craigsapples Posted September 26, 2016 #1 Share Posted September 26, 2016 so i was in Toronto, Canada a couple of weeks ago and while out taking photos i seemed to ahve a few ufo's in one of them. I was taking a photo from my knees of the CN Tower and unknown to me i caught some extras in my image. Please zoom in, you will two sets of two. I cannot upload the image here as its far too large, however you can view it on my twitter account @craigawilde Please let me know what you think they are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Posted September 26, 2016 #2 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigsapples Posted September 26, 2016 Author #3 Share Posted September 26, 2016 many thanks... so the question is, what the hell are they? i have zoomed right in on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted September 26, 2016 #4 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) They're Unidentified Flying Objects. They're not aliens, most likely an aircraft you're seeing at an angle or a drone or litter floating around. Could be something on the lens of your camera. It's easy to critical think this through and determine what it could be, then look into those possibilities and eliminate what it isn't. Once all of that is done, then you'll have your answer. Edited September 26, 2016 by Thorvir Hrothgaard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Posted September 26, 2016 #5 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, craigsapples said: many thanks... so the question is, what the hell are they? i have zoomed right in on them The area around the objects is slightly pixelated, strangely? Edited September 26, 2016 by Hudds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigsapples Posted September 26, 2016 Author #6 Share Posted September 26, 2016 yeah unfortunately you cant blow it right up on here, on my computer and phone i have it blown right up. the ones next to the tower are disc shaped with a light at the top, and the ones on the right are simply disc shaped. I took these on my samsung s7 edge, i have eliminated lens glare, and i dont think drones as i didnt see any at all on my trip and i am not sure of how high they can fly, but i truly cannot eliminate the possibility of a unique couple of drones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted September 26, 2016 #7 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, craigsapples said: yeah unfortunately you cant blow it right up on here, on my computer and phone i have it blown right up. the ones next to the tower are disc shaped with a light at the top, and the ones on the right are simply disc shaped. They do not look disc-shaped to me at all. The area surrounding the objects also look a bit blurry/pixelated (thanks Hudds), as if added in after the fact or perhaps they are debris on the lens of the camera stuck there with some moisture or something. Quote I took these on my samsung s7 edge, i have eliminated lens glare, and i dont think drones as i didnt see any at all on my trip and i am not sure of how high they can fly, but i truly cannot eliminate the possibility of a unique couple of drones. Drone are pretty powerful, they can get up quite high. Not sure about the laws for drones in Canada, or in a city for that matter, but it's a clear possibility that can't be brushed aside. I'll be done for now until others come in and give their analyses. Edited September 26, 2016 by Thorvir Hrothgaard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted September 26, 2016 #8 Share Posted September 26, 2016 There is no way any kind of flying object would get that close to the tower. And whatever I have circled next to the tower is identical to what's just to the right of it. I'm no expert when it comes to photographs, but it could be as Thorvir suggested debris or moisture or something along those lines. A UFO is out of the question in my opinion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Posted September 26, 2016 #9 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I managed to view the full screen of this image, and they do not look like drones or of any other "solid" object. There is possibility that this image could have been manipulated (Photo Shopped). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted September 26, 2016 #10 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Was there a glass door or window between you and the outdoors when you took the photo? It looks exactly like a light fitting reflected in a double glazing window. edit: Just saw Clair's post highlighting the other lights beside the top of the tower. Yup, that's almost certainly light fittings reflected in double glazing. It's a common effect touted as being UFOs. Edited September 26, 2016 by JesseCuster 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigsapples Posted September 26, 2016 Author #11 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) i was outdoors, i took over 50 pictures that morning, (the old trains at toronto centre) and i took this one of the CN tower, perfectly clear day, all planes i saw on holiday left their vapour trails, i watched two rockets launched that left a completely different trail and these things. I appreciate there are millions of fake, photoshop etc out there, but this is genuine, i have the image on my phone and that can be verified. I am not tech savvy, so i do not know what can and cannot be manipulated and in what ways they can be done, however i assure this is genuine, and the only thing i could think of was lens glare and that is not it. I will try and get images of both sets of these blown up and posted on here, to show they are indeed different. I promise you i have not faked or manipulated this image Edited September 26, 2016 by craigsapples typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted September 26, 2016 #12 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Back to add a bit more: A poster named ChrLzs will have the best analysis and response to the pic(s) provided (in my opinion). He's almost always spot on as well. 8 minutes ago, craigsapples said: I promise you i have not faked or manipulated this image That's good that you promise that, but it's not relevant. If the pics are doctored in anyway, it'll be discovered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Posted September 26, 2016 #13 Share Posted September 26, 2016 They look like a couple of flying dumbbells!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted September 26, 2016 #14 Share Posted September 26, 2016 15 minutes ago, Hudds said: I managed to view the full screen of this image, and they do not look like drones or of any other "solid" object. There is possibility that this image could have been manipulated (Photo Shopped). There's no reason to think Photoshop. It's almost certainly just lights reflected in a window. It's a very common effect that sometimes gets touted as UFOs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Posted September 26, 2016 #15 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, JesseCuster said: There's no reason to think Photoshop. It's almost certainly just lights reflected in a window. It's a very common effect that sometimes gets touted as UFOs. Judging by the angle and height of those objects, and including the building and location. I strongly doubt it's a reflection in a window from any lighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted September 26, 2016 #16 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 minute ago, Hudds said: Judging by the angle and height of those objects, and including the building and location. I strongly doubt it's a reflection in a window from any lighting. The height of the objects? Do you think those are actually up in the air at the height of the top of the tower? They're not high up at all and aren't even objects. It's just an optical illusion caused by lights reflected in the glass. There's glass between the camera and the outdoors. There was indoor ceiling lights behind the photographer reflected in that glass. Because of the double glazing, each light was doubly reflected. I've attached an image to make it clearer that they look just like a double reflection of lights, zooming in on the "UFO" close to the tower. By suggesting Photoshop and pixellated areas around the objects, you're overcomplicating something very simple. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Posted September 26, 2016 #17 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) I'm afraid, I still doubt that those apparent objects were caused by a reflection from the glass. And besides, there is another one of them some distance away. Edited September 26, 2016 by Hudds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted September 26, 2016 #18 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Just now, Hudds said: I'm afraid, I still doubt that those apparent objects were caused by glass reflection. And besides, there is another one of them some distance away. How are you judging the distance? Both are just white objects against a plain blue sky so there's absolutely no context in which to judge how far away they are. Imagine being indoors with the ceiling lights behind you which are on, and you're looking outside through a double pane window into a clear blue sky. You can see the lights clearly reflected (doubly because of the dual pane glass) in the glass and you can see the reflections against a plain blue sky. What would be the difference between the OP's photo and the situation I just described? It's trivial to verify this by just being inside with ceiling lights on and looking out the window and seeing them reflected in the window. I've seen this before many times being touted as evidence of UFOs and even replicated the effect which I posted here in a thread a couple of years ago to prove the point. If there's any doubt that this is what we're seeing I'll replicate the effect tomorrow during the day and post it here. It's really a very simply scenario that you're overcomplicating. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Posted September 26, 2016 #19 Share Posted September 26, 2016 40 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said: A poster named ChrLzs will have the best analysis and response to the pic(s) provided (in my opinion). He's almost always spot on as well. I completely agree with you. And I'm actually looking forward, and trust his analysis even if I may be wrong with my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudds Posted September 26, 2016 #20 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) 57 minutes ago, JesseCuster said: How are you judging the distance? I was mainly referring to the distance between the tower and the other object, which is some distance away from the glass to cause reflection. I just now googled images of the inside of CN Tower, and there is no lighting close or near to the window. https://goo.gl/images/3PpX01 Edited September 26, 2016 by Hudds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted September 26, 2016 #21 Share Posted September 26, 2016 (edited) Gosh, I'm getting mentioned in dispatches... Thanks for the kind words (and possibly misplaced faith..:D), folks.. A few things.. 1. I'm not a twitterer, but would like to get access to the original/s straight from the phone (in other words with intact EXIF data) - OP would you be willing to send a copy of the original file to me by email, preferably along with the very next and previous pics you took that day? - I can PM you an email address. (added - pm has been sent) 2. Note that due to the way jpeg compression works, you will often see square edges and blocky pixels around contrasting objects, so that doesn't necessarily mean photoshop... however, the effect does seem rather strong here.. I don't know how much compression the S7 uses, so can't comment further on that possibility until/unless I can get at the originals. 3. Just as a first impression, I would agree with the strong likelihood of Jesse's idea of it being a window reflection, for several reasons, namely: - they look like light fittings... - the amount of 'transparency' is about right - the close doubling of the image is exactly what you get with a pane of glass, ie two slightly misaligned images due to the refraction+reflections on the two glass-air surfaces. - for each of the 'doublets', the angle, and the different slant of the left doublet versus the right is also what I would expect from the perspective issues of an upwards and wide angle view like that. (This is actually quite complex and the angles do *not* look to me like they could be coincidental.. (more about this later, but only if I can get access to the original)) Anyway, that's not conclusive, but certainly worth investigating further (and it's my current bet too...:D) 4. The shapes are not really consistent with any drone I've ever seen, nor with flying debris (eg plastic bags). OK, so now back to the OP - first up I'd like to see those original files (I'll send you a PM (-done)). Oh, and make sure you do NOT remove them from the original media, just in case this turns into something big... Copying is fine, though. Secondly, is there any chance, OP, or anyone who lives nearby, can you go scout around this area and take more pics?. I'd like to see another pic taken from as close as possible to duplicating the original, and then, without moving, for you to turn 180 degrees to take a shot of what is behind you. Then (no, I don't want much..!) take two shots to the left and the right.. We really need to nail down your position to ensure you are not misremembering where you were.. If necessary we can Google Earth it hopefully, but it would be better if this came from the OP or a local. To Hudds, we need to be examining the location where the pic was taken, not of that tower.. Jesse and I think the glass was in right in front of the picture taker, and the light fittings behind them. We can take this much further, but I'm not going to spend any more time until I know we can get at the original file... Edited September 26, 2016 by ChrLzs added info about pm 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted September 26, 2016 #22 Share Posted September 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Hudds said: I was mainly referring to the distance between the tower and the other object, which is some distance away from the glass to cause reflection. I just now googled images of the inside of CN Tower, and there is no lighting close or near to the window. https://goo.gl/images/3PpX01 Ok, you have completely and utterly misunderstood what I was saying. What I'm saying has nothing to do with lights inside the tower or with the windows of the tower. I'm talking about the photographer being inside a building at ground level with a window in front of him. There are light fittings on the ceiling behind him which he can see reflected in the window that's right in front of him. The UFOs are simply the lights in the ceiling behind the photographer being reflected in the window that's right in front of him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 26, 2016 #23 Share Posted September 26, 2016 ~ a direct negative of the image ... doesn't look like its reflected or is a reflection at all ... judging from the shadows and the angle of where the sun is , lens flare can be safely ruled out ... no idea really ... its not an object from what I can see ... maybe dead pixels on the CMOS sensors though the shape looks a bit too well formed for that to be the case ... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted September 27, 2016 #24 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Just now, third_eye said: ~ a direct negative of the image ... doesn't look like its reflected or is a reflection at all ... judging from the shadows and the angle of where the sun is , lens flare can be safely ruled out ... no idea really ... its not an object from what I can see ... maybe dead pixels on the CMOS sensors though the shape looks a bit too well formed for that to be the case ... ~ Actually, it looks just like light fittings reflected in glass when you view it as it was posted on Twitter - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtTeVQPWgAAQ867.jpg:large I'm not sure what you think making a negative of the image is supposed to prove. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 27, 2016 #25 Share Posted September 27, 2016 If its a reflection or a reflected source, the negative of the image will show clearly if its a light source or a reflected light source ... wiki link ~ never mind ... its neither conclusive one way or the other in this particular case ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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