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I'd suggest from this point on the real battle begins. That's to make a success of it. And to do that's going to involve repairing some bridges. Let's hope people put progress before spite .

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21 minutes ago, likwidlite said:

I'd suggest from this point on the real battle begins. That's to make a success of it. And to do that's going to involve repairing some bridges. Let's hope people put progress before spite .

I think the remaining EU members will not want to be seen as vindictive towards Britain. But by the same token i don't think they can afford to make it too easy to leave, either. These are the guide lines from which brexit will be negotiated from. 

The chamber’s general principles for the coming talks include that:

  • a future relationship agreement between the European union and the UK “can only be concluded once the United Kingdom has withdrawn from the EU”.
  • there may be a transitional deal for after 2019 to ensure that custom controls and barriers on trade are not enforced on day one of Brexit, but that these arrangements should not exceed three years and will be “limited in scope as they can never be a substitute for union membership”.
  • the European court of justice will be responsible for settling any legal challenges during the transition period.
  • the UK will be able to revoke its notification of article 50 but this must be “subject to conditions set by all EU-27 so they cannot be used as a procedural device or abused in an attempt to improve the actual terms of the United Kingdom’s membership”.
  • should Britain seek to negotiate any free trade deals with other countries while it is still an EU member state, there will be no future discussion of a deal with the union.
  • there will be no special deal for the City of London “providing UK-based undertakings preferential access to the single market and, or the customs union”.
  • the cut-off date after which EU nationals coming to the UK lose the automatic right to residency in the UK must not be before 29 March 2019, when the country leaves the EU, or the British government will be breaking EU law.
  • Britain should pay all its liabilities “arising from outstanding commitments as well as make provision for off-balance sheet items, contingent liabilities and other financial costs that arise directly as a result of its withdrawal”.
  • the outcome of the negotiations on the future EU-UK relationship “cannot involve any trade-off between internal and external security including defence cooperation, on the one hand, and the future economic relationship, on the other hand”.
  • https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/mar/29/brexit-theresa-may-triggers-article-50-politics-live
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Watched this last night. Have a look and tick off one by one everything she gets wrong. Makes me shiver to think these type of people could have kept us in.

 

I see that 'Socialist Worker' are in the remain camp then.

Well that's made my mind up then.

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This one here is balzy to say the lease... almost like they expect the UK to have second thoughts...

  • the UK will be able to revoke its notification of article 50 but this must be “subject to conditions set by all EU-27 so they cannot be used as a procedural device or abused in an attempt to improve the actual terms of the United Kingdom’s membership”.
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41 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Watched this last night. Have a look and tick off one by one everything she gets wrong. Makes me shiver to think these type of people could have kept us in.

 

 

Ahh socialist worker..few months ago the text was in red. They promote far left idologies.

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51 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Watched this last night. Have a look and tick off one by one everything she gets wrong. Makes me shiver to think these type of people could have kept us in.

 

I see that 'Socialist Worker' are in the remain camp then.

Well that's made my mind up then.

 

I don't understand some people's thought processes. Having a border is bigotry? You just want to let everyone in regardless of who they are and what they will do? What happens when a million refugees with no marketable skills come in and you can't care for them all? How are you going to have socialized medicine if your NHS gets overloaded?

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2 hours ago, The Russian Hare said:

 

I don't understand some people's thought processes. Having a border is bigotry? You just want to let everyone in regardless of who they are and what they will do? What happens when a million refugees with no marketable skills come in and you can't care for them all? How are you going to have socialized medicine if your NHS gets overloaded?

See......you get it.

Besides....it already is overloaded.

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5 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Watched this last night. Have a look and tick off one by one everything she gets wrong. Makes me shiver to think these type of people could have kept us in.

 

I see that 'Socialist Worker' are in the remain camp then.

Well that's made my mind up then.

If this represents the young that Clegg was gobbing off about that we have robbed them of their future I would argue we did them a favour.  Name three good things about the EU, number one the NHS????

Really, isn't the clue in the name National, not European Health Service although it is often the international health service.  Nice to see these educated people are using good sources of reliable information on EU membership, Facebook for instance.

I am also getting tired of Clegg's ageist rants about the referendum.  We have robbed the youth of their future.  I am 43 years old and with pension ages rising I probably have at least 26 years work ahead of me.  The way he is talking I might as well get in the box now as my views are irrelevant due to my age!!

 

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On ‎23‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 11:00 AM, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

gee whiz. They're very stylish, those new rose tinted spectacles you've got. "Remainers just want to remain in the EU because they just care about people and want everyone to be happy and nice and prosperous and live in a happy nice multicultural world where everyone joins hands and sings slightly hippy songs about being nice."

Any strategy that doesnt have the majority of people on board with it is doomed to fail.

This is why the EU is going to collapse in on itself. And quite frankly as the majority of European peoples have said no year after year, decade after decade, there are quite a few politicians which need prison sentences for subverting the Democratic will of their peoples.

Brexit will be a total success because there are a lot of people in the UK who would work hard and fight in everyway possible to create a happy outcome. It is a strategy the people want and are on board with. And when the EU sees us doing well the end will come for it.

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40 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Any strategy that doesnt have the majority of people on board with it is doomed to fail.

This is why the EU is going to collapse in on itself. And quite frankly as the majority of European peoples have said no year after year, decade after decade, there are quite a few politicians which need prison sentences for subverting the Democratic will of their peoples.

Brexit will be a total success because there are a lot of people in the UK who would work hard and fight in everyway possible to create a happy outcome. It is a strategy the people want and are on board with. And when the EU sees us doing well the end will come for it.

Quite frankly I think the E.U. are sh****g themselves that we will make a go of it, this is why they talk of punishing us. They have to send a message to all the others who may be thinking of going the same way, it's what they did to Greece and Italy.

At the end of the day this is all about money and plugging the £13 billion shortfall Brexit will create in their coffers.

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20 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Quite frankly I think the E.U. are sh****g themselves that we will make a go of it, this is why they talk of punishing us. They have to send a message to all the others who may be thinking of going the same way, it's what they did to Greece and Italy.

At the end of the day this is all about money and plugging the £13 billion shortfall Brexit will create in their coffers.

They will have to punish us, look at Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece.  All impoverished and in the EU with disgraceful youth unemployment.

If one country jumps ship and does well the people will rise up and the EU leaders know this and there will be nothing they can do to stop the house of cards falling.  

 

 

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One of the most historic of days in our country's History. The triggering of Article 50 and the process of Leaving the European Union has begun.

Historic Picture. the Union flag, - the picture of Sir Robert Walpole, the first person to hold the title Prime Minister.

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and the Letter in full from Her Majesty's Government. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/29_03_17_article50.pdf

only six pages and well worth reading. excellent position set out by the UK Government.

 

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Back when Thatcher wanted IN: Photographs taken in the Sixties and Seventies show how Britain's EU journey has always divided the country

She was famous for the anti-European views that split the Tory party and eventually cost Margaret Thatcher her leadership.

But as Britain triggers Article 50, ending its 44-year union with Europe after a historic referendum, few will remember the days when the Iron Lady campaigned for 'In' the last time the public went to the polls.

Historic photos tell the tale of a British public divided over the nation's European ties that will seem very familiar to even those who weren't alive to see it.

Black and white pictures show the crowds of people campaigning for Britain to join the European Union amid a difficult economic climate in the 1960s and early 70s, when successive applications were vetoed by the French.

There are images of Ted Heath signing the Treaty of Rome in 1973, when Britain joined Europe, and headlines reflecting the historic moment the next day, telling an entirely different story to what will appear tomorrow.

Never properly resolved, the issue of Europe remained divisive, and there are images of the British Prime Minister campaigning for Britain to stay in the European Union before 67 per cent of the public voted to remain in 1975.

But she was more famous for the 'We want our money back' speech in the 1980s, when she argued against ever-closer ties with Europe, which eventually led to pro-European member of her Cabinet ousting her.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4361082/Back-began-Photographs-early-EU-journey.html#ixzz4ckDZL0Jg

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

Interesting photos. I wonder how many of those holding pro common market posters voted out this time around.

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1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Quite frankly I think the E.U. are sh****g themselves that we will make a go of it, this is why they talk of punishing us. They have to send a message to all the others who may be thinking of going the same way, it's what they did to Greece and Italy.

At the end of the day this is all about money and plugging the £13 billion shortfall Brexit will create in their coffers.

Well, that's exactly it. Old Junkers and the other Donald T (Tusk), and Pro European Leaders like M. Hollande and Frau Merkel have said quite openly that they want to try to make it as difficult as possible in order to discourage others from trying. Is this an organisation. depending on threats and bullying to keep it together, that anyone would want to be a part of? 

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18 minutes ago, seeder said:

Back when Thatcher wanted IN: Photographs taken in the Sixties and Seventies show how Britain's EU journey has always divided the country

She was famous for the anti-European views that split the Tory party and eventually cost Margaret Thatcher her leadership.

But as Britain triggers Article 50, ending its 44-year union with Europe after a historic referendum, few will remember the days when the Iron Lady campaigned for 'In' the last time the public went to the polls.

Back then, remember, it was all about trade, and wasn't about ambitions for creating a superpower that would rival the US.

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7 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 

Well, that's exactly it. Old Junkers and the other Donald T (Tusk), and Pro European Leaders like M. Hollande and Frau Merkel have said quite openly that they want to try to make it as difficult as possible in order to discourage others from trying. Is this an organisation. depending on threats and bullying to keep it together, that anyone would want to be a part of? 

Indeed. Going to be interesting to see what unfolds when these countries have their general elections, time to sit back and watch the fun unfold.

If the French people decided to back an anti E.U. candidate would they be subjected to the same threats and rhetoric that we have had to endure?

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I just saw May deliver the brexit speech in parliament. Subdued and angry were my impressions. 

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53 minutes ago, seeder said:
54 minutes ago, seeder said:

She was famous for the anti-European views that split the Tory party and eventually cost Margaret Thatcher her leadership.

She was anti-EU but If I remember rightly it was the Introduction of the Poll Tax and the ensuing civil disobedience and riots in protest against this that cost her her job.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Indeed. Going to be interesting to see what unfolds when these countries have their general elections, time to sit back and watch the fun unfold.

If the French people decided to back an anti E.U. candidate would they be subjected to the same threats and rhetoric that we have had to endure?

 

It would be an Interesting situation if Le Pen were to win but maybe she doesn't have enough support to go all the way.If she did win and France were to go FREXIT, then I think there would be a big rumble in the EU jungle and maybe a Catastrophic effect on the Euro.

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This is probably one of the most telling clauses for the future of brexit negotiations... what it means to me at lease is that the future of Britain's relationship with the EU is dependent on Britain. I.e. hard brexit means a down graded relationship. Soft means more. Ouch!

  • a future relationship agreement between the European union and the UK “can only be concluded once the United Kingdom has withdrawn from the EU”.
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23 hours ago, The Russian Hare said:

 

I don't understand some people's thought processes. Having a border is bigotry? You just want to let everyone in regardless of who they are and what they will do? What happens when a million refugees with no marketable skills come in and you can't care for them all? How are you going to have socialized medicine if your NHS gets overloaded?

Thinking ahead? Logically planning a future??? THAT"S RACIST!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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