danielost Posted August 22, 2016 #1 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) this thread is not about wither or not god exists. for sake of this discussion we will consider he does exist. my feeling is there is a conscience field. this conscience con neither be destroyed nor created, and is unlimited. god or the first god came to being by the conscience coming together into one large ball like a sun, Edited August 22, 2016 by Daughter of the Nine Moons Fix title 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblykiss Posted August 22, 2016 #2 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) in the beginning ther'e were twice nothing all a'b'out then thought became real like real real not really real and that mind that were was fuh'eye ah what you wood-ah pictured her that mind envisioned things, thoughts, ideas, perspectives as deep as oceans cold and broad as space is wide ............but for real, if you want to understand god than think about this in nothingness somethingness appears by shear will alone and then brings about all, for no reason other than it can and does an idea, a thought, a mind so supreme that it just supersedes all of reality into being forcing itself into existence because it can and here is the part that should destroy all thought in all that dark and cold, god was, alone without matter or space or time and made it to give perspective onto its own being, its own presence and how long did that nothing before nothing..............be.................exist..............present? what dream of another mind brought that emptiness all 'bout? then again, maybe we should focus on something else, something more real, something less...................due. and now i feel just a bit better about everything. life, death and god and the universe. Edited August 22, 2016 by Daughter of the Nine Moons Removed large irrelevant image 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWoo7 Posted August 22, 2016 #3 Share Posted August 22, 2016 HHHhhhhhhhh *sighs* kind of bubbly and I never say no to that ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted August 22, 2016 #4 Share Posted August 22, 2016 God's eternal, always been, always will be. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted August 22, 2016 #5 Share Posted August 22, 2016 God started off like strings on a guitar. One string rubbed against something, and started to vibrate. This in turn vibrated the other strings. Then God became aware. This is all metaphor for understanding. From our perspective the process is starting, happening, and ending. The ending is God going back to rub the first string, and creating everything inbetween. Of course I made this up, but then again maybe God is revealing truth through me unawares. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted August 22, 2016 #6 Share Posted August 22, 2016 It's not something we can understand in our current physical state. Anyone, whether mocking OR in earnest who says they know is deluded or lying I think. The Bible says in Revelation 10:7 that just as the seventh Angel blows his trumpet, the "mystery of God" will be fulfilled. I take that to mean we will finally understand what our place is in creation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nembus Posted August 22, 2016 #7 Share Posted August 22, 2016 How Did God Come To Be? It might have been conjured up from the human minds. But no, the statement is not what you think. It's a question as follows - Could God be a collectively constructed, conjured up Tulpa? And other so-called deities as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted August 22, 2016 #8 Share Posted August 22, 2016 38 minutes ago, Nembus said: How Did God Come To Be? It might have been conjured up from the human minds. But no, the statement is not what you think. It's a question as follows - Could God be a collectively constructed, conjured up Tulpa? And other so-called deities as well? I do not see Spiderman web slinging around New York except the panhandling kind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted August 22, 2016 #9 Share Posted August 22, 2016 All it takes is an idea, memetics, and a whole lot of self interest. http://www.wikihow.com/Create-Your-Own-God 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter of the Nine Moons Posted August 22, 2016 #10 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Just a reminder this isn't an SvS topic and Danielost has asked for the sake of this discussion we assume that he exists. Please respect that. Edited August 22, 2016 by Daughter of the Nine Moons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted August 22, 2016 #11 Share Posted August 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, Daughter of the Nine Moons said: Just a reminder this isn't an SvS topic and Danielost has asked for the sake of this discussion we assume that he exists. Please respect that. You ask us to discuss God existence. Without evidence of its existence it is easy to assume that God is an idea. What he is asking is an impossible question. Who or what created God and who or what created the creator of god, and who or what created the creator of the creator of god? This would go on forever without a legit answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 22, 2016 #12 Share Posted August 22, 2016 This is too hard a question for me. I am still trying to work out why "love means never having to say you're sorry" after all these years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted August 22, 2016 #13 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) With God or the universe something either always existed or something had to of just popped into existence. Both options are pretty much impossible concepts to comprehend lol Edited August 22, 2016 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter of the Nine Moons Posted August 22, 2016 #14 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) @XenoFish There are plenty of topics on the SvS board where you can debate the existance of god. As a reminder refer to the top of the board: Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs Friendly discussion on religion and spirituality 'Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs' board guidelines Please always respect the beliefs of other members - the bashing of specific religions, countries, races or belief systems is strictly disallowed. Several of the topics in this section cover some sensitive areas and it is important to respect the views of others; this means no flaming, no flamebaiting, no trolling and no personal attacks. We must also ask that members do not use the forums to promote or 'preach' their personal spiritual beliefs to others. The Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs board is primarily aimed at discussing general topics pertaining to religion and spirituality, for skeptic vs believer style discussion and debate on the nature of spirituality themed topics please visit the Spirituality vs Skepticismboard. Edited August 22, 2016 by Daughter of the Nine Moons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted August 22, 2016 #15 Share Posted August 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, Habitat said: This is too hard a question for me. I am still trying to work out why "love means never having to say you're sorry" after all these years. Lol that hit me on so many levels!! How to know what can't be known? I think the Christian book says something like "seek, and ye shall find". Good advice, though not descriptive. However, the Buddha believed "God" was in each and every one of us. Oh wait, Jesus say "these things and greater, all ye are capable of." Maybe Jesus was saying the same thing... perhaps the connection to God would be found in contemplation?If I want to know something about that really cute girl over there, think I'd ask you? Nope, going to talk to her now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyades Posted August 22, 2016 #16 Share Posted August 22, 2016 11 hours ago, danielost said: this thread is not about wither or not god exists. for sake of this discussion we will consider he does exist. my feeling is there is a conscience field. this conscience con neither be destroyed nor created, and is unlimited. god or the first god came to being by the conscience coming together into one large ball like a sun, Thanks Danielost, when we talked about God, it's always difficult!, and how much everyone of us would love to get an acquaintaince with this powerful being or else. Or maybe we reach out everyday with him without knowing, as our senses limit our capacity to be aware. The metaphor image you suggest is interesting, but may you share your perception is to where the conscience field comes from, and who has control, if any, over it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted August 22, 2016 #17 Share Posted August 22, 2016 37 minutes ago, Daughter of the Nine Moons said: @XenoFish There are plenty of topics on the SvS board where you can debate the existance of god. As a reminder refer to the top of the board: Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs Friendly discussion on religion and spirituality 'Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs' board guidelines Please always respect the beliefs of other members - the bashing of specific religions, countries, races or belief systems is strictly disallowed. Several of the topics in this section cover some sensitive areas and it is important to respect the views of others; this means no flaming, no flamebaiting, no trolling and no personal attacks. We must also ask that members do not use the forums to promote or 'preach' their personal spiritual beliefs to others. The Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs board is primarily aimed at discussing general topics pertaining to religion and spirituality, for skeptic vs believer style discussion and debate on the nature of spirituality themed topics please visit the Spirituality vs Skepticismboard. Yeah, I can read. But we have nothing to start a real discussion with. Only an assumption. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted August 22, 2016 #18 Share Posted August 22, 2016 11 hours ago, danielost said: my feeling is there is a conscience field. this conscience con neither be destroyed nor created, and is unlimited. god or the first god came to being by the conscience coming together into one large ball like a sun, If God is a product of a consciousness field, then that consciousnesses would require certain attributes such as: awareness, intelligence (or the ability to learn) and memory. Could such attributes develop out of nothing, or outside a physical or living form? If, for example, we were to buy into the idea that consciousness is neurobiological, then a brain (or something like it) has to (at minimum) exist. So perhaps God is (or was) a living entity at some point? Or is it possible that consciousness can be developed from a source outside the physical (like a type of 'artificial' consciousness perhaps)? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daughter of the Nine Moons Posted August 22, 2016 #19 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: Yeah, I can read. But we have nothing to start a real discussion with. Only an assumption. An assumption is a working hypothesis so what's wrong with that? If you wish to discuss this further please pm me. Edited August 22, 2016 by Daughter of the Nine Moons Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcgram Posted August 22, 2016 #20 Share Posted August 22, 2016 This is a hard topic, mainly b/c you will get many answers, each on based on the individual's beliefs, or non beliefs. Personally, I was always under the impression that God has always existed, as a spiritual being, outside of space and time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted August 22, 2016 Author #21 Share Posted August 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Clair said: If God is a product of a consciousness field, then that consciousnesses would require certain attributes such as: awareness, intelligence (or the ability to learn) and memory. Could such attributes develop out of nothing, or outside a physical or living form? If, for example, we were to buy into the idea that consciousness is neurobiological, then a brain (or something like it) has to (at minimum) exist. So perhaps God is (or was) a living entity at some point? Or is it possible that consciousness can be developed from a source outside the physical (like a type of 'artificial' consciousness perhaps)? according to Mormon belief god is a living being. who has gone through what we are going through, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 22, 2016 #22 Share Posted August 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Clair said: If God is a product of a consciousness field, then that consciousnesses would require certain attributes such as: awareness, intelligence (or the ability to learn) and memory. Could such attributes develop out of nothing, or outside a physical or living form? If, for example, we were to buy into the idea that consciousness is neurobiological, then a brain (or something like it) has to (at minimum) exist. So perhaps God is (or was) a living entity at some point? Or is it possible that consciousness can be developed from a source outside the physical (like a type of 'artificial' consciousness perhaps)? I think a good question here is how would consciousness which would require awareness, intelligence and memory, as you suggested, be able to pre-exist existance and therefore pre-exist time? It would seem to me that all three attributes would require some degree of time in order for a consciousness/god to exist making said deity dependent on his/her/its own creation in support and continuance of that existance. Kind of a Catch-22 situation. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 22, 2016 #23 Share Posted August 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, danielost said: according to Mormon belief god is a living being. who has gone through what we are going through, According to Judeo-Christian, non-Mormon, belief God pre-exists the Universe which is a whole different kettle of fish than what Mormons believe. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted August 22, 2016 Author #24 Share Posted August 22, 2016 4 hours ago, Daughter of the Nine Moons said: Just a reminder this isn't an SvS topic and Danielost has asked for the sake of this discussion we assume that he exists. Please respect that. I just didn't want this to descend into another does he or doesn't he exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted August 22, 2016 #25 Share Posted August 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, danielost said: according to Mormon belief god is a living being. who has gone through what we are going through, I wondered initially what you meant by a consciousness field, but I think I understand now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the 'field' in reference to the Mormon concept of God being not one, but three beings (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)? In other words, it's a collective consciousness of one? Or am I misinterpreting it? And by 'living being' could you please explain so that I have a better understanding? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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