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On July 25, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Hammerclaw said:

Rocks and dirt and oh, look! More rocks and dirt.

Why are you so salty?

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3 hours ago, MalonskiJr said:

Why are you so salty?

Cthulhu?

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On 7/27/2016 at 10:19 AM, Merc14 said:

WU, Curiosity has been operational on the surface since 2012 so not really new.  ;)  They are launching another Rover, built on pretty much the same chassis but with a different science package, in 2020 with a landing date in 2021. 

yes they'll finally update their cameras to 2,2 mega pixels by then!

for God's sake, forget about Mars, go to Titan. It may e crowded with life!

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On 2/8/2016 at 7:50 PM, MalonskiJr said:

Why are you so salty?

Wondering if you'll stick around and add anything of value. Plenty of reasons to be salty when you've been here for years and see the same posts over and over with little or no credibility (as we've seen demonstrated perfectly with this thread).

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11 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

yes they'll finally update their cameras to 2,2 mega pixels by then!

for God's sake, forget about Mars, go to Titan. It may e crowded with life!

Just so real people know, the lower resolution cameras on Curiosity QX is whining about are the hazard cameras or HazCams.  They are strictly for hazard avoidance and matched in pairs to create a 3D rendering of the landscape.  The 1024pixel x 1024pixel images are adequate for the job yet take up less bandwidth on transmissions back to earth.  Higher resolution means less images transmitted on the limited transmission times available and that makes little sense (unless you are qxcontnuum) when you want more images of the terrain rather than higher resolution of hazards you are trying to get around or over.     

For hiogher resolution images Curiosity uses the MastCam, a far more powerful High Definition multspectral camera which takes beauties like this ' 9c3f14ca01_curiosity_fev14-nasaJPL.jpg

In all likelihood, since the bandwidth available around Mars isn't likely to change all that much it is doubtful that NASA would use much more powerful HazCams because they just aren't necessary, so qx will be able to whine for the next decade at least.

 

BTW, qx, aren't you the one that is so sure an ancient civilization or at least mollusk like life resided(s) on Mars?  Rover 2020 is designed to prove that one way or another and now you are saying just move on.  Why?  Also, do you know hat those lakes on Titan are filled with?

 

 

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On July 25, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I allways find it weird when people use freely available images from NASA in order to prove that NASA is covering something up

Sometimes it is good to step back a little and ask yourself this question: Does this make any sense ?

Agreed. I'm a shamed to say I fell for one of NASA's "cover ups" over a asteroid that people said was gonna hit earth many years back. Of course when asked why NASA was saying it wasn't gonna hit, it was a "cover up". Well it didn't hit obviously. So I laugh now at the people who say NASA has no credibility. Even though NASA is always right, an those folks in turn are always wrong.

 

Not to say I don't think they might cover something like that up to stop a panic, but as of now I can't see why people think NASA is so deceptive.

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5 hours ago, Merc14 said:

Just so real people know, the lower resolution cameras on Curiosity QX is whining about are the hazard cameras or HazCams.  They are strictly for hazard avoidance and matched in pairs to create a 3D rendering of the landscape.  The 1024pixel x 1024pixel images are adequate for the job yet take up less bandwidth on transmissions back to earth.  Higher resolution means less images transmitted on the limited transmission times available and that makes little sense (unless you are qxcontnuum) when you want more images of the terrain rather than higher resolution of hazards you are trying to get around or over.     

For hiogher resolution images Curiosity uses the MastCam, a far more powerful High Definition multspectral camera which takes beauties like this ' 9c3f14ca01_curiosity_fev14-nasaJPL.jpg

In all likelihood, since the bandwidth available around Mars isn't likely to change all that much it is doubtful that NASA would use much more powerful HazCams because they just aren't necessary, so qx will be able to whine for the next decade at least.

 

BTW, qx, aren't you the one that is so sure an ancient civilization or at least mollusk like life resided(s) on Mars?  Rover 2020 is designed to prove that one way or another and now you are saying just move on.  Why?  Also, do you know hat those lakes on Titan are filled with?

 

 

Hal Clement would have filled them with something. He was a master of envisioning life, not as we know it. The one universal constant is--wherever you go dirt and rocks look pretty much the same. For some reason I always thought Martian rocks and dirt would be somehow more romantical. Instead, it looks like Georgia red clay.

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On 7/26/2016 at 7:15 AM, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I think this shows convincingly that there are aliens on Mars. Lust look in the lower left part of the image and you will see something that is clearly not a natural object. :rolleyes:


Pareidolia   ....   that what it is .   Just because the ricks are pied up in a certain way  , you think it looks like something. All I can see is some rocks with sharp angles and stuff.  

You need to get your eyes checked maybe ? 

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Oh wait .... that's the thumbnail ... 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Merc14 said:

Just so real people know, the lower resolution cameras on Curiosity QX is whining about are the hazard cameras or HazCams.  They are strictly for hazard avoidance and matched in pairs to create a 3D rendering of the landscape.  The 1024pixel x 1024pixel images are adequate for the job yet take up less bandwidth on transmissions back to earth.  Higher resolution means less images transmitted on the limited transmission times available and that makes little sense (unless you are qxcontnuum) when you want more images of the terrain rather than higher resolution of hazards you are trying to get around or over.     

For hiogher resolution images Curiosity uses the MastCam, a far more powerful High Definition multspectral camera which takes beauties like this ' 9c3f14ca01_curiosity_fev14-nasaJPL.jpg

In all likelihood, since the bandwidth available around Mars isn't likely to change all that much it is doubtful that NASA would use much more powerful HazCams because they just aren't necessary, so qx will be able to whine for the next decade at least.

 

BTW, qx, aren't you the one that is so sure an ancient civilization or at least mollusk like life resided(s) on Mars?  Rover 2020 is designed to prove that one way or another and now you are saying just move on.  Why?  Also, do you know hat those lakes on Titan are filled with?

 

 

 

Shattered Ewoks?

.oO(cool...did this from my phone...and it looks like it worked)

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On 8/7/2016 at 6:28 AM, qxcontinuum said:

yes they'll finally update their cameras to 2,2 mega pixels by then!

for God's sake, forget about Mars, go to Titan. It may e crowded with life!

Didn't you just recently conclude that Mars was once teeming with advanced life?  And now you're saying to forget about Mars and go explore somewhere else?

It's almost like you're just making this stuff up off the top of your head as you post here...

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2 hours ago, JesseCuster said:

It's almost like you're just making this stuff up off the top of your head as you post here...

fist bump puppy - I  agree

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On 8/7/2016 at 11:05 AM, Merc14 said:

 

BTW, qx, aren't you the one that is so sure an ancient civilization or at least mollusk like life resided(s) on Mars?  Rover 2020 is designed to prove that one way or another and now you are saying just move on.  Why?  Also, do you know hat those lakes on Titan are filled with?

 

 

an article to your liking; 

Titan appears to have lakes of liquid ethane or liquid methane on its surface, as well as rivers and seas, which some scientific models suggest could support hypothetical non-water-based life .[19][20][21] It has been speculated that life could exist in the liquid methane and ethane that form rivers and lakes on Titan's surface, just as organisms on Earth live in water.[30] Such hypothetical creatures would take in H2 in place of O2, react it with acetylene instead of glucose, and produce methane instead of carbon dioxide.[30] By comparison, somemethanogens on Earth obtain energy by reacting hydrogen with carbon dioxide, producing methane and water.

In 2005, astrobiologists Chris McKay and Heather Smith predicted that if methanogenic life is consuming atmospheric hydrogen in sufficient volume, it will have a measurable effect on the mixing ratio in the troposphere of Titan. The effects predicted included a level of acetylene much lower than otherwise expected, as well as a reduction in the concentration of hydrogen itself.[30]

Evidence consistent with these predictions was reported in June 2010 by Darrell Strobel of Johns Hopkins University, who analysed measurements of hydrogen concentration in the upper and lower atmosphere. Strobel found that the hydrogen concentration in the upper atmosphere is so much larger than near the surface that the physics of diffusion leads to hydrogen flowing downwards at a rate of roughly 1025 molecules per second. Near the surface the downward-flowing hydrogen apparently disappears.[29][30][31] Another paper released the same month showed very low levels of acetylene on Titan's surface.[29]

Chris McKay agreed with Strobel that presence of life, as suggested in McKay's 2005 article, is a possible explanation for the findings about hydrogen and acetylene, but also cautioned that other explanations are currently more likely: namely the possibility that the results are due to human error, to a meteorological process, or to the presence of some mineral catalyst enabling hydrogen and acetylene to react chemically.[1][32] He noted that such a catalyst, one effective at −178 °C (95 K), is presently unknown and would in itself be a startling discovery, though less startling than discovery of an extraterrestrial life form.[1]

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14 hours ago, JesseCuster said:

Didn't you just recently conclude that Mars was once teeming with advanced life?  And now you're saying to forget about Mars and go explore somewhere else?

It's almost like you're just making this stuff up off the top of your head as you post here...

Mars does not require another rover . The success of curiosity's mission on Mars and its findings / relevancy to science is disputed among the scientific world with some serious negative outlook. Sending a clone of curiosity is increasingly frustrating. 

The fact Nasa continues in its stubbornness to send rovers repeatedly to mars without telling the public exactly is weird since the planet is death. See above why for instance Titan will be more interesting.

 

Now keep on laughing and discredit those who are not easily digesting your little expensive toys and shenanigans.

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7 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

Mars does not require another rover . The success of curiosity's mission on Mars and its findings / relevancy to science is disputed among the scientific world with some serious negative outlook. Sending a clone of curiosity is increasingly frustrating. 

The fact Nasa continues in its stubbornness to send rovers repeatedly to mars without telling the public exactly is weird since the planet is death. See above why for instance Titan will be more interesting.

 

Now keep on laughing and discredit those who are not easily digesting your little expensive toys and shenanigans.

Mars does require more rovers. It needs rovers with other capabilities. The good part about Mars is that it is close enough to work with multiple rovers exploring different areas of Mars. Qxcontinuum, imagine the exploration of Earth. Should we skip Antarctica or the deep oceans? Should we skip Canada because it is just like the US?

A Titan probe would be nice, but the terrain and the distance and the temperature and other factors make Titan much more difficult. A rover has to deal with colder conditions, liquids, freezing  up, etc. Mars is a good candidate for learning how to make probes that are able to collect information with reduced human intervention.

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7 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

an article to your liking; 

Titan appears to have lakes of liquid ethane or liquid methane on its surface, as well as rivers and seas, which some scientific models suggest could support hypothetical non-water-based life .[19][20][21] It has been speculated that life could exist in the liquid methane and ethane that form rivers and lakes on Titan's surface, just as organisms on Earth live in water.[30] Such hypothetical creatures would take in H2 in place of O2, react it with acetylene instead of glucose, and produce methane instead of carbon dioxide.[30] By comparison, somemethanogens on Earth obtain energy by reacting hydrogen with carbon dioxide, producing methane and water.

In 2005, astrobiologists Chris McKay and Heather Smith predicted that if methanogenic life is consuming atmospheric hydrogen in sufficient volume, it will have a measurable effect on the mixing ratio in the troposphere of Titan. The effects predicted included a level of acetylene much lower than otherwise expected, as well as a reduction in the concentration of hydrogen itself.[30]

Evidence consistent with these predictions was reported in June 2010 by Darrell Strobel of Johns Hopkins University, who analysed measurements of hydrogen concentration in the upper and lower atmosphere. Strobel found that the hydrogen concentration in the upper atmosphere is so much larger than near the surface that the physics of diffusion leads to hydrogen flowing downwards at a rate of roughly 1025 molecules per second. Near the surface the downward-flowing hydrogen apparently disappears.[29][30][31] Another paper released the same month showed very low levels of acetylene on Titan's surface.[29]

Chris McKay agreed with Strobel that presence of life, as suggested in McKay's 2005 article, is a possible explanation for the findings about hydrogen and acetylene, but also cautioned that other explanations are currently more likely: namely the possibility that the results are due to human error, to a meteorological process, or to the presence of some mineral catalyst enabling hydrogen and acetylene to react chemically.[1][32] He noted that such a catalyst, one effective at −178 °C (95 K), is presently unknown and would in itself be a startling discovery, though less startling than discovery of an extraterrestrial life form.[1]

When you cut and paste an entire section of an article you are required to post a link to said article.  I can say, with great confidence, that you have no idea what is being discussed in the above article  but the hypothesis that some kind of organism is consuming the hydrogen at the surface is far from proven.  NASA is exploring various types of, the most popular of which is a submarine based system to dive in the lakes but it is not technologically doable at this point in time, although they are working on it. 

7 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

Mars does not require another rover . The success of curiosity's mission on Mars and its findings / relevancy to science is disputed among the scientific world with some serious negative outlook. Sending a clone of curiosity is increasingly frustrating. 

You have misread a report on the rovers as your conclusion is absolutely in error.  Curiosity accomplished all its mission goals a long time ago and is a massive success by all measures,. What the report was scolding the team over was not having enough work planned out for after they had reached their goals.   That has long since been taken care of and Curiosity's mission continues to be extended.  

Also the 2020 Rover is NOT an exact clone, it uses the same basic chassis but the science package is completely different.  The 2020 science package, using the data gathered by Curiosity and the other rovers, will be specifically designed to explore for signs of past and present life, something you your self has been complaining about vociferously for years now. 

This has all been explained to you, several times now, yet you can't seem to absorb the knowledge.  Why?  I have asked this before and you have failed to answer but do you have some disability that we should be aware of?  It certainly seem as if you do.

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The fact Nasa continues in its stubbornness to send rovers repeatedly to mars without telling the public exactly is weird since the planet is death. See above why for instance Titan will be more interesting.

What about the mollusk fossils?

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Now keep on laughing and discredit those who are not easily digesting your little expensive toys and shenanigans.

Actually we all stopped laughing at your ignorance a long time ago.  It is too pathetic to be a joke any longer and I, at least, am wondering is wrong with you.

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sight ... you public relations folks , certainly have an entertaining way of squeezing milk from bees and discredit potential disruptive factors to your budget. 

Of course Nasa should send another rover to Mars... it may also fart discretely a satellite into orbit on the side ;)

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5 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

sight ... you public relations folks , certainly have an entertaining way of squeezing milk from bees and discredit potential disruptive factors to your budget. 

Of course Nasa should send another rover to Mars... it may also fart discretely a satellite into orbit on the side ;)

:huh::rolleyes::huh:

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