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Ukrainian EuroMaidan 'Revolution'


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haha - another video from your favourite  propagandist -

Bet you didn't watch this one either - 

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 one of the comments - about video in bmk's latest post -

"This lecture is full of BS. Maydan has indeed been organized by the US. Obama actually admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine” Yanukovich didn't shoot the protestors, there was no point in it for him. It was a provocation from interested parties heat the conflict. It is very possible that they were organized by someone who is now sitting in the parlament of Ukraine."

 

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On 8/14/2016 at 3:34 AM, Leonardo said:

My point wasn't necessarily whether Yanukovich's govt was democratically elected, but that they did not appear to then act as "representative of the Ukrainian people". There was enormous, majority, support in the Ukraine for the Ukraine to engage in closer ties with the EU, but Yanukovich ignored that and instead preferred tying Ukraine closer to Russia. This action did not represent all the citizens, including the majority, in the Ukraine that he and his administration, as the representative govt, were obliged to represent. It was also a complete turn-about from his early promises where he promised to initiate closer ties with the EU "as a strategic aim".

Yes, overthrowing a lawful govt is not permitted by the Ukrainian constitution, but what recourse have the people got when the govt goes "rogue"? Also, technically he was not deposed by the revolution. After many violent clashes between pro-European protesters and Ukrainian special police he chose to flee the country rather than negotiate, and was subsequently removed from his post by the Ukrainian parliament (which, at that time, was still the same parliament as was elected under him.)

This has been my only focus in the protests of the Ukrainians. They voted for him based on outright lies and when they revolted at being tied back into Russian influence - no matter WHO helped them do it - they revolted voluntarily.  The idea that the majority of Ukrainians are neo nazis or would rather be aligned with Russia just isn't believable.  As I recall, they gave up their nukes on the promise they wouldn't be reabsorbed by the mama bear.  OOOPS... 

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On 8/14/2016 at 2:15 PM, Leto_loves_melange said:

Ukrainians and Russians are ethnically one people and the linguistic differences are minor. Culture is the same and they have a shared sense of history and religion. Russia will always have a high degree of influence in Ukraine whether its directly or indirectly. Even Crimea was a gift from the Russians to the Ukrainians during Soviet times. So i doubt there are many Ukrainians that feel anything about that region. Those that organised the maidan misadventure obviously didn't do their research very well. 

I know some Ukrainians who don't think that way.  It appears to me we are getting the usual dose of Russian misinformation and distortion.  It is plain a large majority of Ukraine wants as little as possible to do with Russia and its imperialism, in spite of cultural similarities.  It would be like the US making similar claims about Canada.

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13 hours ago, bee said:

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 one of the comments - about video in bmk's latest post -

"This lecture is full of BS. Maydan has indeed been organized by the US. Obama actually admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine” Yanukovich didn't shoot the protestors, there was no point in it for him. It was a provocation from interested parties heat the conflict. It is very possible that they were organized by someone who is now sitting in the parlament of Ukraine."

Bee, what Obama is talking about is that the US offered Yanukovich and the leadership of the revolution a forum in which to discuss a way to restore peace to the Ukraine. That way involved Yanukovich voluntarily stepping down.

It is the same process as to how the US provides a forum for Israel to discuss the peace process with Palestine. That is what "brokering a deal" is, and that is what Obama "admitted to", nothing more. It doesn't suggest that "Maidan was organised by the US" and that the US initiated the revolution against Yanukovich.

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4 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

I know some Ukrainians who don't think that way.  It appears to me we are getting the usual dose of Russian misinformation and distortion.  It is plain a large majority of Ukraine wants as little as possible to do with Russia and its imperialism, in spite of cultural similarities.  It would be like the US making similar claims about Canada.

Well you said it. I hope I'm not insulting any Canadians or Americans but Canada and the U.S. have very few if any cultural differences. Now imagine for a moment that Russia wanted to mingle in the affairs or Canada. How do you think America would react? 

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7 hours ago, Leonardo said:

Bee, what Obama is talking about is that the US offered Yanukovich and the leadership of the revolution a forum in which to discuss a way to restore peace to the Ukraine. That way involved Yanukovich voluntarily stepping down.

It is the same process as to how the US provides a forum for Israel to discuss the peace process with Palestine. That is what "brokering a deal" is, and that is what Obama "admitted to", nothing more. It doesn't suggest that "Maidan was organised by the US" and that the US initiated the revolution against Yanukovich.

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Obama said they 'brokered a deal' --- not just offered a forum -    

what was America doing on Russia's doorstep brokering a deal for the transition of power anyway ..!
you don't have to be a genius to work out that this would be considered provocation and gross interference
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10 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

I know some Ukrainians who don't think that way.  It appears to me we are getting the usual dose of Russian misinformation and distortion.  It is plain a large majority of Ukraine wants as little as possible to do with Russia and its imperialism, in spite of cultural similarities.  It would be like the US making similar claims about Canada.

 

Oh yeah, its so very plain.. 

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The opinion survey, involving 2,000 mobile telephone interviews, showed more than 76 percent of respondents in eastern Ukraine saying they "strongly" or "somewhat" favor talks to guarantee minority rights and ensure Russian troops in Crimea return to their bases.

More than 90 percent of western Ukrainians backed talks.

In populous eastern Ukraine, more than 56 percent of those polled said they would prefer the ex-Soviet state to align itself equally with Moscow and the West.

In western Ukraine, that notion was backed by nearly 44 percent, while nationwide the figure stood at 52 percent.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-poll-idUSBREA2D00E20140314

 

Priceless"Russia and its imperialism..." No, you'd better align yourself with the US/EU/NATO, the non- imperialists.

 

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On 8/7/2016 at 2:54 PM, bee said:

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very good - thanks

America's sneaky and aggressive attitude towards Russia is the biggest threat to world peace at the moment IMO -

It's hard to fathom what the hell they are up to in the long term - when they are close allies with the likes of Saudi Arabia -
and give military backing to so called ''''moderate''' rebels in Syria to get them to help remove the secular Assad government -
when everyone knows the rebels are more or less all Islamists and Al Qaeda / IS affiliates now - 

can it all be about the American economy ?

nothing else makes any sense

America? Who is really running things?

Adding  the British are sneaky. The Rothschild are sneaky. There's a lot of sneaky people doing these things to topple nations. George Soros is sneaky.

All wars are bankers wars.

 

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13 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

America? Who is really running things?

Adding  the British are sneaky. The Rothschild are sneaky. There's a lot of sneaky people doing these things to topple nations. George Soros is sneaky.

All wars are bankers wars.

 

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well said - my wording was a tad simplistic perhaps - :) - and yes Britain is sneaky and aggressive towards Russia as well -

It drives me nuts that we (citizens in all countries) get dragged into all the military crap - and tax payers money is used to
destroy the lives of millions in various parts of the world -  

 

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20 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

America? Who is really running things?

Adding  the British are sneaky. The Rothschild are sneaky. There's a lot of sneaky people doing these things to topple nations. George Soros is sneaky.

All wars are bankers wars.

 

 

Very true; none of the nations 'really run things'. Nations and corporations are nothing more than vehicles for certain groups to foment their aspirations, which are almost per def against the interests of The People. These elitist groups, internationalists, often guide both sides to their combined advantage. You will find these groups behind the central banking insitutions that feed the resp. nations (in dept). Yes, all wars are banker wars, at the very least those of the 20th and 21st century.

Wars are excessively profitable for those who provide loans to the warring nations. Between wars, these groups employ the usual 'boom & bust cycle' mechanism, thereby acquiring assets for pennies on the dollar. Once you have a certain amount of money, it doesnt matter what government makes the laws. Cash still rules, literally. Which effectively means the ~1%. Wealth distribution that leads to the level of unequality we are dealing with today (1% owns more than 50% of worlds wealth) will make that 1% all but the rulers of the world.
 

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On 8/15/2016 at 10:48 PM, bee said:

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 one of the comments - about video in bmk's latest post -

"This lecture is full of BS. Maydan has indeed been organized by the US. Obama actually admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine” Yanukovich didn't shoot the protestors, there was no point in it for him. It was a provocation from interested parties heat the conflict. It is very possible that they were organized by someone who is now sitting in the parlament of Ukraine."

 

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Right... And some Mognik (100% Kremlin troll rashist from Savushkino (here he is commenting on Ukrainian resource "using" Russian IP, and here, on the same website, he is "using" Serbian IP)) is in all knowing :D

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Leaked Memo Exposes George Soros' Plan To Overthrow Putin & Destabilise Russia

The recent DC Leaks, of over 2,500 documents from George Soros NGOs, has shed a bright light on how the billionaire uses his vast wealth to create global chaos in an never ending push to deliver his neo-liberal euphoria to the peasant classes.

While Soros has managed to thoroughly destabilise the European Union by promoting mass immigration and open borders, divided the United States by actively funding Black Lives Matters and corrupting the very corruptible US political class, and destroyed Ukraine by pushing for an illegal coup of a democratically elected government using neo-nazi strong men…one country that Soros has not bee able to crack has been The Russian Federation.

Russia’s political pragmatism and humanist value system rooted in a traditional, “nation-state” culture most likely infuriates Soros.

Russia is Soros’ white whale... a creature he has been trying to capture and kill-off for nearly a decade.

Unfortunately for Soros (and fortunately for the entire planet) the Russian government realised the cancerous nature of Soros backed NGOs, and took the proper preventative measures…which in hindsight, and after reviewing the DC Leaks memos, proved to be a very wise move.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-25/leaked-memo-exposes-george-soros-plan-overthrow-putin-destabilise-russia

 

Well color me gobsmacked (not).

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23 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

 

Well color me gobsmacked (not).

Ah, as usual, urine in escalator - Obama p***ed there...

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Could be good to actually read before you comment, it might prevent utter msifires like you produced just now. Youre trying really really hard to put all those who dont conform to the 'Putin = Hitler' narrative as West / US / Obama haters, arent you. Adorable, in a strange, deranged kind of way.

 

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16 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

Could be good to actually read before you comment, it might prevent utter msifires like you produced just now. Youre trying really really hard to put all those who dont conform to the 'Putin = Hitler' narrative as West / US / Obama haters, arent you. Adorable, in a strange, deranged kind of way.

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah... With DC leaks being Kremlin puppets, I'd bet majority of "leaked" documents are just blatant forgeries, just to serve tzar herr Putler...

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On 31-8-2016 at 11:49 AM, bmk1245 said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah... With DC leaks being Kremlin puppets, I'd bet majority of "leaked" documents are just blatant forgeries, just to serve tzar herr Putler...

 

Yeah yeah yeah.... you just keep your ears/eyes fixed on the US media landscape; the Russians can take an example to that unshakable 4th estate of objectivity. Putin is the devil dont you know, hes the new Hitler!

Comical.

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1 hour ago, Phaeton80 said:

 

Yeah yeah yeah.... you just keep your ears/eyes fixed on the US media landscape; the Russians can take an example to that unshakable 4th estate of objectivity. Putin is the devil dont you know, hes the new Hitler!

Comical.

Bmk suffers from severe Russophobia. You cannot reason with him on these topics.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-01/romanian-hacker-who-exposed-hillarys-private-email-server-sentenced-52-months

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http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/26/new-evidence-strengthens-guccifer-2-0s-russian-connections/
 

Its all one big Russian ploy; that is to say, a Putin Ploy. This centre of all things evil (Russia) just wants to make the US, light of contemporary civilization, look bad. Hillary is innocent!

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On 9/1/2016 at 8:27 PM, Phaeton80 said:

 

Yeah yeah yeah.... you just keep your ears/eyes fixed on the US media landscape; the Russians can take an example to that unshakable 4th estate of objectivity. Putin is the devil dont you know, hes the new Hitler!

Comical.

Hearing that from Putinophile and Americanophobe, is just a complement.

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