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1 minute ago, bmk1245 said:

:nw:

No sarcasm here.

Just to clarify, I was not at all defending the actions of the US or any other nation in supporting anti-government rebellions in a sovereign, foreign nation. I feel those actions are wholly unjustified from a humanistic perspective.

My only quibble was that to suggest those actions aren't "valid" is perhaps the wrong wording, because "validity" is a very subjective concept.

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11 minutes ago, Leonardo said:

Just to clarify, I was not at all defending the actions of the US or any other nation in supporting anti-government rebellions in a sovereign, foreign nation. I feel those actions are wholly unjustified from a humanistic perspective.

My only quibble was that to suggest those actions aren't "valid" is perhaps the wrong wording, because "validity" is a very subjective concept.

Knowing you, I wouldn't had suggested your support what US did in ME, not by a long shot.

Dilemma "humanistic perspective"... What is better: killing thousands by dictator, or killing thousands by intervention? We always can put Pol Pot in pink color, kinda, nice guy he was.

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1 hour ago, bmk1245 said:

Yeah, they are sunnies, but they suredly liked Syrian and Iranian cover for their own anti-Israel agenda before bedlam, and majority came into the help of the "rebels" (I'm still not sure what faction they do favour), while some Hamass leaders were supporting Assad, and (as far as I remember reading while back) some of Hamas militia came into the help of Assad's forces.

It's my undersanting that Hamas ended up supporting the rebels...

[LINK] How Did Hamas's Military Expertise End Up With Syria's Rebels?

[LINK] Assad: Syria has 'No Relation' With Hamas, Will Never Trust It Again

1 hour ago, bmk1245 said:

What first thing do you think Assad (alawite) would do after a win? Wipe out any opposing force (Kurds are quite a FORCE, I mean that) to secure his throne. Who are Kurds (by large)? Sunnies. See where I pointing out? 

Did you know there are decorated Sunnis officers in the Syrian Army?

[LINK] Why Assad's Army Has Not Defected

 

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12 minutes ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

As I already told you, majority of Hamas were against Assad, but there were some Hamas militia groups supporting him. FarsNews (Iranian media), as far as I remember, wrote article 'bout it. Can't find it thought, but seeing how they quickly removed news about explosions in rural territories (two were reported) right away when Russkies fired their mid range missiles from Caspian see, I'm not surprised about that.

12 minutes ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

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Did you know there are decorated Sunnis officers in the Syrian Army?

[LINK] Why Assad's Army Has Not Defected

 

So? These decorated can be shred to pieces after Assad's victory. Useful biomass...

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4 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

So? These decorated can be shred to pieces after Assad's victory. Useful biomass...

I doubt it. Assad's army is secular, that's the difference. It is comprised of Shiites, Alawites, Sunnis, Christians, Druzes...

Shi'a millitas and Hezbollah are only there to fill in for the regime's losses. They are Iran's proxies to help level the field against ISIS and the multitude of Islamist groups who were trying to overthrow Assad (with the West's blessing) for the last 5 years now.

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22 minutes ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

I doubt it. Assad's army is secular, that's the difference. It is comprised of Shiites, Alawites, Sunnis, Christians, Druzes...

Shi'a millitas and Hezbollah are only there to fill in for the regime's losses. They are Iran's proxies to help level the field against ISIS and the multitude of Islamist groups who were trying to overthrow Assad (with the West's blessing) for the last 5 years now.

Honestly (and I'm ashamed of that) west should support Assad, 'cause dog on the leash is better than bunch of scoundrels running amok. Damn...

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1 hour ago, bmk1245 said:

Honestly (and I'm ashamed of that) west should support Assad, 'cause dog on the leash is better than bunch of scoundrels running amok. Damn...

Not sure why you are ashamed, politics in the middle east usually ends up picking the lesser of two evils.  Only sanctimonious a-holes think they have all the answers but the monster of yesterday is the ally of today is business as usual in the ME.  Sanctimonious, leftist man-childs are always happy to lecture on errors but when handed the reins of power have failed at an epic level. 

The left loves to lecture us on the mistakes of administrations past but when finally put in complete control they have failed at a phenomenal level.  Their hubris is represented by POTUS who still has the balls to walk up to the mic and tell us how well he has done while the world burns around him.  More debt than all presidents in history combined, worst recovery from a recession in US history, worst GDP growth record in US history, most corrupt DoJ in US history, worst foreign policy in US history and on and on yet the democrats still blame past administrations.  Worst of all is Hillary promises more of the same and the democrats and leftists cheer.   

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19 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

  Worst of all is Hillary promises more of the same and the democrats and leftists cheer.   

Merc - I feel compelled to ask you a question. And I don't want you to get cranky with me for asking it.

I do realise how much you passionately detest the Obama administration and of course Hillary Clinton - which btw is completely understandable and justified.

But the question begs itself - what...just what if  Clinton does become your next POTUS.

How well will you handle it on an emotional level being for the next 4 years ? 

(If you would rather not answer this - then that's fine) 

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2 hours ago, Astra. said:

Merc - I feel compelled to ask you a question. And I don't want you to get cranky with me for asking it.

I do realise how much you passionately detest the Obama administration and of course Hillary Clinton - which btw is completely understandable and justified.

But the question begs itself - what...just what if  Clinton does become your next POTUS.

How well will you handle it on an emotional level being for the next 4 years ? 

(If you would rather not answer this - then that's fine) 

Merc can certainly speak for himself but I'd like a shot at this one also.  There are many millions of Americans who will be disgusted if she wins.  If she also sets out to continue governing as Obama has by ignoring Congress and simply doing most of what he has wanted to do then we may be at a breaking point.  This isn't about simple Left Right politics any longer.  This is about one side ignoring the fundamental rules our nation was founded on.  That being the case, our founders reminded us of the cure:

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. "

And yes, it really IS that simple and that serious at this point.

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2 hours ago, and then said:

Merc can certainly speak for himself but I'd like a shot at this one also.  There are many millions of Americans who will be disgusted if she wins.  If she also sets out to continue governing as Obama has by ignoring Congress and simply doing most of what he has wanted to do then we may be at a breaking point.  This isn't about simple Left Right politics any longer.  This is about one side ignoring the fundamental rules our nation was founded on.  That being the case, our founders reminded us of the cure:

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. "

And yes, it really IS that simple and that serious at this point.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. It appears there will be more unsettling times ahead. There is speculation that Trump may step down (could be just rumour)...

 Also.. the latest news on this roller-coaster of an election is that many high profile Republicans are jumping ship and are now supporting Clinton.  

 

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9 hours ago, Astra. said:

Merc - I feel compelled to ask you a question. And I don't want you to get cranky with me for asking it.

I do realise how much you passionately detest the Obama administration and of course Hillary Clinton - which btw is completely understandable and justified.

But the question begs itself - what...just what if  Clinton does become your next POTUS.

How well will you handle it on an emotional level being for the next 4 years ? 

(If you would rather not answer this - then that's fine) 

Well, if one looks at her performance to date, which is nothing but failures and then considers that she promises four more years of Obama's disastrous time in office then one comes to the conclusion that a collapse of some kind is coming.   I will be more sad for my child than myself as the country he will grow up in will bear no resemblance to the one I was raised in.   The problem is both Obama nd Clinton are acolytes of Saul Alinsky and if you read his recipe for how to create a socialist stae you are left with oinly one conclusion about where these two want to take us"

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

 

1) Healthcare: Control healthcare and you control the people.

2) Poverty: Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt: Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control: Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives, (food, housing, income).

6) Education:Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion: Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.

8) Class Warfare: Divide the people into wealthy and poor. This will cause discontent and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

If you are a socialist, read the above and then consider Obama's last 8 years in office you'd be a pretty happy camper about now.  Hillary will finish this and then you may as well tear the constitution up as she will get 3 justices on the SCOTUS.  The great experiment will have ended in a whimper and my kid gets to grow up in a miserable, broke, devastated US (remember, Obama is the first president to see the US credit rating slip from AAA)

 

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46 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

Well, if one looks at her performance to date, which is nothing but failures and then considers that she promises four more years of Obama's disastrous time in office then one comes to the conclusion that a collapse of some kind is coming.   I will be more sad for my child than myself as the country he will grow up in will bear no resemblance to the one I was raised in.   The problem is both Obama nd Clinton are acolytes of Saul Alinsky and if you read his recipe for how to create a socialist stae you are left with oinly one conclusion about where these two want to take us"

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

 

1) Healthcare: Control healthcare and you control the people.

2) Poverty: Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt: Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control: Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare: Take control of every aspect of their lives, (food, housing, income).

6) Education:Take control of what people read and listen to; take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion: Remove the belief in God from the government and schools.

8) Class Warfare: Divide the people into wealthy and poor. This will cause discontent and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

If you are a socialist, read the above and then consider Obama's last 8 years in office you'd be a pretty happy camper about now.  Hillary will finish this and then you may as well tear the constitution up as she will get 3 justices on the SCOTUS.  The great experiment will have ended in a whimper and my kid gets to grow up in a miserable, broke, devastated US (remember, Obama is the first president to see the US credit rating slip from AAA)

 

If she cannot find a way to turn the economy around - and I don't believe this is even her goal - then I believe there are enough freedom loving Americans left to see the truth and finally act on it.  Some (not all) of our cousins across the pond will see those words and cry treason.  America was FOUNDED from such "treason".  Frankly I believe the US government would prefer to just allow an economic collapse and the concurrent chaos it would precipitate so that the people were busy with just trying to survive rather than removing the b******* from office.  I've never heard any plausible explanation of how ANY nation could ever repay 19 trillion dollars.  With the ECB beginning to create magic money as well it seems the future is set.  Our choices seem to be war or economic collapse or some combination thereof. 

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