jethrofloyd Posted July 23, 2016 #1 Share Posted July 23, 2016 7 Bizarre Ancient Cultures That History Forgot http://www.livescience.com/55430-bizarre-ancient-cultures.html The Etruscans had a thriving society in northern Italy from about 700 B.C. to about 500 B.C., when they began to be absorbed by the Roman Republic. They developed a unique written language and left behind luxurious family tombs, including one belonging to a prince that was first excavated in 2013. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted July 23, 2016 #2 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Most of these are a great example of how history tends mightily towards the Eurocentric. But the IVC and Etrucscans? History's hardly forgotten them. That's more along the lines of "the author didn't bother to do enough research to get to grips with what modern history knows/studies"... --Jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted July 23, 2016 #3 Share Posted July 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: Most of these are a great example of how history tends mightily towards the Eurocentric. But the IVC and Etrucscans? History's hardly forgotten them. That's more along the lines of "the author didn't bother to do enough research to get to grips with what modern history knows/studies"... --Jaylemurph Good point. What about the Chacapoyans or the Zapotec or the Mississippians or most any ancient culture from the Americas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted July 23, 2016 #4 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Çatalhöyük is much better representative culture and only found 50 or so years ago. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1405 Edited July 24, 2016 by Hanslune 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted July 24, 2016 #5 Share Posted July 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Hanslune said: Çatalhöyük is much better representative culture and only found 50 or so years ago. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1405 WHAT ! I had no idea people were still living there ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted July 24, 2016 #6 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I couldnt check the artical, got bombed by so many adverts that my puter chucked a tantie . Hope I didnt miss anything interesting ... like a section on Gonur and its artifacts ; 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted July 24, 2016 #7 Share Posted July 24, 2016 5 hours ago, Hanslune said: Çatalhöyük is much better representative culture and only found 50 or so years ago. http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1405 That nice house with the big courtyard at lower-right is my new summer home. Stop by some time. Catalhoyük is an excellent example for this topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted July 24, 2016 #8 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I was hoping it'd mention some of the lesser known sites in the US. 6 hours ago, jaylemurph said: Most of these are a great example of how history tends mightily towards the Eurocentric. But the IVC and Etrucscans? History's hardly forgotten them. That's more along the lines of "the author didn't bother to do enough research to get to grips with what modern history knows/studies"... --Jaylemurph Usually these articles are more for the general public who aren't as familiar with history like we are. Lot of people haven't heard of the Etruscans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethrofloyd Posted July 24, 2016 Author #9 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Any recent news on the Hasankeyf archeological site in southern Turkey? Some time ago it was claimed they discovered a temple even older than Göbekli Tepe, there. Unfortunately much of the archeological sites are at risk of being flooded with the completion of the Ilsu Dam. http://www.hasankeyfkazıları.org.tr/en/home/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted July 24, 2016 #10 Share Posted July 24, 2016 9 hours ago, kmt_sesh said: That nice house with the big courtyard at lower-right is my new summer home. Stop by some time. Catalhoyük is an excellent example for this topic. The comparison to Pueblo architecture is also interesting... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted July 24, 2016 #11 Share Posted July 24, 2016 9 hours ago, shadowsot said: I was hoping it'd mention some of the lesser known sites in the US. Usually these articles are more for the general public who aren't as familiar with history like we are. Lot of people haven't heard of the Etruscans. Ah wanted to test that so emailed my nieces and nephews. All college graduates or in college now 1 hadn't, 3 had some vague idea who they were but not where, 2 knew the basics, 1 nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted July 24, 2016 #12 Share Posted July 24, 2016 13 hours ago, back to earth said: WHAT ! I had no idea people were still living there ! I visited there in '83 when the site was abandoned so not much to see - yeah the folks had really let the place go to the dogs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethrofloyd Posted July 24, 2016 Author #13 Share Posted July 24, 2016 13 minutes ago, Hanslune said: I visited there in '83 when the site was abandoned so not much to see - yeah the folks had really let the place go to the dogs! Have you seen Nevali Çori perhaps? Before it has been inundated by the dammed waters of the Euphrates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted July 24, 2016 #14 Share Posted July 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said: Have you seen Nevali Çori perhaps? Before it has been inundated by the dammed waters of the Euphrates. Unfortunately not but I did do a thread on it some years ago: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread807686/pg1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted July 24, 2016 #15 Share Posted July 24, 2016 15 hours ago, jethrofloyd said: Any recent news on the Hasankeyf archeological site in southern Turkey? Some time ago it was claimed they discovered a temple even older than Göbekli Tepe, there. Unfortunately much of the archeological sites are at risk of being flooded with the completion of the Ilsu Dam. http://www.hasankeyfkazıları.org.tr/en/home/ That is being flooded ! Oh nooooo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 25, 2016 #16 Share Posted July 25, 2016 22 hours ago, back to earth said: ~snip Hope I didnt miss anything interesting ... like a section on Gonur and its artifacts ; A lot of people and experts have no idea how technologically 'advanced' those artifacts are in terms of 'metallurgy' ~ no not 'aliens' technologically advanced 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted July 25, 2016 #17 Share Posted July 25, 2016 This is a very cool topic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplybill Posted July 25, 2016 #18 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Very interesting link, Jethro! I've been reading "House or Rain" by Craig Childs, about the Anasazis of Chaco Canyon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000OT7U78/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1#navbar That led me to Anna Sofaer's documentary about the alignment of Anasazi structures to the 18 1/2-year cycle of the moon. It boggles my mind to think of the patience it took to track the moon's orbit long enough to understand that there actually was a cycle! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplybill Posted July 25, 2016 #19 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The book title is "House OF Rain". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted July 25, 2016 #20 Share Posted July 25, 2016 12 hours ago, Hanslune said: On 7/23/2016 at 6:31 PM, back to earth said: WHAT ! I had no idea people were still living there ! I visited there in '83 when the site was abandoned so not much to see - yeah the folks had really let the place go to the dogs! Hanslune, what was the building material? Was the climate dry? I am wondering about a flat roof in the rain. Pueblo style in the southwest, you might not need to worry about rain too often, might be an issue in other places. They could be covered in bitumen, but that seems over the top. (Excuse the pun) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted July 25, 2016 #21 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tatetopa said: I don't recall I've linked to a PDF of the main excavators book on the site and it probably has those details. See page 55 https://ia801708.us.archive.org/6/items/Catal-huyuk.ANeolithicTownInAnatolia/MellaartJ.Catal-huyuk.ANeolithicTownInAnatolia1967.pdf First part of page 55 Page 56 etc see link for the rest of the book Edited July 25, 2016 by Hanslune 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSilhouette Posted July 25, 2016 #22 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I've been interested in this culture you just don't hear a lot about:: "When the Sahara Turned from Green to Brown--Postglacial Climate Change and Human Settlement in Central Sahara, 12,000 - 2,500 BC."@ibm.net> Abstract: For decades, archeologists have been aware of evidence suggesting that the Sahara Desert was much wetter and greener thousands of years ago. It is now possible to characterize these locations, in terms of both aquatic and terrestrial biota, but by also providing some data on the human inhabitants of these ecotomes. This thesis focused primarily on the features of human settlement in the central Sahara, looking at lifestyles of the people and examining factors favoring a wetlands economy. Finally, as the once-favorable conditions began disappearing, analysis of the destiny of these Saharan peoples is made... ...In addition to more temperate plant and animal species moving into the Sahara, the increased moisture resulted in lakes and rivers filling far beyond their prior capacity. In some cases, rivers breached their normal watershed, connecting with other systems. This allowed a broader distribution of aquatic species. In some areas, there were widespread wetlands. The earliest such sites, when associated with human habitation, date from ~7000 BC (with harpoons) and 6000 BC (wavy-line pottery). Because they used pottery, these cultures were originally considered some kind of Aquatic Neolithic... http://www.h-net.org/~africa/biblio/Winshall.html ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted July 25, 2016 #23 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, SSilhouette said: I've been interested in this culture you just don't hear a lot about:: Its now called the he Neolithic Subpluvial, or the Holocene Wet Phase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Subpluvial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_climate_cycles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted July 25, 2016 #24 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, simplybill said: Very interesting link, Jethro! I've been reading "House or Rain" by Craig Childs, about the Anasazis of Chaco Canyon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000OT7U78/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1#navbar That led me to Anna Sofaer's documentary about the alignment of Anasazi structures to the 18 1/2-year cycle of the moon. It boggles my mind to think of the patience it took to track the moon's orbit long enough to understand that there actually was a cycle! We got some good ones here .... carved into the rocks ...if one knows what they are looking at. When these two line up , from a special place, it is permissible to gather emu eggs for food . Ancient 'law' . Edited July 25, 2016 by back to earth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted July 25, 2016 #25 Share Posted July 25, 2016 I would throw the Cahokian civilization into this conversation. While not forgotten, it is amazing how many people are not aware of the size. http://www.historynet.com/cahokian-indians-americas-ancient-warriors.htm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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