Claire. Posted October 21, 2016 #1 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Russia wants to observe U.S. voters on Election Day. Three states said no. Russian authorities have asked local U.S. officials if they can observe polling locations in at least three American states on Election Day, but they were rejected amid intense scrutiny of that country’s actions regarding the upcoming elections. Foreign observers have come to the United States to monitor elections before, so such visits are not rare, but Russia’s requests came as American officials are examining efforts by the Kremlin to interfere with the 2016 race. Earlier this month, the U.S. government formally accused Russia of trying to interfere with the electoral process. Officials in Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana all said they received requests from Russian authorities in August. All three states turned down these requests last month. The states received identically-worded letters from Alexander K. Kazharov, Russia’s consul general in Houston. In these letters, Kazharov asked them to let an officer of the Consulate General of the Russian Federation in Houston “be present (for a short period of time, when convenient)” at a voting station “with the goal of studying the US experience in organization of voting process” during the presidential election. Read more: The Washington Post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted October 21, 2016 #2 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Well if Russia is being accused of interfering and meddling it stands to reason that they should be invited to observe the process in the interest of fairness ... ~ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted October 22, 2016 #3 Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) Paranoia anyone? "Hey Tovarisch, I give you bottle of Vodka but you vote Democratski huh!" Seriously, how much influence can they have on voters? Edited October 22, 2016 by Black Red Devil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 22, 2016 #4 Share Posted October 22, 2016 If we had been accused of tampering with the electoral process in the UK or Oz I suspect your leaders would react the same way to such a request. Not because of the chance of seriously influencing the polling place, but just out of pique at the whole situation. If Russia hacked the DNC then there IS a trail to prove it. You can be sure that if we return the favor, they will point out the trail we leave. It's actually a potentially dangerous situation - IF Obama actually were to follow through and react to the intrusion into our most important process. Vlad isn't in a position to allow ANY insult to his regime. He has to always appear to be "strong like bull" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted October 22, 2016 #5 Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 hours ago, third_eye said: Well if Russia is being accused of interfering and meddling it stands to reason that they should be invited to observe the process in the interest of fairness ... ~ No it doesn't stand to reason at all. They've been accused of meddling because that's where the evidence points. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted October 22, 2016 #6 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Black Red Devil said: Paranoia anyone? "Hey Tovarisch, I give you bottle of Vodka but you vote Democratski huh!" Seriously, how much influence can they have on voters? Their influence has already been witnessed by the Wikileaks releases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted October 22, 2016 #7 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, Zenith said: No it doesn't stand to reason at all. They've been accused of meddling because that's where the evidence points. Hardly evidence as it now stands ... provisionally the source and method of acquisition is highly questionable and as such it is merely rumored and opinionated. Case in point as an example ... you dig in the garbage and finds plans to construct an excessively large explosive device ... would you consider that as evidence ? If so would that in turn qualifies it as evidence in a court of law ? ~ There is a difference and the difference is such as it is as it now stands ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted October 22, 2016 #8 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, third_eye said: Hardly evidence as it now stands ... provisionally the source and method of acquisition is highly questionable and as such it is merely rumored and opinionated. Wrong on all counts. Not rumored, not opinionated, but based on the facts resulting from a thorough investigation. The hackers have been tracked and traced. Stay with the tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted October 22, 2016 #9 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just now, Zenith said: Wrong on all counts. Not rumored, not opinionated, but based on the facts resulting from a thorough investigation. The hackers have been tracked and traced. Stay with the tour. Well excuse me if I don't ... your facts on tracked and traced is based on best and qualified guesses put forth by those who has no inkling on the technicalities but merely on an opinion based on who is most probable to gain and profit from it ... in other words the most beautiful scapegoat on parade they can muster to hide their ineptitude of coming up with an answer ... though to be fair it is virtually impossible to 'track' these security leaks even if one were to be on the spot 24/7 all through the cycle ... these same set of evidence was used as positives to blame China not too long ago ... yeah ... that's like saying the Bullet that killed JFK was also the same bullet that killed Lincoln ... AIn't fooling no one but the ones that wanna be a believer ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted October 22, 2016 #10 Share Posted October 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, third_eye said: Well excuse me if I don't ... your facts on tracked and traced is based on best and qualified guesses put forth by those who has no inkling on the technicalities but merely on an opinion based on who is most probable to gain and profit from it ... in other words the most beautiful scapegoat on parade they can muster to hide their ineptitude of coming up with an answer I wouldn't call our cyber-security and intelligence experts inept. But save it. I'm not interested in your inane conspiracy theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted October 22, 2016 #11 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Zenith said: I wouldn't call our cyber-security and intelligence experts inept. But save it. I'm not interested in your inane conspiracy theories. On the contrary it is you that is entangled with the conspiracy theories ... just one note to drum at your snare before the cymbals ... IF Russia were behind this the last thing you can track and trace would be anything that can be traced and tracked back to RUssia ... and that's just one of the basic fundamentals of hacking ... Don't give up the day job ... saved and filed ... EOF ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted October 22, 2016 #12 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Zenith said: I wouldn't call our cyber-security and intelligence experts inept. But save it. I'm not interested in your inane conspiracy theories. Look who's talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissJatti Posted October 22, 2016 #13 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Whats the point, the votes going to be rigged anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted October 22, 2016 #14 Share Posted October 22, 2016 8 hours ago, Zenith said: Wrong on all counts. Not rumored, not opinionated, but based on the facts resulting from a thorough investigation. The hackers have been tracked and traced. Stay with the tour. an investigation from the obama admin. don't make me laugh they just accuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted October 22, 2016 #15 Share Posted October 22, 2016 11 hours ago, Clair said: Russia wants to observe U.S. voters on Election Day. Three states said no. Russian authorities have asked local U.S. officials if they can observe polling locations in at least three American states on Election Day, but they were rejected amid intense scrutiny of that country’s actions regarding the upcoming elections. Foreign observers have come to the United States to monitor elections before, so such visits are not rare, but Russia’s requests came as American officials are examining efforts by the Kremlin to interfere with the 2016 race. Earlier this month, the U.S. government formally accused Russia of trying to interfere with the electoral process. Officials in Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana all said they received requests from Russian authorities in August. All three states turned down these requests last month. The states received identically-worded letters from Alexander K. Kazharov, Russia’s consul general in Houston. In these letters, Kazharov asked them to let an officer of the Consulate General of the Russian Federation in Houston “be present (for a short period of time, when convenient)” at a voting station “with the goal of studying the US experience in organization of voting process” during the presidential election. Read more: The Washington Post They know its the only way Trump will get a fair election because Hillary's minions will be stuffing in 1000's of fake votes in marginal states. The media are already lying about him, lying about poll results and generally trying to manipulate the perceptions of Americans. The UN should step in. Put observers at every single polling station with the boxes under constant CCTV coverage. Then no one can cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted October 22, 2016 Author #16 Share Posted October 22, 2016 10 hours ago, and then said: If we had been accused of tampering with the electoral process in the UK or Oz I suspect your leaders would react the same way to such a request. Not because of the chance of seriously influencing the polling place, but just out of pique at the whole situation. If Russia hacked the DNC then there IS a trail to prove it. You can be sure that if we return the favor, they will point out the trail we leave. It's actually a potentially dangerous situation - IF Obama actually were to follow through and react to the intrusion into our most important process. Vlad isn't in a position to allow ANY insult to his regime. He has to always appear to be "strong like bull" Absolutely on all points. There IS as you state a trail to Russia. What hasn't been definitively established is whether or not that trail goes all the way to the Russian government. Our government, however, feels strongly enough at this point to have made a formal accusation. The fact that the Russians have asked to observe our voting process in light of this just makes them seem that much more questionably vested. Imagine their reaction if we made the same request of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted October 22, 2016 #17 Share Posted October 22, 2016 We are just trying to make Russia look like the bad guy, so when we step over them to kill Assad, people will think it's justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted October 22, 2016 #18 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Like hell they want to "observe". More likely to stage provocations, and record reactions they would find to be fit for their propaganda. I can guarantee, if Russian "observers" will be allowed into polling locations, there will be RT, LieNews, Sputnik, and other Kremlin smegheads around, trying to find/stage something to discredit elections. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted October 22, 2016 #19 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Looks like Trump stirred up a big pile of stink and now everybody has to work overtime to deal with the throws and the slings ... Quote ~ For first time, U.S. elections to be monitored by OAS observers - just ... www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news...blogs/.../article109172407.html Miami Herald 3 days ago - For the first time ever, the Organization of American States (OAS) will monitor the upcoming U.S. presidential elections, putting the United ... ~ Elections in the United States of America | OSCE www.osce.org › ... › Elections Organization for Security and Co‑operation in Europe Following an invitation to observe the 8 November 2016 general elections in the United States of America, based on the findings and conclusions of the Needs ... ~ Foreign election observers to cast their eyes on the US presidential vote https://www.washingtonpost.com/...election-observers...us.../2fb06... The Washington Post Oct 5, 2016 - The world will be watching from close-up when the United States chooses a president next month, as foreign election observers fan out to ... ~ ~ There's even a Petition to the UN ... Quote Appeal for UN election observers to oversee the United States elections of 2016 Petition by Todd Schwartz To be delivered to United Nations General Assembly We, the people of these United States, have recently come to have grave doubts about the integrity of our electoral process. We humbly beg the General Assembly of the United Nations to send observers to closely oversee our 2016 elections, and especially to examine the policies, apparatus, and other processes involved at all levels in order to ensure that every citizen has the opportunity to vote and every vote is counted. There are currently 953 signatures. NEW goal - We need 1000 move on org link ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why not Posted October 22, 2016 #20 Share Posted October 22, 2016 If Hillary wins the election fair and square at the ballet box I will except that for what it is, even with the cheating by the MSM. I won't like it, but I'll except it. That's all I ask. So if it takes someone to monitor every voting station in this country to make sure it fair, that good with me. I have absolutely no trust in Hillary or the ones around her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted October 22, 2016 #21 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Russia is just playing up the Drumpf's claims of the Election being rigged. They are using psychological warfare to sow dissent to the American people regarding the process. In other words, they are being trolls here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted October 22, 2016 Author #22 Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 minute ago, supervike said: In other words, they are being trolls here. If I could have 'liked' that comment a gazillion trillion times, I would have. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted October 22, 2016 #23 Share Posted October 22, 2016 3 hours ago, supervike said: Russia is just playing up the Drumpf's claims of the Election being rigged. They are using psychological warfare to sow dissent to the American people regarding the process. In other words, they are being trolls here. Russia isn't doing anything to provoke this response. There is no evidence for what they are accused of 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted October 22, 2016 #24 Share Posted October 22, 2016 19 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: Russia isn't doing anything to provoke this response. There is no evidence for what they are accused of Yeah right our intelligence guys made it all up like they've got nothing better to go after the Russians with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted October 22, 2016 #25 Share Posted October 22, 2016 17 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: Russia isn't doing anything to provoke this response. There is no evidence for what they are accused of Oh, I see. You think Russian's claim to want to observe our elections is all based on a general concern they have for our freedoms? And regarding the evidence. You want to believe Drumpf on this.... But even Pence disagrees. http://www.newsweek.com/pence-contradicts-trump-russia-behind-hacks-510468 And here is more of the 'no evidence' you claim http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/russia-us-election/ http://www.wsj.com/articles/top-russian-officials-shift-away-from-denying-dnc-hack-1476295233 from that article: Last week, U.S. intelligence agencies said they are confident senior Russian officials had directed such activities, and that the stolen data was then leaked publicly through Wikileaks, an online persona called Guccifer 2.0, and a website called DCLeaks.com. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/politics/spy-agency-consensus-grows-that-russia-hacked-dnc.html http://www.vox.com/world/2016/10/20/13346242/trump-russia-hacking-third-debate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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