Black Monk Posted September 21, 2016 #1 Share Posted September 21, 2016 *link removed* 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Claire. Posted September 21, 2016 Popular Post #2 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The most frightening thing in that photo is the wallpaper. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted September 21, 2016 Author #3 Share Posted September 21, 2016 The Black Monk of Pontefract is where my username comes from. I've named myself after it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted September 21, 2016 #4 Share Posted September 21, 2016 A picture on the opposite wall reflected in a mirror.....yep, pretty violent!!! jeeze! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atheist Pope Posted September 21, 2016 #5 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Yawn... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted September 21, 2016 #6 Share Posted September 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Black Monk said: The Black Monk of Pontefract is where my username comes from. I've named myself after it. I figured as much. Here's a photo showing more of that area (without the image in the mirror). Whatever it was would have had to be standing on the stairs. The same stairs where one of the residents was supposedly dragged. From what we know about poltergeist activity, it appears to have absolutely nothing to do with spirits of any kind. Also, from what we know about 'ghost hunters' who present so-called real evidence, the more they blabber on about how even they were surprised by it, the more they're lying. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted September 21, 2016 Author #7 Share Posted September 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, freetoroam said: A picture on the opposite wall reflected in a mirror.....yep, pretty violent!!! jeeze! Can you offer proof of this mythical picture on the opposite wall? A photo of it perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted September 21, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Atheist Pope said: Yawn... Don't come to the ghost and hauntings section of the Unexplained Mysteries forum if you don't want to see threads on ghosts and hauntings. It really is quite simple, my old mucker. Edited September 21, 2016 by Black Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted September 21, 2016 #9 Share Posted September 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Black Monk said: Can you offer proof of this mythical picture on the opposite wall? A photo of it perhaps. Proof from me? I am not making a mythical claim. I see a picture of a mirror which looks like it is reflecting a picture from the opposite wall. I do not need to provide proof, its there in the photo. Now can you provide proof it is not a picture on the opposite wall? thats the real question? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted September 21, 2016 #10 Share Posted September 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, Clair said: I figured as much. Here's a photo showing more of that area (without the image in the mirror). Whatever it was would have had to be standing on the stairs. The same stairs where one of the residents was supposedly dragged. From what we know about poltergeist activity, it appears to have absolutely nothing to do with spirits of any kind. Also, from what we know about 'ghost hunters' who present so-called real evidence, the more they blabber on about how even they were surprised by it, the more they're lying. Ha, there you .. picture on the walls. Stood in the right place it could easily reflect a picture. Or the person taking the photo and making the claim could have placed a picture opposite for the "ghost" effect. The second picture on the right looks like it is being reflected in the mirror, in the photo above. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted September 21, 2016 Author #11 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, freetoroam said: Proof from me? I am not making a mythical claim. I see a picture of a mirror which looks like it is reflecting a picture from the opposite wall. I do not need to provide proof, its there in the photo. Now can you provide proof it is not a picture on the opposite wall? thats the real question? There is no proof in that photo that what you are seeing is a reflection of a picture in a mirror. None whatoever. I am, though, getting quite annoyed at the army of skeptic trolls who seem to have flooded onto this forum who suddenly converge en masse onto any thread about ghosts, UFOs, aliens, Bigfoot etc so they can just straightaway dismiss it all without any evidence. It seems to happen now whenever I post a new story about a ghost or a Bigfoot or a werewolf. As for the Black Monk of Pontefract, this is a well-known poltergeist haunting in Britain that has occurred for many years and affected many people, children and adults alike. Now you may want to dismiss its violent attacks and its dragging of people upstairs as nothing more than creaking floorboards, or dust, or reflections in mirrors but at least keep such whacky opinions to yourselves. Edited September 21, 2016 by Black Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundew Posted September 21, 2016 #12 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Black Monks Matter. Or not. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted September 21, 2016 #13 Share Posted September 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, freetoroam said: Ha, there you .. picture on the walls. Stood in the right place it could easily reflect a picture. Or the person taking the photo and making the claim could have placed a picture opposite for the "ghost" effect. The second picture on the right looks like it is being reflected in the mirror, in the photo above. It could be, but the image appears to be on the inside of the banister and more head on. Interestingly, there don't seem to be any photos of the Pritchard family, particularly their younger daughter around whom most of the activity centered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted September 21, 2016 #14 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Black Monk said: As for the Black Monk of Pontefract, this is a well-known poltergeist haunting in Britain that has occurred for many years and affected many people, children and adults alike. Now you may want to dismiss its violent attacks and its dragging of people upstairs as nothing more than creaking floorboards, or dust, or reflections in mirrors but at least keep such whacky opinions to yourselves. Such opinions are not the least bit wacky, especially in light of the evidence (or in this case, the lack thereof). Sure the Pritchard family had some great stories of mysterious water puddles, freezing rooms, and of objects being tossed about, but not once did they provide any tangible evidence that any of that was indeed caused by Fred (their name for the 'poltergeist'). Fred then became the The Black Monk of Pontefract, whom some paranormal investigators claimed to have now captured in a photo (even though the image looks like a rather small girly figure, but who cares about the small details right?). I don't know how well investigated that case was, but I wouldn't be surprised that if, like others before and after it, there's a great deal of deception going on. Edited September 21, 2016 by Clair 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted September 21, 2016 #15 Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) There was a movie based on this haunting wasn't there? I don't know very much about it to be honest, but whenever there's a young teen involved, it's easy to put two and two together in terms of poltergeist activity. As for the photo, it's not only questionable, it's laughable. EDIT - And hey Black Monk, don't take any of this personally. It's not you who's being criticized, it's the evidence. Like anything it will be examined and evaluated. Some members will be convinced, others won't. It's all par for the course. Keep posting your stuff, it's interesting. And who knows maybe one day someone will present evidence that will convince all of us. Edited September 21, 2016 by Zenith 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted September 21, 2016 #16 Share Posted September 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Black Monk said: so they can just straightaway dismiss it all without any evidence. It seems to happen now whenever I post a new story about a ghost or a Bigfoot or a werewolf. You are getting confused here, WE do not need to provide evidence. The "evidence" has already been submitted, unfortunately it is not evidence enough to prove it is a ghost......do not even go there with the bigfoot and werewolf stuff! What is being provided as evidence is debatable and quite often laughable. We are debating the "evidence" hence why we come on here, it is unfortunate for you that what you are providing us = is dismissable and it does not take long to do that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted September 21, 2016 Author #17 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Quote Such opinions are not the least bit wacky, especially in light of the evidence (or in this case, the lack thereof). Sure the Pritchard family had some great stories of mysterious water puddles, freezing rooms, and of objects being tossed about, but not once did they provide any tangible evidence that any of that was indeed caused by Fred (their name for the 'poltergeist'). Fred then became the The Black Monk of Pontefract, whom some paranormal investigators claimed to have now captured in a photo (even though the image looks like a rather small girly figure, but who cares about the small details right?). I don't know how well investigated that case was, but I wouldn't be surprised that if, like others before and after it, there's a great deal of deception going on. Likewise, you've no evidence that poltergeist activity, probably the most common paranormal phenomenon, is caused by nothing more than dust, creaking floorboards and reflections of paintings in mirrors. Also, it seems that you're getting you're getting your Black Monk of Pontefract and Enfield Poltergeist mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted September 21, 2016 #18 Share Posted September 21, 2016 All righty folks, let's settle down. A news article was posted, and opinions made to debunk the photo. Let's not get into debating about debating about it please. Discuss the topic in a nice and civilized manner I too am fairly underwhelmed by the photo being a ghost. But hey, I think it's great that people keep looking, and posting things when they think they found something. So it wasn't a ghost this time, the lore of the legend is still interesting. And to Zenith- yep, there was a movie made that is "loosely based" on this story- It's called When The Lights Went Out, released in 2012. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted September 21, 2016 #19 Share Posted September 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Black Monk said: The Black Monk of Pontefract is where my username comes from. I've named myself after it. Wait a minute-you chose your username after a potentially historic figure that raped and murdered a child? Ok. Vaya con dios 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted September 21, 2016 #20 Share Posted September 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, rashore said: ...the lore of the legend is still interesting... That's what is most important to me. But being attacked for having a different opinion than the OP based on the exact same evidence presented isn't a good way for these claimers and believers to go about their business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted September 21, 2016 #21 Share Posted September 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Wes4747 said: Wait a minute-you chose your username after a potentially historic figure that raped and murdered a child? Ok. Vaya con dios ...oh my... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susanc241 Posted September 21, 2016 #22 Share Posted September 21, 2016 That looks more like the picture of a woman in a black bonnet, with a lighter coloured waisted dress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted September 21, 2016 #23 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Indeed, the wall paper is frightening. However, I'm intrigued by the photo... fascinating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keel M. Posted September 21, 2016 #24 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I guess I need to find a picture of a troll for my avatar if I am accused of being one (though I've been a member here far longer than you have) just because I disagree with your opinion. The fact is - and so far it's the only fact - the paranormal is all based on opinion. And opinions, as they say, are like *** holes: everyone's got one. There are no facts in this thread. I used to believe in everything I saw online, but then I realized that it's all opinion. I don't have to agree with your opinion, nor do you have to agree with mine. The whole point of sharing should be to eliminate all possible answers to the question. Once you've done that, then whatever is left may or may not be the proof we all seek. I know from personal experience that glass does funny things depending on the angle of viewing. I'm sure this holds true for mirrors as well since they are merely reflective glass. Also, when you mess with digital photographs there will be distortion. The photographer admitted he lightened it up because it was so dark. That changes the appearance of many things in the photograph. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted September 21, 2016 #25 Share Posted September 21, 2016 12 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said: That's what is most important to me. But being attacked for having a different opinion than the OP based on the exact same evidence presented isn't a good way for these claimers and believers to go about their business. Yes and being attacked for having the opinion of the OP based on the evidence presented isn't a good way for these debunkers and skeptics to go on about their business either. It's ok that everyone has different opinions and presents them. But there is presentation that is attacking going on with all sides of opinions in various spooky threads, and there is no call for it, and it's against site rules. We can all discuss these things in a polite manner that doesn't get anyone attacked or defensive. But back to the topic.. and more to your comment about lore being important. Let's talk about the lore a bit, and explore the legend, shall we? Gonna kick off with a rather old UM thread, from 2003: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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