Careful_perspective Posted July 27, 2016 #151 Share Posted July 27, 2016 20 minutes ago, odas said: They say but muslim nations is not one country. How much do you know about russia? Not much. I know a lot. I even speak some russian. Do you know that america has no chance against their machinery and manpower? But Putin is smart. He will not sacrifise one of his man because the way you guys are going you will do the job for him. Where I come from there was always the say, better american poop then a russian cake. I am afraid you will not learn from our experience but from yourown. Sarah Palin was right on the backyard story. Should make you think. Maybe Putin will want to renegotiate some bad deals too??? No offense, I don't put much faith into anecdotal evidence, and I definitely don't when its anecdotal evidence from people on the internet. 7 minutes ago, F3SS said: Available Manpower? USA 3rd, Russia 8th http://www.globalfirepower.com/available-military-manpower.asp Active Manpower? USA 2nd, Russia 4th http://www.globalfirepower.com/active-military-manpower.asp Our numbers are nearly twice as much or better in each category. Airpower? USA 1st with 13k+, Russia 2nd with 3.5k http://www.globalfirepower.com/aircraft-total.asp Tanks? Russia 1st with 15k+, USA 3rd with 8k+ http://www.globalfirepower.com/armor-tanks-total.asp We both fair about even on the sea. Overall categories we are 1st and they are 2nd. To claim no chance? Absurd. ^^ This is what I care about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Socks Junior Posted July 27, 2016 #152 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Rose, if you're going to copy and paste large blocks of text from somewhere without any original thought, the least contribution you could make would be to fix the grammatical errors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted July 27, 2016 #153 Share Posted July 27, 2016 20 minutes ago, socrates.junior said: Rose, if you're going to copy and paste large blocks of text from somewhere without any original thought, the least contribution you could make would be to fix the grammatical errors. If people hurl out supposed facts, I can counter them, one at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted July 27, 2016 #154 Share Posted July 27, 2016 The National Debt as of July 27 2016: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/debt_central.php Today’s Federal Debt is about $19,450,607,350,000. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted July 27, 2016 #155 Share Posted July 27, 2016 40 minutes ago, Rinna said: No offense, I don't put much faith into anecdotal evidence, and I definitely don't when its anecdotal evidence from people on the internet. ^^ This is what I care about. Anecdotal evidence? Ok. How old are you? I am fifty. Originaly from Bosnia or if you are familiar from ex Yugoslavia. I have had to deal with russians. Not the fine way. Are american soldiers ready to kill babies? Are they ready to rape them before they kill them or the other way arround? Are they ready to cut them in pieces throw them to the dogs? Are they? About russia and their way of war you do not have the slightest clue. I do but I wish I would not. God bless America and all their Democrats and Republicans and their people and soldiers. Trump is none of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted July 27, 2016 #156 Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, F3SS said: Really? Without anybody else being involved a POTUS has a literal red button under his desk that he can personally press at any given time that will launch a nuclear arsenal? No codes? No military general to turn a key in synchronicity with? Look, anyone with a brain cell knows that technically we can blast our missiles off at any time but Trump or whoever seriously cannot just throw a tantrum and smack a button which is the dramatic picture Rose has been painting for some time now. It's the most irrational cartoonish thing anybody can keep saying. I bet the button say ACME on it too. I'm not so much worried that Trump will push the button than I am him upsetting a certain North Korean dictator with his tactful speeches and getting a few thousand American servicemen in South Korea nuked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varelse Posted July 27, 2016 Author #157 Share Posted July 27, 2016 As a former Marine I can tell you the only army we respected across the board was Russia's. A lot of their training makes ours look childish. What they lack in equipment they make up for with brutal tactics. South Korea's Marines also get deserved respect as psycho-badasses but they're our friends. As for minorities supporting Trump, I thought that's what all his white male voters called themselves. I didn't know actual minorities outside a few successful business person here and there support the king of buffoons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careful_perspective Posted July 28, 2016 #158 Share Posted July 28, 2016 43 minutes ago, odas said: Anecdotal evidence? Ok. How old are you? I am fifty. Originaly from Bosnia or if you are familiar from ex Yugoslavia. I have had to deal with russians. Not the fine way. Are american soldiers ready to kill babies? Are they ready to rape them before they kill them or the other way arround? Are they ready to cut them in pieces throw them to the dogs? Are they? About russia and their way of war you do not have the slightest clue. I do but I wish I would not. God bless America and all their Democrats and Republicans and their people and soldiers. Trump is none of them. I respect where you've come from, and I would agree you probably far wiser than I am. But I just personally don't like anecdotal evidence, regardless who its coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted July 28, 2016 #159 Share Posted July 28, 2016 On 7/25/2016 at 1:20 PM, Farmer77 said: Julian Assange also hates hillary clinton and has been planning his revenge on her for a long time so that could be driving the whole thing as well. I don't think Putin likes her either. http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/25/dec-2011-hillary-clinton-angers-putin-demands-investigation-into-russian-electoral-fraud/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted July 28, 2016 #160 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChaosRose said: If people hurl out supposed facts, I can counter them, one at a time. Well, you made an error regarding the National Debt. By the time President Obama leaves office the National Debt will have reached 20 trillion (double that of 8 years ago). http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ Edited July 28, 2016 by Lilly 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varelse Posted July 28, 2016 Author #161 Share Posted July 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Lilly said: Well, you made an error regarding the National Debt. By the time President Obama leaves office the National Debt will have reached 20 trillion (double that of 8 years ago). http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ So he was not better, just no different than previous presidents. Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted July 28, 2016 #162 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Varelse said: As a former Marine I can tell you the only army we respected across the board was Russia's. A lot of their training makes ours look childish. What they lack in equipment they make up for with brutal tactics. South Korea's Marines also get deserved respect as psycho-badasses but they're our friends. As for minorities supporting Trump, I thought that's what all his white male voters called themselves. I didn't know actual minorities outside a few successful business person here and there support the king of buffoons. He does have minority supporters. Not like Clinton of course but he does. Quote As seen in the video, these protesters defend Donald Trump against the accusation that he is racist and anti-immigrant by highlighting the corruption of most media outlets. http://rebelpundit.com/haitian-immigrants-protest-against-hillary-at-dnc/ Quote The activists are claiming the money was stolen through the Haiti Reconstruction Commission that was headed by Bill Clinton. In January 2015, the Clinton Foundation was the target of protests for wasting more than $10 billion and awarding contracts to non-Haitian companies. http://freebeacon.com/politics/haitians-protest-outside-hillary-clintons-office-over-billions-stolen-by-clinton-foundation/ Probably shouldn't be too vocal about supporting Trump if you are black. http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/27/black-donald-trump-supporter-shot-in-cleveland-bar/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY Edited July 28, 2016 by Ashotep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted July 28, 2016 #163 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Varelse said: As a former Marine I can tell you the only army we respected across the board was Russia's. A lot of their training makes ours look childish. What they lack in equipment they make up for with brutal tactics. South Korea's Marines also get deserved respect as psycho-badasses but they're our friends. As for minorities supporting Trump, I thought that's what all his white male voters called themselves. I didn't know actual minorities outside a few successful business person here and there support the king of buffoons. Thanks V. I served in the Yugoslavien War Navy and got out before the war on the balkans started. We had a rigorous training but nothing to compare to the russians. I was urged to stay in the Army because of certain skills I possesed. I was threatened and blackmailed. But I did not want to stay because I saw the writings on the Wall and that the Army was becoming the Serbian Army. I have seen firsthand Russian soldiers already helping out in the army, training and logistics. War is not a game. Not a nice place to be in. Read and listen. I did that is why I am still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted July 28, 2016 #164 Share Posted July 28, 2016 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted July 28, 2016 #165 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) I told my son, “You will marry the girl I choose.” He said, “NO!” I told him, “She is Bill Gates’ daughter.” He said, “OK.” I called Bill Gates and said, “I want your daughter to marry my son.” Bill Gates said, “NO.” I told Bill Gates, My son is the CEO of World Bank.” Bill Gates said, “OK.” I called the President of World Bank and asked him to make my son the CEO. He said, “NO.” I told him, “My son is Bill Gates’ son-in-law.” He said, “OK.” Nuff said... Edited July 28, 2016 by Michelle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted July 28, 2016 #166 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lilly said: Well, you made an error regarding the National Debt. By the time President Obama leaves office the National Debt will have reached 20 trillion (double that of 8 years ago). http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/ And again... How much money has the federal gov't spent since he became president on ALL expenses related to the illegal and unfortunate decision to invade Iraq? (corrected for the grammar natzee) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiBu96oqZXOAhVO5WMKHXlFBOMQFggtMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thomhartmann.com%2Fusers%2Fnealedwards%2Fblog%2F2015%2F11%2Fbring-when-conservative-mentions-obamas-doubled-national-debt&usg=AFQjCNGnLCXH_PBqPsj9-jITrgZ7Ods2-A&sig2=4uRfJxBpmCEgPj-prkErlg And now Trump is the first presidential candidate to ever call for the dictator of a communist country to commit espionage against America. The Republicans were over-the-top trying to make Democratic socialist Bernie into a commie...and here Trump is clearly a commie, and they're cheering for him. And where are those tax returns, Mr. Trump? Have you been on the communist dole? Edited July 28, 2016 by ChaosRose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted July 28, 2016 #167 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Uh...there's this thing called reality and reality functions despite party lines and personal belief. The National Debt has doubled over the last 8 years and no amount of spin can change that. I saw Mr Trump speak (and BTW, I support neither Trump or Clinton) and he said that if Russia had any such e-mails they should turn them over to the FBI (not exactly calling for espionage). The DNC itself conspired to keep Mr Sanders from being nominated and said some very bigoted things about various people. The IRS already has Trump's tax returns and they will be the one to decide if he's done anything illegal (and that may very well happen). Perhaps everyone should look at both parties a bit more objectively...neither side of the aisle is innocent. There's plenty of wrong doing on the part of both the Rs and the Ds. Edited July 28, 2016 by Lilly typo 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincennes Posted July 28, 2016 #168 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I'm afraid I have to call out everyone in this thread. Although there are some people who demonstrate that they are still able to think clearly and some great facts, BUT you all have allowed the Hillary supporters to divert the subject just as the main stream media is doing right now. (Rinna, you consistently do a great job of researching ! Kudos ! and by this I don't mean to leave out others) We have just been given proof positive that the people in control of news have been doing so with NO ETHICS whatsoever ! The problem here is not what the national debt is. It's the fact that Jake Trapper, CNN commentator, was in contact with the Democratic party in order to determine how best to phrase his questions in order to benefit them !!! And even what questions to ask and which not to ask. Then he is allowed to resume his seat and his commentary the very next day with no recrimination. Oh, but it's not just one commentator. We can read high-fives being given because of the fact that MSNBC and CNN managed to succeed in making a paltry three protestors at a Trump rally sound like a massive uprising. AND in fact, those paltry three protesters were DNC interns !!! We now know that the protesters that Trump kept saying were sponsored groups were, in fact, sponsored groups, some being paid for by the DNC. There was a time when Americans would not have allowed this to happen. There was a time when Americans would have recognized that allowing our free press to be taken over by those with absolutely NO ETHICS and that the news fed to the public was determined not by the truth but by controlling entities is a first step down the road of tyranny. No matter what side of the political fence you are on each and every American should be ready to object to that. You see you might just be wrong about dear Hillary and the DNC's motivation to feed everyone what they want to be the news. The next path you are led down might be one even you don't like ! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted July 28, 2016 #169 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Vincennes said: I'm afraid I have to call out everyone in this thread. Although there are some people who demonstrate that they are still able to think clearly and some great facts, BUT you all have allowed the Hillary supporters to divert the subject just as the main stream media is doing right now. (Rinna, you consistently do a great job of researching ! Kudos ! and by this I don't mean to leave out others) We have just been given proof positive that the people in control of news have been doing so with NO ETHICS whatsoever ! The problem here is not what the national debt is. It's the fact that Jake Trapper, CNN commentator, was in contact with the Democratic party in order to determine how best to phrase his questions in order to benefit them !!! And even what questions to ask and which not to ask. Then he is allowed to resume his seat and his commentary the very next day with no recrimination. Oh, but it's not just one commentator. We can read high-fives being given because of the fact that MSNBC and CNN managed to succeed in making a paltry three protestors at a Trump rally sound like a massive uprising. AND in fact, those paltry three protesters were DNC interns !!! We now know that the protesters that Trump kept saying were sponsored groups were, in fact, sponsored groups, some being paid for by the DNC. There was a time when Americans would not have allowed this to happen. There was a time when Americans would have recognized that allowing our free press to be taken over by those with absolutely NO ETHICS and that the news fed to the public was determined not by the truth but by controlling entities is a first step down the road of tyranny. No matter what side of the political fence you are on each and every American should be ready to object to that. You see you might just be wrong about dear Hillary and the DNC's motivation to feed everyone what they want to be the news. The next path you are led down might be one even you don't like ! I wish I could like this post 10 to 15 times instead of once! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skliss Posted July 28, 2016 #170 Share Posted July 28, 2016 14 hours ago, odas said: Anecdotal evidence? Ok. How old are you? I am fifty. Originaly from Bosnia or if you are familiar from ex Yugoslavia. I have had to deal with russians. Not the fine way. Are american soldiers ready to kill babies? Are they ready to rape them before they kill them or the other way arround? Are they ready to cut them in pieces throw them to the dogs? Are they? About russia and their way of war you do not have the slightest clue. I do but I wish I would not. God bless America and all their Democrats and Republicans and their people and soldiers. Trump is none of them. This has nothing to do with anything....but my cousin's grandmother was from Yugoslavia. I considered her just another grandmother...she was the sweetest person imaginable. One of my best memories of her is her letting us try and make Easter eggs with wax as children while she powered out these amazingly beautiful, colorful, geometric black, red, white and yellow eggs. I wish we had preserved some of them! Sorry for the interruption! Just popped into my head. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted July 28, 2016 #171 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Vincennes said: I'm afraid I have to call out everyone in this thread. Although there are some people who demonstrate that they are still able to think clearly and some great facts, BUT you all have allowed the Hillary supporters to divert the subject just as the main stream media is doing right now. (Rinna, you consistently do a great job of researching ! Kudos ! and by this I don't mean to leave out others) We have just been given proof positive that the people in control of news have been doing so with NO ETHICS whatsoever ! The problem here is not what the national debt is. It's the fact that Jake Trapper, CNN commentator, was in contact with the Democratic party in order to determine how best to phrase his questions in order to benefit them !!! And even what questions to ask and which not to ask. Then he is allowed to resume his seat and his commentary the very next day with no recrimination. Oh, but it's not just one commentator. We can read high-fives being given because of the fact that MSNBC and CNN managed to succeed in making a paltry three protestors at a Trump rally sound like a massive uprising. AND in fact, those paltry three protesters were DNC interns !!! We now know that the protesters that Trump kept saying were sponsored groups were, in fact, sponsored groups, some being paid for by the DNC. There was a time when Americans would not have allowed this to happen. There was a time when Americans would have recognized that allowing our free press to be taken over by those with absolutely NO ETHICS and that the news fed to the public was determined not by the truth but by controlling entities is a first step down the road of tyranny. No matter what side of the political fence you are on each and every American should be ready to object to that. You see you might just be wrong about dear Hillary and the DNC's motivation to feed everyone what they want to be the news. The next path you are led down might be one even you don't like ! I agree, people should be outraged by all this . But no one's cares, too busy playing Pokemon Go lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted July 29, 2016 #172 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Rumors of more to come: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/julian-assange-says-clinton-camps-reaction-to-emails-could-give-way-to-conflict/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincennes Posted July 29, 2016 #173 Share Posted July 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Lilly said: Rumors of more to come: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/julian-assange-says-clinton-camps-reaction-to-emails-could-give-way-to-conflict/ One of the things that the author of "Crisis of Character" talks about is Hillary's extreme paranoia. One of the very first things the Clinton's did upon Bill Clinton taking office was rip out a brand new telephone system that the Bush Administration had just installed. They were so darned beside themselves to rip it out, thinking that the Bush's had done it to listen in on their telephone conversations, they neglected to see if there was money in the budget to cover the expenditure which was a goodly amount and ended up with a big tado trying to find the money. I believe the political paranoia talked about in the book actually carries a psychological explanation of Hillary's actions establishing her own server and her fears about her personal emails. She was ready to sacrifice our national security interests rather than have her behind the scenes communications revealed. Now it's come to bite her in the axx. But will all of you who now want to change and divert from the travesties in those emails to who hacked them please tell me how you have somehow just now figured out that the Russians have the capacity to hack emails ? How do you remain so at peace with the FBI's statement that the Secretary of State's server was not hacked and our national security jeopardized and penetrated by this woman ? Yet see it to be some kind of intelligent response to the DNC's hack to jump up and down screaming and pointing to Russians in the woodwork. Ridiculous ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFO_Monster Posted July 30, 2016 #174 Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) On 7/28/2016 at 6:42 AM, Lilly said: Uh...there's this thing called reality and reality functions despite party lines and personal belief. The National Debt has doubled over the last 8 years and no amount of spin can change that. I saw Mr Trump speak (and BTW, I support neither Trump or Clinton) and he said that if Russia had any such e-mails they should turn them over to the FBI (not exactly calling for espionage). The DNC itself conspired to keep Mr Sanders from being nominated and said some very bigoted things about various people. The IRS already has Trump's tax returns and they will be the one to decide if he's done anything illegal (and that may very well happen). Perhaps everyone should look at both parties a bit more objectively...neither side of the aisle is innocent. There's plenty of wrong doing on the part of both the Rs and the Ds. I normally wouldn't go out of my way to highlight one part of a post, but for this I will make an exception. It's not that people don't recognize that neither side is innocent. They just don't care. They believe what they want to believe, even if they know that they're wrong, or that they can stand for more. Complacency is the American way, after all. Edited July 30, 2016 by UFO_Monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted July 30, 2016 #175 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Interesting speculation here regarding why Russia might want to 'mess with' American politics: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/27/12304448/putin-elections-dnc-hack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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