Jackie1992 Posted October 2, 2016 #1 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I guess it could be done in the right hands what's ur opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bendy Demon Posted October 2, 2016 Popular Post #2 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Magic, assuming for the sake of the topic that it exists, is just magic. There is no "good" or "bad" magic; it is the intention behind it that makes the outcome good or bad. Edited October 2, 2016 by Ryu forgot a letter 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted October 2, 2016 #3 Share Posted October 2, 2016 20 minutes ago, Jackie1992 said: I guess it could be done in the right hands what's ur opinion? Sure, why not . Most of my magic I do in the dark 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted October 2, 2016 #4 Share Posted October 2, 2016 19 minutes ago, back to earth said: Sure, why not . Most of my magic I do in the dark Hmmm...that could be interpreted in so many ways. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted October 2, 2016 #5 Share Posted October 2, 2016 35 minutes ago, Ryu said: Magic, assuming for the sake of the topic that it exists, is just magic. There is no "good" or "bad" magic; it is the intention behind it that makes the outcome good or bad. If it's really "magic," then it is woo superstition and irrational. There is no such thing in the real world. If it is not really magic but some unexplained phenomenon, then it behooves those who think it is real to be objective and find explanations, or at least not believe without seriously persuasive evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted October 2, 2016 #6 Share Posted October 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, Frank Merton said: If it's really "magic," then it is woo superstition and irrational. There is no such thing in the real world. If it is not really magic but some unexplained phenomenon, then it behooves those who think it is real to be objective and find explanations, or at least not believe without seriously persuasive evidence. I agree totally. All these "rituals" are just for the mind and serves no other function than to satiate the need for mysticism. It can be fun as long as one realizes that it is real action that produces results and not hand flailing or chanting incoherently while burning oodles of grasses and stuff. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkenpath25 Posted October 2, 2016 #7 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I don't think so and if it could it probably turn out to be bad in the long run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka CAT Posted October 2, 2016 #8 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Black magic is Satanic. It is evil. Only God can make good of bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted October 2, 2016 #9 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I'd say that dark magic can be used for Good. Because to me, there is good and evil, which are different from right and wrong. Using dark magic is wrong, and will result in punishment eventually, but it can be used for good, or for evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted October 2, 2016 #10 Share Posted October 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Ryu said: Hmmm...that could be interpreted in so many ways. I'm like that ..... multi-level . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted October 2, 2016 #11 Share Posted October 2, 2016 10 hours ago, aka CAT said: Black magic is Satanic. It is evil. Only God can make good of bad. There is no "good" or "Evil" magic. Like I said, it is the intent behind it that determines its nature. The same goes for anything; a car can be used for "good" intentions like transportation (well, that one was stretch now, wasn't it?) or pulling someone out of a ditch. But can be used for bad things like running people over, driving deliberately through store windows or to commit other crimes. Even a simple act of writing a letter can be bad if you use it to harass or otherwise threaten someone. It is all about intention. Except liver....liver is bad, evil and gross. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted October 2, 2016 #12 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Whatever it is that you do...you never really know the consequences of it. Suppose a little boy needs an operation to live and you donate money towards it. He survives, grows up and becomes a serial killer. Was it evil to help him? You just do the best you can with the information you have. Most people would probably say they'd have stopped Hitler if they could have...by any means. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka CAT Posted October 2, 2016 #13 Share Posted October 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Ryu said: There is no "good" or "Evil" magic. Like I said, it is the intent behind it that determines its nature. The same goes for anything; a car can be used for "good" intentions like transportation (well, that one was stretch now, wasn't it?) or pulling someone out of a ditch. But can be used for bad things like running people over, driving deliberately through store windows or to commit other crimes. Even a simple act of writing a letter can be bad if you use it to harass or otherwise threaten someone. It is all about intention. Except liver....liver is bad, evil and gross. In deed, I do not actually believe in magic. Belief in it is harmful. Magic is illusion, whereas what is referred to as black magic is the conjuring of Satan for what can only be destructive purposes. Idiots who do so are self-destructive. God is good, God is Great. We share the same opinion of liver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted October 2, 2016 #14 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Magic(k) is sort of like prayer, and it can be good therapy. There's a lot of horrible things that go on in the world, and many of them the average person is powerless to do anything about. If it helps you sleep better at night because you made a sigil to try and stop the terrorists or something, then that's one good night of sleep for you...win. And if your choice is to light a votive candle and say a prayer...still, that's one good night of sleep for you. Edited October 2, 2016 by ChaosRose 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 2, 2016 #15 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Magick is the art and science of creating change in conformity to will. By this definition any intention act is one of magick. The occult variety of magick allows you to manipulate your consciousness on a deeper level. Making a poppet of your boss can release stress after a long day a work. Doesn't mean that what you do to the doll will happen to your boss. "Dark" magick or the negative aspect can lead to dangerous level of obsession. It's worse when you've self-induced demonic paranoia in yourself. We have a thread here where someone's obsessed with a 'demon' they've summon and claim every evp they get is from him. That's magick in a bad way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka CAT Posted October 2, 2016 #16 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChaosRose said: Magic(k) is sort of like prayer, and it can be good therapy. There's a lot of horrible things that go on in the world, and many of them the average person is powerless to do anything about. If it helps you sleep better at night because you made a sigil to try and stop the terrorists or something, then that's one good night of sleep for you...win. And if your choice is to light a votive candle and say a prayer...still, that's one good night of sleep for you. Why "sort of like" do anything? Isn't that like half-heartedly only half-finishing anything? I'm thankful for the cause I'm given to believe in something greater than myself, greater than mankind and all of creation itself. So grateful am I that I must humbly believe everyone given cause at sometime or other to acknowledge the Creator. That those who come here tend to seek answers beyond what is scientifically provable gives me hope of their developing the faith prerequisite to realization in God. 0:-) MGby'all Edited October 2, 2016 by aka CAT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meldrey Posted October 23, 2016 #17 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Can you use a gun to keep peace? Can you use a scalpel to cause harm? Can you use venom to heal? Can you use love to kill? The question you're asking, rephrased: can I use [tool] to achieve [result]? The answer: if you possess the creativity or create the opportunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wondering Soul Posted October 24, 2016 #18 Share Posted October 24, 2016 That's a very board term to be using, But from what I remember. Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Ed > dark/black/nerco Alignments> Lawful Evil ~ Chaotic Evil are the only people that can use such magic. Some neutral evil villains hold up evil as an ideal, committing evil for its own sake. Most often, such villains are devoted to evil deities or secret societies. Chaotic evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents the destruction not only of beauty and life but also of the order on which beauty and life depend. So the short end of the stick would be no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted October 24, 2016 #19 Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Wondering Soul said: That's a very board term to be using, But from what I remember.Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Ed > dark/black/nerco Alignments> Lawful Evil ~ Chaotic Evil are the only people that can use such magic. Some neutral evil villains hold up evil as an ideal, committing evil for its own sake. Most often, such villains are devoted to evil deities or secret societies. Chaotic evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents the destruction not only of beauty and life but also of the order on which beauty and life depend. So the short end of the stick would be no. I like your DnD reference--I've been a fan and have been playing for a bi over 30 years--but why pick on 2nd edition specifically? And, it's technically Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd ed.... Edited October 24, 2016 by Thorvir Hrothgaard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wondering Soul Posted October 25, 2016 #21 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I tend to play 0th ed, but I felt that the 2nd ed had a better combat system. It was better detailed tactically, and the core rules relied more on team work rather than solo adventure. 3rd - 5th ed seem......I don't know ...bit far from the apple tree ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSilhouette Posted October 26, 2016 #22 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) On 10/1/2016 at 5:31 PM, Jackie1992 said: I guess it could be done in the right hands what's ur opinion? Can you use dark magic for good? NO. That's like saying "should I wash my whites in engine oil?" Use common sense! Use light magic. Edited October 26, 2016 by SSilhouette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted October 26, 2016 #23 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Heh, this is funny.... 1 hour ago, SSilhouette said: NO. That's like saying "should I wash my whites in engine oil?" Use common sense! Use light magic. You should actually try doing that for once yourself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted October 27, 2016 #24 Share Posted October 27, 2016 On 10/24/2016 at 11:45 PM, Wondering Soul said: I tend to play 0th ed, but I felt that the 2nd ed had a better combat system. It was better detailed tactically, and the core rules relied more on team work rather than solo adventure. 3rd - 5th ed seem......I don't know ...bit far from the apple tree ? I myself, like the 2nd edition also, though it had a lot of rules that could be abused. 3rd was a lot more balanced. 4th just sucked rocks royally. 5th I just don't want to contemplate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted October 27, 2016 #25 Share Posted October 27, 2016 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: I myself, like the 2nd edition also, though it had a lot of rules that could be abused. 3rd was a lot more balanced. 4th just sucked rocks royally. 5th I just don't want to contemplate. I am old-school, I am most fond of 2nd edition and earlier versions. My favorite is Menter's basic editions, very good, neatly laid-out and a lot more involving that contemporary versions. What I run now is a houseruled version taking the best from all editions--except 4th of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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