danielost Posted September 22, 2016 #1 Share Posted September 22, 2016 I decided to ask all three basic questions that most of us ask. this is post two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 22, 2016 #2 Share Posted September 22, 2016 My parents had sex. That's where I came from. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules99 Posted September 22, 2016 #3 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Im from Tewksbury originally but have moved and live in Australia now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted September 22, 2016 #4 Share Posted September 22, 2016 We come from early evolutionary stages of our species, such as Homo habilis and other related hominids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted September 22, 2016 Author #5 Share Posted September 22, 2016 41 minutes ago, Podo said: We come from early evolutionary stages of our species, such as Homo habilis and other related hominids. I don't believe this of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted September 22, 2016 #6 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Just now, danielost said: I don't believe this of course. I don't give a toss what you believe, that's what the fossil record says. Your belief is irrelevant in the face of facts. You asked where we came from and have received an answer. If you're just going to toss your opinion in the face of facts, why bother even asking the question? Edited September 22, 2016 by Podo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 22, 2016 #7 Share Posted September 22, 2016 2 hours ago, danielost said: I decided to ask all three basic questions that most of us ask. this is post two. Do you mean you made 3 separate threads to 3 basic questions ? (I am always having to decipher you ) . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 22, 2016 #8 Share Posted September 22, 2016 25 minutes ago, danielost said: I don't believe this of course. Oh ... did you ask us our opinions to just list how you dont believe them ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 22, 2016 #9 Share Posted September 22, 2016 24 minutes ago, Podo said: I don't give a toss what you believe, that's what the fossil record says. Your belief is irrelevant in the face of facts. You asked where we came from and have received an answer. If you're just going to toss your opinion in the face of facts, why bother even asking the question? He is upset because people ridicules him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted September 22, 2016 Author #10 Share Posted September 22, 2016 24 minutes ago, Podo said: I don't give a toss what you believe, that's what the fossil record says. Your belief is irrelevant in the face of facts. You asked where we came from and have received an answer. If you're just going to toss your opinion in the face of facts, why bother even asking the question? the fossil record says no such thing. modern humans came out of no where. everything claimed that the fossil record says is speculation. none of the hominid time lines connect to ours except Neanderthals. but they are not our ancestors. cromagnum man is modern human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted September 22, 2016 #11 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Just now, danielost said: the fossil record says no such thing. modern humans came out of no where. everything claimed that the fossil record says is speculation. none of the hominid time lines connect to ours except Neanderthals. but they are not our ancestors. cromagnum man is modern human. You are ignoring the overwhelming amount of evidence that shows our evolutionary history. If you've decided to willfully ignore overwhelming evidence, I can't help you, because you have chosen ignorance over reality. Good luck in your travels. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 22, 2016 #12 Share Posted September 22, 2016 may as well close this one now, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted September 22, 2016 #13 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) 37 minutes ago, danielost said: 1) the fossil record says no such thing. 2) modern humans came out of no where. 3) everything claimed that the fossil record says is speculation. 4) none of the hominid time lines connect to ours except Neanderthals. 5) but they are not our ancestors. 6) cromagnum man is modern human. 1) Wrong, the fossil record shows exactly that. 2) Wrong again. 3) Mostly wrong as the fossil record shows that the human lineage goes back to circa 2.8 million years, with few minor debates on whether some of the lesser known lineages constitute a species themselves or are part of a greater expansion of humans than what was believed before. 4) Wrong, as Homo sapiens idaltu circa 160,000 BP connects to ours as does the parent group, Homo sapiens, which goes back circa 200,000 years BP. From there can be seen a rather straight line covering the last 2.8 million years as mentioned in my point 3. 5) That the Neanderthals are not our ancestors is the only thing you've stated that's correct so far. 6) Amazing. You got two whole claims right for a change. But then, even a broken clock is right twice a day. cormac Edited September 22, 2016 by cormac mac airt 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted September 23, 2016 #14 Share Posted September 23, 2016 We come from our parents who come from their parents who come from their parents all the way back through a billion or more generations ..... Of course, if I look at my 190,456,825th grandfather, for example, he wouldn't look much like me. More like a rat probably. But the only way you'll see the exact evolutionary change is if you can locate every single skeleton. Or, at the least, every one in a thousand. And since 99.99% of land animals leave no fossil remains, that's gonna be mighty hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted September 24, 2016 Author #15 Share Posted September 24, 2016 13 hours ago, Essan said: We come from our parents who come from their parents who come from their parents all the way back through a billion or more generations ..... Of course, if I look at my 190,456,825th grandfather, for example, he wouldn't look much like me. More like a rat probably. But the only way you'll see the exact evolutionary change is if you can locate every single skeleton. Or, at the least, every one in a thousand. And since 99.99% of land animals leave no fossil remains, that's gonna be mighty hard to do. OK SO YOUR A RAT. ME I AM HUMAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 24, 2016 #16 Share Posted September 24, 2016 When the earth was lifeless, space jesus descended from heaven to step upon our planet. According to the will of his father he made a mortal sacrifice. He drank from the cup of life, sacrificing his mind, body, and soul. So that this planet could harbor life. True story. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted September 26, 2016 #17 Share Posted September 26, 2016 On 2016-09-23 at 5:23 PM, danielost said: OK SO YOUR A RAT. ME I AM HUMAN. You're descended from tiny rat-mammals just like the rest of us. Typing in all-caps doesn't make your statements any less wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 26, 2016 #18 Share Posted September 26, 2016 What kind of answer are you looking for Daniel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 26, 2016 #19 Share Posted September 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Podo said: You're descended from tiny rat-mammals just like the rest of us. Typing in all-caps doesn't make your statements any less wrong. What if he used really big sized letters .... that might work . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 26, 2016 #20 Share Posted September 26, 2016 2 hours ago, XenoFish said: What kind of answer are you looking for Daniel? Daniel dies not post here to get answers at all .... have you not noticed that ? He is one of those 'rubbish posters' .... that won't answer your questions either , just post back evasive inaccurate rubbish and uninformed biased religious and prejudiced opinion . 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmschex Posted September 27, 2016 #21 Share Posted September 27, 2016 It's a shame, really. Seems as if every time I enter a forum seeking insight and/or with healthy debate in mind, 90 percent of the conversation are fully off topic. And of course, there's always the abundance of childish arguments and comments leading to it... As far as "where we came from", I'm a firm believer that we did not gradually evolve into our current species (as suggested by the evolutionary theory). There is too much recent DNA evidence supporting the idea that the changes to the most previous hominid form (erectus) to our current homo sapiens species could not have been warranted by evolution alone. Hominid fossils, over many many years, have retained similar traits and in that respect, we "came" from hominids. I firmly believe, however, that the rapid transition to what we are now (rapid in the grand scheme of things, as in 50000 years compared to 200 million years) was a process induced from an outside source. If you're a spiritual person, you can believe God's creation of man in Genesis. We were created in his image. If you lean toward ancient texts, look into the Sumerian cuneiform tablets, Indian Vedic texts, or any of the handful of civilizations around the world- echoing an eerily similar answer to our creation. I'm a believer in God myself, but I also consider a lot of the ancient astronaut theory to be intiguing and highly thought provoking. Whether someone chooses to rebuke such a theory, or approach it with an open mind and give credit to the evidence that's presented, its still a belief. So all that said, I firmly believe we (homo sapiens) were the first of our kind. Things within our bodies and minds were altered in a very short period and it was not from evolutionary growth. We are a byproduct of hominids and something science can't understand. But we did not FULLY evolve from our previpus form. Think about us next to homo erectus. We're naked, with no fur- the theory of evolution would contradict itself quickly when such nudity caused us to freeze to death. ("Evolution and survival of the fittest? Not so in this instance). We wore furs to keep warm. Our Fox-p2 gene is unanswered for. As is our vocabulary and means of understanding/ social interaction. There truly is minimal explanation for us on this earth. It is a fascinating topic. Still, each person will have varying beliefs and all facts, regardless of how concrete they may seem, will continue to leave open-ended questions. I think the best part of it all is being able to dive into it with an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 28, 2016 #22 Share Posted September 28, 2016 That, even fro a religious / spiritual perspective, is very Christian biased. A better approach from the religious perspective IMO is seen between the correlation of some of the ideas of Darwin's contemporaries ( Wallace, Broome etc . ) alongside religious and spiritual teachings in the Vedas and other religions that had a rout source or influence from perennial philosophy - in that ; No, many did not develop the same as other animals and then his essential difference was added later BUT all along, even in early forms "man' had a certain consciousness / potential , 'in seed' different from any other animal. It wasnt until such philosophies were eliminated from Christendom that it again begun to slide back into a narrower ignorance and perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted September 28, 2016 #23 Share Posted September 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Rmschex said: It's a shame, really. Seems as if every time I enter a forum seeking insight and/or with healthy debate in mind, 90 percent of the conversation are fully off topic. And of course, there's always the abundance of childish arguments and comments leading to it... As far as "where we came from", I'm a firm believer that we did not gradually evolve into our current species (as suggested by the evolutionary theory). There is too much recent DNA evidence supporting the idea that the changes to the most previous hominid form (erectus) to our current homo sapiens species could not have been warranted by evolution alone. Hominid fossils, over many many years, have retained similar traits and in that respect, we "came" from hominids. I firmly believe, however, that the rapid transition to what we are now (rapid in the grand scheme of things, as in 50000 years compared to 200 million years) was a process induced from an outside source. If you're a spiritual person, you can believe God's creation of man in Genesis. We were created in his image. If you lean toward ancient texts, look into the Sumerian cuneiform tablets, Indian Vedic texts, or any of the handful of civilizations around the world- echoing an eerily similar answer to our creation. I'm a believer in God myself, but I also consider a lot of the ancient astronaut theory to be intiguing and highly thought provoking. Whether someone chooses to rebuke such a theory, or approach it with an open mind and give credit to the evidence that's presented, its still a belief. So all that said, I firmly believe we (homo sapiens) were the first of our kind. Things within our bodies and minds were altered in a very short period and it was not from evolutionary growth. We are a byproduct of hominids and something science can't understand. But we did not FULLY evolve from our previpus form. Think about us next to homo erectus. We're naked, with no fur- the theory of evolution would contradict itself quickly when such nudity caused us to freeze to death. ("Evolution and survival of the fittest? Not so in this instance). We wore furs to keep warm. Our Fox-p2 gene is unanswered for. As is our vocabulary and means of understanding/ social interaction. There truly is minimal explanation for us on this earth. It is a fascinating topic. Still, each person will have varying beliefs and all facts, regardless of how concrete they may seem, will continue to leave open-ended questions. I think the best part of it all is being able to dive into it with an open mind. You might want to look into some of the research on archaic hominids a little more before making blanket statements. There has been a lot of discovery over the years that shed a very different light on what you have stated. I'll leave this link for you and if you need more I can direct you to and old thread or pull more links from my files.You may also find burial practices and social interactions among other hominid groups of specific interest. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/13/neanderthal-language-speech-modern-humans_n_3574556.html jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted October 1, 2016 #24 Share Posted October 1, 2016 On 9/22/2016 at 5:10 PM, back to earth said: Do you mean you made 3 separate threads to 3 basic questions ? (I am always having to decipher you ) . Did you catch the first question for some reason it doesn't show on my screen? Or is this the 2nd or turd oops 3rd question? Danial please note that I didn't invoke any of the stupid dumb or idiot comments. jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted October 1, 2016 #25 Share Posted October 1, 2016 On 9/22/2016 at 5:18 PM, danielost said: the fossil record says no such thing. modern humans came out of no where. everything claimed that the fossil record says is speculation. none of the hominid time lines connect to ours except Neanderthals. but they are not our ancestors. cromagnum man is modern human. Hey I thought you didn't want us to speak in a derogatory manor to each other. jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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