not like he tortured them and how can you be sure that if a robber is not lying of surrendering, if you let him go he would probably kill someone. Just imagine if it's a war will you not shoot a slightly wounded soldier because he might be capable of quickly recovering and fight back. 

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19 hours ago, questionmark said:

Not really, you can defend yourself until the attacker is down... regardless of how many guns he/she has. But one little additional rage kick and you are in the can too.

Besides that, most European countries have "good Samaritan laws", which means that if you see somebody attacked you have to come to his/her aid. If you don't you are into some filtered air time too.

One of the reasons Germans would never understand that eagerness to get concealed carry licenses is that if they pack a gun and they see a crime committed they are forced by law to intervene. And that can apply if you are illegally packing too.

I don't know how the exact legal status in Finland is, but I imagine that in all "them socialist" countries it is not much different. That is why I syppose that there has to be more to the story than reported by infowars.

If this is true, then why were so many *spam filter*ually assaulted in Germany this last year? Shouldn't the whole of the population have risen up and collected all the offenders into custody? My impression was that like 99% of those offenders just walked away.

I think you are overstating things here. Is there a few good links to articles where people honestly went to prison for not assisting someone who was being assaulted?

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Don't they say that if you shoot someone (or stab them), in a home invasion, you should just as well kill them, so they can't stand witness against you, and can't sue you in civil court afterward either? 

I think I'd have just stabbed them all to death and then claimed that they just kept getting back up. I don't feel sorry for these losers one little bit.

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Self defence is about removing the threat. Once that threat is removed anything beyond can be preserved as assault ect.

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On 7/22/2016 at 2:45 PM, DieChecker said:

If this is true, then why were so many *spam filter*ually assaulted in Germany this last year? Shouldn't the whole of the population have risen up and collected all the offenders into custody? My impression was that like 99% of those offenders just walked away.

I think you are overstating things here. Is there a few good links to articles where people honestly went to prison for not assisting someone who was being assaulted?

That is a very good question, in fact, just as there were few indictments against perpetrators there were few indictments against bystander. And all comes down to the same: nobody could identify any except a handful caught on video. In fact, not even a woman who claimed that she was raped could identify anybody and the judge had to acquit, for lack of evidence, the guy she accused because she failed to point him out in the courtroom.

The reason it took the cops days to figure it out was not because they wanted to hide something, it was because they were busy containing brain amputated shooting fireworks into crowds so they had no time for anything else and nobody brought it to their attention either. (there were hardly any 110 -- European version of 911--  calls either)

We will never know what happened and what did not... all we know for certain is that it made a helluva story.

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On 7/22/2016 at 7:48 AM, DieChecker said:

Don't they say that if you shoot someone (or stab them), in a home invasion, you should just as well kill them, so they can't stand witness against you, and can't sue you in civil court afterward either? 

I think I'd have just stabbed them all to death and then claimed that they just kept getting back up. I don't feel sorry for these losers one little bit.

You shouldn't, they're criminals with violent intentions--once that becomes evident, they have forfeited any rights and deserve what they get.  The man was in the right to defend himself.  EVERYONE has that right.  Use whatever means necessary to end a threat.  Once that threat is ended, then it is over.

Finland is another effed-up place that puts the lives of criminals over those of the victim.

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1 hour ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

You shouldn't, they're criminals with violent intentions--once that becomes evident, they have forfeited any rights and deserve what they get.  The man was in the right to defend himself.  EVERYONE has that right.  Use whatever means necessary to end a threat.  Once that threat is ended, then it is over.

Finland is another effed-up place that puts the lives of criminals over those of the victim.

So, the phrase, "...once the threat is ended...", is interesting to me. ]

When is a person with a gun, or with a gun laying within a couple feet, who HAS been shot/hurt/wounded/injured and gone down, but is still conscious and moving, NOT a threat?? If any of the three were still able to crawl around, and there was a loose gun on the floor, when then is that person "done fighting"?

Did the home defender with the knife take away the gun and then continued to attack? I'll probably have to read the details...

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On 7/22/2016 at 6:48 AM, DieChecker said:

Don't they say that if you shoot someone (or stab them), in a home invasion, you should just as well kill them, so they can't stand witness against you, and can't sue you in civil court afterward either? 

I think I'd have just stabbed them all to death and then claimed that they just kept getting back up. I don't feel sorry for these losers one little bit.

Some states have laws now that if you are hurt while trespassing too bad.  The one I live in is like that and it has stood up in court.  A man was trespassing on his 4 wheeler and got clotheslined by a cable, he didn't get a penny.

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Did you know that even in the u.s. self defense isnt allowed everywhere? I was told it is not allowed in sacramento that you must place the attacker under citizens arrest at which point they can do the same and you will both be thrown in jail until the accusations are sorted out. 

I also have been jailed and sentenced to anger management because someone i didnt know entered my house all coked out and slammed my head in the fish tank when i kept ignoring her advances. Then i gave her a big shiner and i got in a lot of trouble for her being two years younger than i. Excuse me officer if i didnt check her id as she was drugged out running amuk and attacking me in my house. Its too bad these kind of things are always up to the officers discretion because they dont often make the best calls.

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Well, you're in California. I'm surprised you're not on death row.

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On 7/22/2016 at 6:48 AM, DieChecker said:

Don't they say that if you shoot someone (or stab them), in a home invasion, you should just as well kill them, so they can't stand witness against you, and can't sue you in civil court afterward either? 

I think I'd have just stabbed them all to death and then claimed that they just kept getting back up. I don't feel sorry for these losers one little bit.

If I feel my life is really threatened - according to the standard of a "reasonable person" -  I will aim for center mass and fire until the the threat is down.  I don't hope for such a chance and I don't do anything that harms others, or even irritates in an unreasonable sense.  If someone makes me hurt them they are really going to have to be the obvious aggressor.  At that point, they smooth brought it on themselves.  Life's hard, don't make it harder by being an animal to others.

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Honestly to me unless someone is torturing a person sadistically then I don't count it as excessive. Even if they are running away. Like how do you know they won't come back for revenge or hurt someone else?

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In my concealed carry class they tough us to unload the whole clip and then when the cops arrive to say "I'm afraid for my life and I want to see a lawyer"

It's sad this has to be taught to people in order to protect the victims who are just defending themselves 

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On ‎21‎/‎07‎/‎2016 at 5:48 PM, ChaosRose said:

We even have laws here in the states about excessive force. If you have somebody incapacitated, you don't get to keep stabbing them. 

We dont get to execute thieves or to treat them to life changing injuries.

The rule of law decides what happens to them.

 

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