qxcontinuum Posted August 24, 2016 #26 Share Posted August 24, 2016 16 hours ago, Myles said: Good post. Wouldn't their price go up if needed? Seems China is not willing to stop buying the tusks at any price. The poachers are getting paid little, but China is paying the middle men much more. it is time to hate China and their God less anti nature behaviours ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclopes500 Posted August 24, 2016 #27 Share Posted August 24, 2016 I have an idea. 1 find a nice smelling young female gorilla in season that knows deaf and dumb sign language. 2 once she's settled in use her to explain to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclopes500 Posted August 24, 2016 #28 Share Posted August 24, 2016 her wild cousins how to make traps for poachers. 3 once caught the gorillas could hand them in to the rangers on a food reward basis, or more likely how to eat one properly. Say with a few tools they might find useful and a recipe involving jungle plants and insects for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNYC Posted August 25, 2016 #29 Share Posted August 25, 2016 On 8/23/2016 at 10:38 AM, Dark_Grey said: Is that true? I never looked in to it. We know wolves do. A pack of wolves will decimate a herd of Elk and eat only a small portion - it's quite well documented. Dolphins will also "play" with their terrified food before eating it with their faces. I know it's hard for bleeding hearts to hear, but many intelligent animals delight in the slaughter. It's definitely not a uniquely human trait. Somehow, I can't imagine that any animal can be as cruel as a human can be. In fact, I'm positive that they aren't. Playing with their food for a few minutes, is nothing near to torturing someone mentally and physically for years. It's like comparing apples to silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted August 25, 2016 #30 Share Posted August 25, 2016 54 minutes ago, MJNYC said: Somehow, I can't imagine that any animal can be as cruel as a human can be. In fact, I'm positive that they aren't. Playing with their food for a few minutes, is nothing near to torturing someone mentally and physically for years. It's like comparing apples to silver. I cannot imagine any animal being as compassionate as humans either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted August 25, 2016 #31 Share Posted August 25, 2016 52 minutes ago, MJNYC said: Somehow, I can't imagine that any animal can be as cruel as a human can be. In fact, I'm positive that they aren't. Playing with their food for a few minutes, is nothing near to torturing someone mentally and physically for years. It's like comparing apples to silver. If you're just comparing the most cruel acts then of course humans win every time - animals lack the third thought process and imagination necessary to concoct cruel tortures. The question then becomes, if they DID have the imagination and self-awareness, would they choose to be cruel? I say yes - absolutely. Some species, like chimps, would revel in it. Have you ever seen chimps chase, capture and eat another monkey? I hope you never do. Here's what else humans have going for them: empathy. Even though we can be incredibly cruel, we can also transcend our basic survival needs and care for creatures that would otherwise just be food. Humans can and have chosen to alter their entire diets based on compassion (vegetarianism). Show me any animal, anywhere that is willing to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNYC Posted August 26, 2016 #32 Share Posted August 26, 2016 23 hours ago, Dark_Grey said: If you're just comparing the most cruel acts then of course humans win every time - animals lack the third thought process and imagination necessary to concoct cruel tortures. The question then becomes, if they DID have the imagination and self-awareness, would they choose to be cruel? I say yes - absolutely. Some species, like chimps, would revel in it. Have you ever seen chimps chase, capture and eat another monkey? I hope you never do. Here's what else humans have going for them: empathy. Even though we can be incredibly cruel, we can also transcend our basic survival needs and care for creatures that would otherwise just be food. Humans can and have chosen to alter their entire diets based on compassion (vegetarianism). Show me any animal, anywhere that is willing to do that. Well, you are assuming incorrectly that animals do not have empathy and that has been proven to not be true. Many instances of animals not leaving the one they love, whether it be another dog, human, bird, cat. monkey, etc. All recorded so there's no doubt that it happens. And, if animals could think about what or how they were eating, I think they would be more likely to choose to not eat living beings. I have a cat now that doesn't kill anything. She happened upon a large beetle one day and I saw her gently taping it. The bug didn't even move, that's how gentle she was. She's like that with me and everyone. She's just very gentle. So, I think it depends on the animal species and on the particular animal; just as in humans. We can be kind and we can care, but so many choose not to. And, that's very sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted August 27, 2016 #33 Share Posted August 27, 2016 18 hours ago, MJNYC said: Well, you are assuming incorrectly that animals do not have empathy and that has been proven to not be true. Many instances of animals not leaving the one they love, whether it be another dog, human, bird, cat. monkey, etc. All recorded so there's no doubt that it happens. They may be staying because it is what they know. I agree that some animals may feel a slight degree of empathy. I think your cat knows that it does not need to hunt and isn't in an environment to kill things. My indoor cat is like that inside, but when it gets out, it kills chipmunks and leaves a headless body at my door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNYC Posted September 14, 2016 #34 Share Posted September 14, 2016 On 8/27/2016 at 9:16 AM, Myles said: They may be staying because it is what they know. I agree that some animals may feel a slight degree of empathy. I think your cat knows that it does not need to hunt and isn't in an environment to kill things. My indoor cat is like that inside, but when it gets out, it kills chipmunks and leaves a headless body at my door. And that means that your cat doesn't feel empathy for its food. So? Animals feel empathy and it's not a "slight degree". We can agree to disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted September 15, 2016 #35 Share Posted September 15, 2016 On 8/27/2016 at 2:16 PM, Myles said: They may be staying because it is what they know. I agree that some animals may feel a slight degree of empathy. I think your cat knows that it does not need to hunt and isn't in an environment to kill things. My indoor cat is like that inside, but when it gets out, it kills chipmunks and leaves a headless body at my door. Apparently, and I don't remember where I heard this, if you want to discourage these gruesome little presents. What you need to do is make a big fuss of your cat next time it does this. Then, again 'apparently', they think they've made their point and stop. I have no idea if that's true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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