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I know it has been a very long time since I've posted here, many of you probably don't even know who I am, last time I posted about this I was pretty much told that I was crazy because "Demons don't exist" and "Well that's your fault" so I'll start from the beginning and work up to today...

(WARNING: This may be long)

When I was 17 I used a Ouija board, one time and one time only. I was able to contact a demon that called himself Estes (I know that it's the name of companies and parks, please don't go there, I've been over that and it's not cute), he claimed to command 47 legions of demons in hell and was very close to Satan himself. While I was doing this I got a text from my friend that said "What are you doing?!" when I told her she told me that I needed to stop, basically she told me that it felt like something was trying to sexually assault her and it flashed an image of itself in her mind, she described him as having blue skin with darker blue spots, rams horns with a bald head, goats legs and was very tall and muscular. Long story short I commanded him to leave her alone but I accidentally struck a deal with him, he told me that, because I ruined his good time, he would follow me until the day I die and torment me for the rest of my life, so for the time being, I was oppressed by this demonic entity.

Fast forward 3 years and I sought the counsel of a pastor who anointed be with the oil of an olive from Jerusalem that had been blessed by a Rabbi, I immediately saw a flash of light and felt incredibly calm and like a weight had been lifted, he gave me some advice on how to get rid of it, off of me, because the anointing was more of a deterrent that would just keep the demon at bay so that I could gather my strength to kick it out. I followed his advice and when I was done, I saw the curtains by the window I was looking at flutter and I felt him leave. Not long after that he came back, not on me but in the woods around my house so I started performing house blessings, he would leave for a day or two but come right back, I have tried many, many other things to get rid of him but he just won't leave.

Now fast forward to today, about 5 years later, and I moved away to a new state, halfway across the country and I feel very relieved and very free, however... My sister and her husband moved into the house my family was living in and things have escalated to a point that they can not take it anymore, he has manifested himself in a visual, auditory and physical form, he torments them day and night, switching breakers that cut off the power to half of the house while my sister is home alone in the middle of the night, she locks the car doors every night and my car that is still down there, she looked one night and saw someone sitting in there, smoking a cigarette, the person then looked over at her and grinned, her husband went to check it out immediately and he said he didn't see anything at all, he took out his phone and started taking a video, just in case it was a person and they needed proof in case they had to shoot him, and there was a black figure, stooped down behind my car that started growling at them, it could only be seen in the camera though. These are just a couple of examples out of at least 20 that she shared with me last night.

The point is... I am sick of this, I had to deal with it on my own for 3 years and somehow the woods made this demon stronger, my sister was about 2 days away from checking herself into a mental rehabilitation clinic until I let her know that she wasn't crazy and that I had seen and heard these things too when I lived there. I have sought the counsel of someone who will be getting in touch with a very spiritual man who has a lot of dealings in this type of thing, but I really would like to get some advice from other sources as well, this thing has terrorized my family for years, it almost drove my mother and father to divorce until they moved out, the moment they moved into a new house they were perfectly fine again. I just need some advice, so please don't come up in here talking about "You're fine, because demons don't exist!" because until you've actually experienced what kind of hell it is to live with these things happening on a daily basis, only to have them all stop suddenly when you move away, don't try to tell me I didn't see, hear or feel the things that I know I saw, heard and felt.

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5 minutes ago, AngelsShadow said:

I know it has been a very long time since I've posted here, many of you probably don't even know who I am, last time I posted about this I was pretty much told that I was crazy because "Demons don't exist" and "Well that's your fault" so I'll start from the beginning and work up to today...

(WARNING: This may be long)

When I was 17 I used a Ouija board, one time and one time only. I was able to contact a demon that called himself Estes (I know that it's the name of companies and parks, please don't go there, I've been over that and it's not cute), he claimed to command 47 legions of demons in hell and was very close to Satan himself. While I was doing this I got a text from my friend that said "What are you doing?!" when I told her she told me that I needed to stop, basically she told me that it felt like something was trying to sexually assault her and it flashed an image of itself in her mind, she described him as having blue skin with darker blue spots, rams horns with a bald head, goats legs and was very tall and muscular. Long story short I commanded him to leave her alone but I accidentally struck a deal with him, he told me that, because I ruined his good time, he would follow me until the day I die and torment me for the rest of my life, so for the time being, I was oppressed by this demonic entity.

If Estes was real it would have been mentioned in the Goetia. Closest you get to that name is Eligos and he is a duke that commands 60 legions. Sounds to me that you've created your very own 'demonic' thought-form. Congratulations. Now you've got a malicious idea running around your subconscious.

Fast forward 3 years and I sought the counsel of a pastor who anointed be with the oil of an olive from Jerusalem that had been blessed by a Rabbi, I immediately saw a flash of light and felt incredibly calm and like a weight had been lifted, he gave me some advice on how to get rid of it, off of me, because the anointing was more of a deterrent that would just keep the demon at bay so that I could gather my strength to kick it out. I followed his advice and when I was done, I saw the curtains by the window I was looking at flutter and I felt him leave. Not long after that he came back, not on me but in the woods around my house so I started performing house blessings, he would leave for a day or two but come right back, I have tried many, many other things to get rid of him but he just won't leave.

Placebo effect masked the problem but didn't resolve it. 

Now fast forward to today, about 5 years later, and I moved away to a new state, halfway across the country and I feel very relieved and very free, however... My sister and her husband moved into the house my family was living in and things have escalated to a point that they can not take it anymore, he has manifested himself in a visual, auditory and physical form, he torments them day and night, switching breakers that cut off the power to half of the house while my sister is home alone in the middle of the night, she locks the car doors every night and my car that is still down there, she looked one night and saw someone sitting in there, smoking a cigarette, the person then looked over at her and grinned, her husband went to check it out immediately and he said he didn't see anything at all, he took out his phone and started taking a video, just in case it was a person and they needed proof in case they had to shoot him, and there was a black figure, stooped down behind my car that started growling at them, it could only be seen in the camera though. These are just a couple of examples out of at least 20 that she shared with me last night.

Idea's are like a virus they spread. Your story probably took root in your sisters mind. Faulty electrical wiring or a bad breaker can cause the power to go out. An electrician might need to be called. I would like to see this video he made. 

The point is... I am sick of this, I had to deal with it on my own for 3 years and somehow the woods made this demon stronger, my sister was about 2 days away from checking herself into a mental rehabilitation clinic until I let her know that she wasn't crazy and that I had seen and heard these things too when I lived there. I have sought the counsel of someone who will be getting in touch with a very spiritual man who has a lot of dealings in this type of thing, but I really would like to get some advice from other sources as well, this thing has terrorized my family for years, it almost drove my mother and father to divorce until they moved out, the moment they moved into a new house they were perfectly fine again. I just need some advice, so please don't come up in here talking about "You're fine, because demons don't exist!" because until you've actually experienced what kind of hell it is to live with these things happening on a daily basis, only to have them all stop suddenly when you move away, don't try to tell me I didn't see, hear or feel the things that I know I saw, heard and felt.

You sister probably should have had a full psych evaluation, because seeing and hearing things that aren't there is not a good sign. If it's affecting your sister it might be what's affected you as well. 

If we get the idea in our heads that a place is cursed it will become 'cursed' through association. The hell you describe is completely in your head. Demons exist in our imaginations, created by us and fueled through fear. We are our own worst enemy. My advice is to see help from a professional not a snake oil salesman. Placebo's only work so long. 

 

2 minutes ago, jamesjr191 said:

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the reading this post is sure to produce.:D

Thinking about me weren't you.:lol:

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she described him as having blue skin with darker blue spots, rams horns with a bald head, goats legs and was very tall and muscular.

 

Goat legs wouldn't make ANYTHING tall

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Welcome back AngelsShadow :st As you can tell since the last time you were around, there have been some changes to the website. Since you haven't been around in a while- please refresh yourself on the forum rules, found here: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/guidelines/

Some folks may have come and gone, and threads as well since you've last been here. Take time to reacquaint yourself with UM :tu:

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1 hour ago, AngelsShadow said:

her husband went to check it out immediately and he said he didn't see anything at all, he took out his phone and started taking a video, just in case it was a person and they needed proof in case they had to shoot him, and there was a black figure, stooped down behind my car that started growling at them, it could only be seen in the camera though.

Please post the video.

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21 hours ago, Four Winds said:

Please post the video.

Indeed. I would demand this beast reveal himself so you can make a ****load of money selling the pics.

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This kinda reads like a combination of those Ouija movies and Paranormal Activity.:hmm:

I'd name it Ouija Abnormal Activity.

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You mentioned a pastor and a rabbi, so I don't know what religion you are. 

The LBRP should suffice (Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram) if you have managed to haunt yourself. And quit haunting yourself. Obviously, you shouldn't use a Ouija board if you are even subconsciously terrified that demons will attack you over it. Inner "demons" have a habit of becoming outer ones for people who scare themselves silly. If you manage to realize you're the one in control of the phenomena, then you can rein it in. Otherwise, you have to find something you believe in more strongly than you believe in the phenomena. That can be a challenge. You should go for that first one and realize you're in control. 

 

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1 minute ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

 

Because while I'm not naive enough to believe that legions of hell and ouija boards and Estes Lauder are real, this is still interesting stuff.  Except for the ouija board part....those are nothing but toys.

Ha!

I challenge anyone to find the version of Goetia with Estee Lauder as a demon. Although, they do say the Devil wears Prada. 

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Just now, ChaosRose said:

Ha!

I challenge anyone to find the version of Goetia with Estee Lauder as a demon. Although, they do say the Devil wears Prada. 

Challenge accepted.  Though, spoilers, I'll probably fail this one.

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1 minute ago, ChaosRose said:

I challenge anyone to find the version of Goetia with Estee Lauder as a demon. Although, they do say the Devil wears Prada. 

Didn't you read my original reply?

3 hours ago, XenoFish said:

If Estes was real it would have been mentioned in the Goetia. Closest you get to that name is Eligos and he is a duke that commands 60 legions. Sounds to me that you've created your very own 'demonic' thought-form. Congratulations. Now you've got a malicious idea running around your subconscious.

 

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1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

You mentioned a pastor and a rabbi, so I don't know what religion you are. 

The LBRP should suffice (Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram) if you have managed to haunt yourself. And quit haunting yourself. Obviously, you shouldn't use a Ouija board if you are even subconsciously terrified that demons will attack you over it. Inner "demons" have a habit of becoming outer ones for people who scare themselves silly. If you manage to realize you're the one in control of the phenomena, then you can rein it in. Otherwise, you have to find something you believe in more strongly than you believe in the phenomena. That can be a challenge. You should go for that first one and realize you're in control. 

 

I would not recommend this ^^ 

I PMed you AngelsShadow.

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SS does have a point about "pouncers", though. They do seem to come in flocks, hereabouts, they remind me a little of "missionaries", carrying the banner of reason into dark places. Sometimes you wonder if they aren't as much about convincing themselves, as others !

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I'm going to go ahead and put this whole mental issue thing to bed right now. I did seek out help when I moved away, my counselor gave me a clean bill of health, even went so far as to take out a part of my medical record where a doctor wrote that I had Asperger's Syndrome, my counselor saw no evidence of any mental health issues, not even the aforementioned Asperger's Syndrome that I was misdiagnosed with. My sister has also sought help with her mental health a while back, the only thing the doctor said was wrong with her was mild anxiety, nothing more and nothing that would cause this. Her husband has sought help for mental health and the doctor told him he may be borderline narcissistic but nothing that would cause any sort of auditory or visual hallucinations. We have been checked for mental health concerns and everything came back negative for any sort of Schizophrenia, Multiple Personalities Disorder are anything else that would cause these problems in any way. These are NOT in our heads, it has been proven by a medical professional for all of us.

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Habitat, I want these things to be true, want to know that there is "something else" going on.  But I have an open mind about it, and want all possible explanations eliminated first.  Once all of those are taken care of, then, and only then, can other possibilities finally be explored.  I won't be fooled by hooey and gobbledygook anymore.  If ghosts are real, then it has to be proven.  And I have no patience with those that won't open their eyes to anything other than their own bias.  What's the point of coming to a forum seeking an explanation when that person ignores all of those explanations?

At this point, there is no evidence whatsoever that "something else" is going on.  And, honestly, I find that disappointing.

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5 minutes ago, AngelsShadow said:

I'm going to go ahead and put this whole mental issue thing to bed right now. I did seek out help when I moved away, my counselor gave me a clean bill of health, even went so far as to take out a part of my medical record where a doctor wrote that I had Asperger's Syndrome, my counselor saw no evidence of any mental health issues, not even the aforementioned Asperger's Syndrome that I was misdiagnosed with. My sister has also sought help with her mental health a while back, the only thing the doctor said was wrong with her was mild anxiety, nothing more and nothing that would cause this. Her husband has sought help for mental health and the doctor told him he may be borderline narcissistic but nothing that would cause any sort of auditory or visual hallucinations. We have been checked for mental health concerns and everything came back negative for any sort of Schizophrenia, Multiple Personalities Disorder are anything else that would cause these problems in any way. These are NOT in our heads, it has been proven by a medical professional for all of us.

If true, that is all good and you should have led with that.  Now, the next step is to check out the house for anything that might be causing hallucinations and what not.  Mold, gas, electrical currents...

And if you come back and suddenly claim that all of that was taken care of already, as part of your story, like your sudden revelation about getting checked out mentally, that will be hard to accept.

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2 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

The problem with that is it is not accurate statement.  Person A comes in with a story, asking for help.  Several other persons come in with sound advice, sometimes a little joviality, which is healthy.  Person A lashes out because the sound advice isn't confirming their bias.  Person B comes in with the full weight of unscientific resolve and starts bashing away at the sound advice persons.  Those persons then get ticked off at the intolerance shown by A and B, and things spiral out of control after that.

Maybe so in this thread, but I have seen endless examples of people automatically discounting stuff because "there is no proof". (meaning no proof available to them, which is not the same). The presumption being that there are no mysteries that can't be explained rationally, which we just don't know is correct.

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Just now, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

If true, that is all good and you should have led with that.  Now, the next step is to check out the house for anything that might be causing hallucinations and what not.

Generally whenever you're terrified of something, you don't start off with "This is what's happening, by the way I got checked out by a mental health specialist and everything is in tip top shape." when you're frightened and at your whits end, you tend to just get to the point and skip over the niceties. That being said, that is no excuse for people to laugh, make fun of or make light of a situation where real people's lives are being affected in a negative way that's cause real suffering.

Since I got that off of my chest, there isn't anything in the house that would cause hallucinations, my mother and father never suffered from anything that the three of us did, I'm not sure if I mentioned it but they were fighting a lot, but I'm pretty sure a hallucinogen doesn't cause aggression unless you hallucinate something that makes you get aggressive, I've never heard of someone taking a hallucinogen and inherently getting angry at their spouse.

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Just now, Habitat said:

Maybe so in this thread, but I have seen endless examples of people automatically discounting stuff because "there is no proof". (meaning no proof available to them, which is not the same).

Then all that needs to be done is to provide proof.

Just now, Habitat said:

The presumption being that there are no mysteries that can't be explained rationally, which we just don't know is correct.

Do we know that?  Just because something can't be explained rationally at the moment, doesn't mean it won't be in the future.

And, once again, to change the mind of a skeptic such as me, all one has to do is provide evidence.  Otherwise, these claims are nothing but neat stories.

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2 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

 

Do we know that?  Just because something can't be explained rationally at the moment, doesn't mean it won't be in the future.

Perhaps so, but we do not know it to be necessarily the case.

And, once again, to change the mind of a skeptic such as me, all one has to do is provide evidence.  Otherwise, these claims are nothing but neat stories.

That assumes it is the skeptic, or the dreaded scoffer, that it is the aim to convince. It may just be more for the information of the open minded, or wavering believer.

 

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Nobody can provide "proof" on the internet Thorvir.  Even if he had a video of an apparition, you'd say it was doctored footage and that he's a fraud.  You may actually be harming him psychologically by gaslighting him.  Did that ever occur to you?  He has given enough information to convince me that independent corroboration is going on as to the events.  He even doubted himself enough to get checked out medically.  So he is more of a skeptic than you apparently.  But a true skeptic admits when he can't explain something; so he's here pre-emptively seeking help for a conclusion he's arrived at scientifically.  And I offered him that help.

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Just now, AngelsShadow said:

Generally whenever you're terrified of something, you don't start off with "This is what's happening, by the way I got checked out by a mental health specialist and everything is in tip top shape." when you're frightened and at your whits end, you tend to just get to the point and skip over the niceties. That being said, that is no excuse for people to laugh, make fun of or make light of a situation where real people's lives are being affected in a negative way that's cause real suffering.

No one was actually laughing or making fun of you, btw.  Not one person called you out on your story.  One people did was inject a bit of jaded levity into this discussion, because, honestly, these kind of stories happen all of the time, and the invariably end up as false claims.  What SShilloute did was stir the pot, turn it into a flame war because that's what he/she loves doing, and is completely intolerant of anyone having a different opinion.  I would recommend distancing myself from that poster, he/she does not have anyone's best interests in mind, and is only using you as a tool to continue trolling the rest of us.

 

Just now, AngelsShadow said:

Since I got that off of my chest, there isn't anything in the house that would cause hallucinations, my mother and father never suffered from anything that the three of us did, I'm not sure if I mentioned it but they were fighting a lot, but I'm pretty sure a hallucinogen doesn't cause aggression unless you hallucinate something that makes you get aggressive, I've never heard of someone taking a hallucinogen and inherently getting angry at their spouse.

Sigh, okay.

Not a hallucinate, specifically.  That was just an example I gave. Moods can be altered as well.  The apartment I used to live in had some mold problems and it caused some problems with me.  They cleared up once I moved out.  The problems it caused were stress and mood swings.  The landlord was fairly lazy about taking care of the problem.

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Just now, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

Then all that needs to be done is to provide proof.

Do we know that?  Just because something can't be explained rationally at the moment, doesn't mean it won't be in the future.

And, once again, to change the mind of a skeptic such as me, all one has to do is provide evidence.  Otherwise, these claims are nothing but neat stories.

I know a lot of skeptics like to quote intellectuals like Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton so here's one for you from Einstein himself "When all possible things have been disproved, the impossible is the only logical answer." (I know that's probably not verbatim) but even Einstein, one of the most intelligent men to ever live, was willing to accept the fact that not everything can be explained away, what makes any of us think we're smarter than him? He also said "I do not believe in the God of wrath and brutality, I believe in the God of beauty and design." he believed in, at least some form of, God... If he were to come onto this thread today, he would probably never return due to the arrogance and utter disregard for other people's plight, for nothing more than an ego driven desire to be right about something and have one's own curiosity filled, like I said... This forum has changed, it used to be people posting their troubles and getting advice that turned into real help, but now it's just a large sum of people who just want to be right about it and seem to try and make anyone who is having these experiences feel like they are legitimately insane.

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2 minutes ago, Habitat said:

 

I cannot quote what you posted in that format.  So, my apologies, I'm not ignoring you, just leaving it and moving on with the discussion.

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