Zalmoxis Posted October 26, 2016 #1 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) Within the realm of psuedo-science a great number of laughable theories get no credit with real scientists. Ghost hunters? A lot of people would laugh. But these ghost hunters got something real in their Electronic Voice Phenomenon (EVP) recordings. These sounds they record keep them searching. What is EVP? http://www.ghostresearch.org/articles/evp.html They interpret these sounds as voices of the dead or sounds out of other dimensions. EVP ranges overlap the human communication range and extend beyond our natural range, but aren't so separated as a typical radio broadcast frequency. Because of this overlapping it isn't difficult to believe that these sounds aren't the sounds of ghosts. What then are they? Many EVP recordings sound like screams and moans and loud unintelligible nonsense. Since these recordings are often dramatic and abrupt sounding you can see how it wouldn't be too difficult to misinterpret them as something as horrifying as a ghost. Stories of hauntings stretch into our past for millenia, since the dawn of time. It isn't any wonder why people usually connect EVP to ghosts, it seems like a natural fit. Now, radio works in the same manner as natural mouth and ear communication, only with another wave length. Our voices are quickly absorbed in the air though and not sent bouncing around through the atmosphere. A radio signal is an electrical amplification of a sound that is heard through a receiver tuned to the same radio frequency. With a radio to amplify your voice you can shatter glass with a whisper. Our nervous systems work on electrical charges. Though not the same as the electricity in your plug in, it is a much weaker charge that is created chemically inside your body. Read about that in this article. http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/human-body-make-electricity.htm Nonetheless, your brain and nervous system is a pathway for electrons. If you will notice, a radio tower is much like your nervous system when over-simplified. Your spine is a pole and your brain is that knob on top. In theory, you got all the equipment you need to turn yourself into the human equivalent of a radio tower, only on a much smaller scale. The only thing missing is the amplification. This amplification is what sends a sound into the atmosphere when it reaches a peak level and "clips" the normal audible wave length. The energy must be strong enough. We can assume that adrenaline plays a part in this energy surge along with other internal things that I don't know anything about. But for the sake of ameteur theory let's say that these screams recorded on EVP are actually the cries of the living, the horrifying sounds of people in extreme situations trying to escape their doom, not the sounds of ghosts. In such situations a human is most certainly emitting a lot of energy. Perhaps something happens that science has yet to explain where those screams are sent out on an alternate frequency much like a radio broadcast. EVP enthusiast would then be in a different location recording them, believing they are ghosts. Does this theory sound plausible? Edited October 26, 2016 by Zalmoxis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesjr191 Posted October 27, 2016 #2 Share Posted October 27, 2016 So your stating maybe the sounds are somehow amplified by a living persons emotions of pain or hatred, attributing the EVP's to a living human source rather than a supernatural one. ........I know nothing of the 'science' of Evp's but your thoughts do sound plausible to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseCuster Posted October 27, 2016 #3 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Anytime I've listened to it when somebody posts an "amazing" "astounding" "class A" "clear" EVP on these forums, it's clearly nothing but just noise. But it's a strange phenomenon that if you label any random recording as containing an EVP, a significant amount of people will claim to hear the EVP. What's really interesting is that if you simply state that there's an EVP without saying where in the recording it is or what the voices supposedly say, people will still agree that it's a clear EVP, but they will have wildly different interpretations as to what is being said and at what point in the recording, but if you prompt them as to what is being said and when it's being said then they will tend to agree with you. Using some imagination and pareidolia and a bit of experience, you can easily train your mind to "hear" voices saying all sorts of things in random background noise, including interpreting the same random noise audio as completely different things. How some of this nonsense gets labelled by the paranormal community as "Class A EVP" is beyond me. An utterly meaningless label attached to something to make it sound like it has some sort of scientific rigour to it. I'm no expert, but frankly I think the whole subject of EVPs is mostly abject nonsense, just audio pareidolia and wishful thinking, about as meaningful and scientific as people who think photos of rocks on Mars are actually squirrels. Edited October 27, 2016 by JesseCuster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Unicorn Posted October 27, 2016 #4 Share Posted October 27, 2016 14 hours ago, Zalmoxis said: Within the realm of psuedo-science a great number of laughable theories get no credit with real scientists. Ghost hunters? A lot of people would laugh. But these ghost hunters got something real in their Electronic Voice Phenomenon (EVP) recordings. These sounds they record keep them searching. What is EVP? http://www.ghostresearch.org/articles/evp.html They interpret these sounds as voices of the dead or sounds out of other dimensions. EVP ranges overlap the human communication range and extend beyond our natural range, but aren't so separated as a typical radio broadcast frequency. Because of this overlapping it isn't difficult to believe that these sounds aren't the sounds of ghosts. What then are they? Many EVP recordings sound like screams and moans and loud unintelligible nonsense. Since these recordings are often dramatic and abrupt sounding you can see how it wouldn't be too difficult to misinterpret them as something as horrifying as a ghost. Stories of hauntings stretch into our past for millenia, since the dawn of time. It isn't any wonder why people usually connect EVP to ghosts, it seems like a natural fit. Now, radio works in the same manner as natural mouth and ear communication, only with another wave length. Our voices are quickly absorbed in the air though and not sent bouncing around through the atmosphere. A radio signal is an electrical amplification of a sound that is heard through a receiver tuned to the same radio frequency. With a radio to amplify your voice you can shatter glass with a whisper. Our nervous systems work on electrical charges. Though not the same as the electricity in your plug in, it is a much weaker charge that is created chemically inside your body. Read about that in this article. http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/human-body-make-electricity.htm Nonetheless, your brain and nervous system is a pathway for electrons. If you will notice, a radio tower is much like your nervous system when over-simplified. Your spine is a pole and your brain is that knob on top. In theory, you got all the equipment you need to turn yourself into the human equivalent of a radio tower, only on a much smaller scale. The only thing missing is the amplification. This amplification is what sends a sound into the atmosphere when it reaches a peak level and "clips" the normal audible wave length. The energy must be strong enough. We can assume that adrenaline plays a part in this energy surge along with other internal things that I don't know anything about. But for the sake of ameteur theory let's say that these screams recorded on EVP are actually the cries of the living, the horrifying sounds of people in extreme situations trying to escape their doom, not the sounds of ghosts. In such situations a human is most certainly emitting a lot of energy. Perhaps something happens that science has yet to explain where those screams are sent out on an alternate frequency much like a radio broadcast. EVP enthusiast would then be in a different location recording them, believing they are ghosts. Does this theory sound plausible? In general your theory of some things being recorded are sounds of the living sounds more plausible then always being considered a ghost by the ghost hunters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted October 27, 2016 #5 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) My mother was really into EVP and done them a lot. She was always trying to show them to me. Some were a bit interesting, but no smoking gun. I always picked and teased her over it, which was wrong, but funny. 4 years ago she finally convinced me to sit down with her just once, and take it seriously, so i did. We got quite a few whispers and even got an 'electronic' like voice that sounded somewhat creepy. My interest peeked a bit so i told her i'd take her recorder home and give it a shot with me being the only person around. So i took it home and done some sessions. Any time i got bored, i'd do a session every couple days or so. I was never convinced it was ghosts, still don't know what to make of it. But i do know that there was one recording, the only true recording i might even consider. It came through so loud and clear, as if a person was speaking normally and standing right next to me. It's the only recording to this day that i have ever heard that clear. It wasn't a whisper, or electronic. It was truly as if i was recording with someone in the room with me (a female voice), in the normal tone and volume as my own voice. I was alone, living in the country, nearest neighbor was 3 miles. Unfortunately, i can't prove this nor do i have the recording anymore. Gave her recorder back, she probably ended up erasing it. Any voices since then has been the typical EVP whispers and such. I stopped doing EVP's, but sometimes i think back on it. I'm still unsure how that could have happened. The home i done that recording in had no violent history or no one had even died in the home. Still not sure what to think of EVP's, i'm not some naive or gullible person who believes everything i read. As a matter of fact, i feel silly for even typing this post. I have to basically experience it to even consider it. Even now i'm still not convinced, but i look back on that recording and sometimes wonder. This post isn't to validate my story, anyone else's story, or prove the existence of the paranormal. Just a short note to share my only true questionable experience with EVP. Wish i could share the recording, because reading about it and actually hearing it has to be frustrating, especially on a site where so many people make so many outrageous claims. I do not claim EVP's to be legit nor real evidence of the paranormal. As a matter of fact, i believe there could actually be a reasonable explanation for the very loud, female voice i heard. But i'm at a loss for what that explanation might be. Thought about radio interference, but in my humble opinion it was simply too defined, loud and clear. But then again, maybe it was. Paranormal or not, it remains one of the only moments of my life where i truly felt a genuine creep factor, skin crawling creepiness. I didn't sleep well that night. Edited October 27, 2016 by xxxdemonxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted October 27, 2016 #6 Share Posted October 27, 2016 I know that EVPs do show up. I have a different idea about why they show up. Undoubtedly, some of them are the result of pareidolia. There are others, though, and there is other phenomena. In my own personal opinion and experience, it all derives from the psyche. It's "real" in the sense that it can be experienced, sometimes by more than one person in a household. You can also sometimes get things recorded, although it doesn't make much difference. What is there that can't be faked anymore? No one is going to believe it, anyway, and even if they did...that would empower the belief that phenomena is entirely external. That wouldn't help matters at all. There are some people who actually manage to create a variety of phenomena, that can include EVPs. If it did not stem from the psyche, then people would not be able to work on their psyche and lessen or banish the phenomena. People can actually do this, but it's difficult to do so if they don't believe they are in control of it. Some people can have a measure of success working within their religious belief system, but they have to believe in it more strongly than the phenomena for it to have any effect. This is why pretty much every religion has a way to banish "nasties" of all sorts. And it's why they all have the potential to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalmoxis Posted October 29, 2016 Author #7 Share Posted October 29, 2016 On 10/27/2016 at 8:38 AM, White Unicorn said: In general your theory of some things being recorded are sounds of the living sounds more plausible then always being considered a ghost by the ghost hunters. It took a lot of thought. Eventually I decided to separate the claim and evidence. It's a simple idea though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalmoxis Posted October 29, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) In reply to xxx I personally experimented with sound recording devices since I was a young boy and through it all there were exactly zero anomalies on all recordings I ever made. This includes those mini-cassette handhelds, Sony walkmans, cassette stereos, microphones, flip-phones, smart-phones, computer software, VHS camcorders and early digital camcorders. Seeing anomalies on photos though, now that happens regularly. Edited October 29, 2016 by Zalmoxis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalmoxis Posted October 29, 2016 Author #9 Share Posted October 29, 2016 On 10/27/2016 at 6:29 AM, jamesjr191 said: So your stating maybe the sounds are somehow amplified by a living persons emotions of pain or hatred, attributing the EVP's to a living human source rather than a supernatural one. ........I know nothing of the 'science' of Evp's but your thoughts do sound plausible to me. I think that because emotion is a burst of energy and extreme emotion is easiest to tap with the negative end of the spectrum that this accounts for the majority of EVPs being dire sounds. I mean, how extreme would a positive emotion need to be to "enter hypothetical EVP range"? Can humans even equal the output of negative or painful energy bursts with positive emotion? It's all a theory though. I read that grey aliens feed on extreme fear and other extreme emotions and that is why they torment humans, being that they cannot feel emotions in their own bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalmoxis Posted October 29, 2016 Author #10 Share Posted October 29, 2016 In reply to Jesse I think that you are probably right. There's a lot of these EVP recordings while only a handful of them sound like humans. That isn't to say they might even be fakes so really there's not much evidence at all that EVP recordings are ghosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCE Posted February 12, 2017 #11 Share Posted February 12, 2017 The primary criticism of EVP phenomena is that it is difficult to say whether or not the sounds and voices that are caught on recording are due to some sort of outside radio or digital interference. I would recommend the use of a Faraday field on the device which is being used to capture the possible EVPs. If one wanted to test it scientifically, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 12, 2017 #12 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) On 10/29/2016 at 2:12 AM, Zalmoxis said: In reply to xxx I personally experimented with sound recording devices since I was a young boy and through it all there were exactly zero anomalies on all recordings I ever made. This includes those mini-cassette handhelds, Sony walkmans, cassette stereos, microphones, flip-phones, smart-phones, computer software, VHS camcorders and early digital camcorders. Seeing anomalies on photos though, now that happens regularly. You call me demon if you like, but xxx is fine. I've done a few EVP's even since that post, but typically get nothing, maybe a few whispers that are barely intelligible and can be interpreted to be many things. I remember an experiment that someone did by putting a recorder iniside a concealed container to test the EVP theories. They closed the container. They also had a recorder outside of the container. They started both recorders at the same time so they could match up the exact times, and they began to ask questions. During the course of the experiment, they asked questions, called for spirits ect... They played back the recorder in the container first and found numerous instances of whispers that seemed to reveal certain words. Every voice that came through on the recorder inside the container, they marked the time and compared it with the recorder that was recording simultaneously outside the container. To their surprise, they check the times and matched up the recordings with the supposed voices, only to reveal that at many moments of voices, they found that the recorder on the outside had captured sounds of birds, wild life, random noises that were clearly verifiable to be nothing sinister, and each of these were captured at the 'exact' moment of what appeared to be voices on the recorder inside the container. On the inside recording, each bird whistle, each dog bark, a car passing by, sounded like a voice on the recorder inside the container. I hope all this made sense, i was in a bit of a hurry. Wish i could find the program that i watched, it may be on youtube somewhere. Edited February 12, 2017 by xxxdemonxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 12, 2017 #13 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) I WANT evp's to be real. It's a comforting thought to believe that our consciousness survives death and can communicate with our loved one's who are waiting on us. But i want TRUTH, and i want verifiable science and proof. I don't want this belief to come at the expense of my logic and rational thought. I've had some pretty freakish things happen to me during my life, and some people would call this 'being sensitive to spirits'. So many so called 'paranormal events' and strange things seem to happen to me quite often. But i am not ready to simply write off everything as paranormal. For instance, about two weeks ago, my most recent 'happening'. Or at least the one that stands out. I'm home alone, everyone is out, just me, myself and my cat and dog. I walked from my room into the hallway and saw my dog going into the bathroom. In the bathroom is where we keep our cats litter box, and my dog has a disgusting habit that i'm trying to break where he eats the cats crap from the litter box. I saw my dog, without a doubt, it was him in every detail. Not fuzzy, it wasn't a passing glance. It was my dog. He didn't seem to notice me as i stood there watching him, and he continued into the bathroom. I thought to myself, awesome, ''I'll catch him in the act this time''. The bathroom floor is some type of hard plastic tile, and every time he walks, his toenails clop clop clop. I had skipped clipping his claws at that time, and they got a bit unreasonable lol. But yeah, clop clop clop, i heard him walking in the bathroom, me being only a few feet away as i tiptoed to the door entrance. I stood there listening to him walking around, trying not to be seen. I figured as soon as he stopped walking, it would probably mean he could possibly be standing over the litterbox doing his thing. My plan was to pop my head around and catch him red pawed. Mind you i'm standing right beside the only bathroom entrance by this time, which goes into the hallway. Since the moment i first saw him enter, i haven't left this hallway and would have definitely saw him leaving. I haven't even turned my head actually, and this entire incident is only over the span of 15 to 20 seconds from the time i saw him. The clopping stopped, his walking stopped, i popped my head around, fully expecting to find my dog up to no good. NOTHING. The entire bathroom was empty. No dog. I'm pretty much standing there in disbelief. One of the most confusing moments of my life where you sorta question your sanity. Not only did i see him, but i heard his cloppity walking, standing right beside the entrance, the sound clearly emitting from the restroom. The only part of the house besides the kitchen with flooring. The rest is carpet and the kitchen is at the other end of the house. I inspect the bathroom, walk out into the hall and down into our living room area where both my cat is sleeping on the couch, and my dog is sleeping soundly in his dog bed. He even seemed to be in a very deep sleep, as it took me twice calling his name to even bring his head up. He wasn't very amused and laid back down anyways. Yeah this incident confused the hell outta me. I told my mom who believes in all this stuff to get her opinion. She says i basically saw a 'Doppleganger' of my dog, which could mean death for him according to her own beliefs. But so far, he's still alive. Edited February 12, 2017 by xxxdemonxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 12, 2017 #14 Share Posted February 12, 2017 As being objective as i can possibly be, and open minded, some things i just can't explain. Then there are plenty of things i can easily explain that many others would deem paranormal. The only thing that i can come up with for the above incident, is i may have hallucinated. But for me, hallucinating what i saw sounds just as unreasonable as calling it a genuine paranormal experience. It would have had to be both visual and auditory, with both correlating with each other at the same time. Is it possible? Yeah i guess so, but i find it unlikely. If there is a reasonable explanation, then i just don;t think it's THAT one. False memory? I dunno. I clearly remember it happening in real time, in our physical world, all my senses of sight, touch, hearing, time, space, and thought were present. I also walked around for probably 10 or 15 minutes afterwards, trying to make sense of what just happened. Going back into the hall, i even took my dog into the bathroom so i could sit him down and listen to him walk out. It was amazing. Here's what frustrates me the most though. Even if someone were to find a full bodied apparition, and sit down for a televised interview, it still wouldn't be proof of the paranormal. An apparition could visit our capital city and take a dump on the White House lawn in full view of a thousand spectators and live streaming video, get a one on one sit down with Bill O'reilly, and it still wouldn't constitute as proof of the paranormal. IF spirits exists, they simply cannot be of this dimension, this world, or whatever philosophy you might use to describe their place in time and space. Conventional scientific experiments just won't be able to prove their existence. I believe the paranormal is something you either just have to believe in or disbelieve, based on each individual's own experiences. There is just simply no way to scientifically prove the existence of spirits or an afterlife, because IF there is a plane or a different level of existence, then it will mostly likely exist under an entirely different set of laws and physics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulduggery Posted February 13, 2017 #15 Share Posted February 13, 2017 If I was in a room with an EVP recorder and I silently said something with my mouth mostly closed, I'd wager the EVP recorder would pick that up and it would freak people out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Unicorn Posted February 13, 2017 #16 Share Posted February 13, 2017 On 2/11/2017 at 9:30 PM, xxxdemonxxx said: As being objective as i can possibly be, and open minded, some things i just can't explain. Then there are plenty of things i can easily explain that many others would deem paranormal. The only thing that i can come up with for the above incident, is i may have hallucinated. But for me, hallucinating what i saw sounds just as unreasonable as calling it a genuine paranormal experience. It would have had to be both visual and auditory, with both correlating with each other at the same time. Is it possible? Yeah i guess so, but i find it unlikely. If there is a reasonable explanation, then i just don;t think it's THAT one. False memory? I dunno. I clearly remember it happening in real time, in our physical world, all my senses of sight, touch, hearing, time, space, and thought were present. I also walked around for probably 10 or 15 minutes afterwards, trying to make sense of what just happened. Going back into the hall, i even took my dog into the bathroom so i could sit him down and listen to him walk out. It was amazing. Here's what frustrates me the most though. Even if someone were to find a full bodied apparition, and sit down for a televised interview, it still wouldn't be proof of the paranormal. An apparition could visit our capital city and take a dump on the White House lawn in full view of a thousand spectators and live streaming video, get a one on one sit down with Bill O'reilly, and it still wouldn't constitute as proof of the paranormal. IF spirits exists, they simply cannot be of this dimension, this world, or whatever philosophy you might use to describe their place in time and space. Conventional scientific experiments just won't be able to prove their existence. I believe the paranormal is something you either just have to believe in or disbelieve, based on each individual's own experiences. There is just simply no way to scientifically prove the existence of spirits or an afterlife, because IF there is a plane or a different level of existence, then it will mostly likely exist under an entirely different set of laws and physics. Most things are explainable and taken as paranormal. It's frustrating if you wanted to prove anything on the weird side. Only the people involved in mutual experiences can rule out the idea it's a hallucination or one's own psyche doing it. I never used EVP experiments because there are too many normal causes for any real evidence to self or others. Another reason I never used them is I can channel things to hear them myself at times or visualize something not coming from my eyes but it's like an overlap of normal vision and another dimension? I can see somethings that are considered ghosts more plainly when other witnesses only see a shadow or hear a voice. I don't know the why or how of it but I want to know the answers for myself. Later in life I got an EMF detector to test things out. I discovered that I'm sensitive to magnetic fields! It was an ah ah moment of my theory that some people connect with senses not normally used by conscious self. I had two types of things I sensed, energy fields which I later proved to be EMFs and conscious entity energies which effected EMF when I channeled them. I was recently frustrated when I saw an energy field with no appearant consciousness. It was a bright orb of orange and red light that later totally blinded me to see a bright orange then an all red light. The dog barked and ran away and I was blessed that I had my iPhone in hand ready and my EMF detector was on! It had no effect on EMF like ghostly orbs. I had taken a photo of my dog and then took a photo as it came very close to me to blind my vision to the red light. I took a photo after to show time lapse of event. My flash of the camera was even overcome by the Light being so bright it didn't show a flash anywhere. After the flash it just disappeared. I contacted a sceptical photo expert on this forum to get feedback of what normal explainations could have caused it, an that's when I learned that the flash went off in the embedded data, since I didn't know if it did or not. I agree with you that now days with all the tech hoaxers out there, it's relatively impossible to prove any phenomena exists that's outside of current explanations of science and not be faked. Only the experiencers can test things themselves sceptically to try to determine how and what it was by clues, it's sad but true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonman Posted February 13, 2017 #17 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) On 10/27/2016 at 9:33 AM, xxxdemonxxx said: My mother was really into EVP and done them a lot. She was always trying to show them to me. Some were a bit interesting, but no smoking gun. I always picked and teased her over it, which was wrong, but funny. 4 years ago she finally convinced me to sit down with her just once, and take it seriously, so i did. We got quite a few whispers and even got an 'electronic' like voice that sounded somewhat creepy. My interest peeked a bit so i told her i'd take her recorder home and give it a shot with me being the only person around. So i took it home and done some sessions. Any time i got bored, i'd do a session every couple days or so. I was never convinced it was ghosts, still don't know what to make of it. But i do know that there was one recording, the only true recording i might even consider. It came through so loud and clear, as if a person was speaking normally and standing right next to me. It's the only recording to this day that i have ever heard that clear. It wasn't a whisper, or electronic. It was truly as if i was recording with someone in the room with me (a female voice), in the normal tone and volume as my own voice. I was alone, living in the country, nearest neighbor was 3 miles. Unfortunately, i can't prove this nor do i have the recording anymore. Gave her recorder back, she probably ended up erasing it. So....what did the female voice say? Edited February 13, 2017 by moonman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 14, 2017 #18 Share Posted February 14, 2017 5 hours ago, moonman said: So....what did the female voice say? Just a simple word. ''COOL''. This was after i told the supposed spirits that i had borrowed a recorder to try and communicate with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 14, 2017 #19 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) But as clear as it was, i'm still not comfortable jumping on the EVP wagon just yet. The experiment i mentioned above involving two recorders, one inside a closed container seems pretty darned compelling to me. Meaning, anyone recording inside a home (container). could very well interpret regular sounds outside the home as 'spirit voices'. I'll remain on the fence, keep messing aroud with it. Maybe even conduct the experiment myself if i had two recorders. I wonder if at the same time i heard the voice say ''cool'', if there may have been a noise outside the home that would correlate with it. Edited February 14, 2017 by xxxdemonxxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 14, 2017 #20 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, xxxdemonxxx said: not sure how i ended up with this extra post. It can be snipped away. I don't see a delete option. Edited February 14, 2017 by xxxdemonxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 14, 2017 #21 Share Posted February 14, 2017 On 2/11/2017 at 8:59 PM, xxxdemonxxx said: I WANT evp's to be real. It's a comforting thought to believe that our consciousness survives death and can communicate with our loved one's who are waiting on us. But i want TRUTH, and i want verifiable science and proof. I don't want this belief to come at the expense of my logic and rational thought. I've had some pretty freakish things happen to me during my life, and some people would call this 'being sensitive to spirits'. So many so called 'paranormal events' and strange things seem to happen to me quite often. But i am not ready to simply write off everything as paranormal. For instance, about two weeks ago, my most recent 'happening'. Or at least the one that stands out. I'm home alone, everyone is out, just me, myself and my cat and dog. I walked from my room into the hallway and saw my dog going into the bathroom. In the bathroom is where we keep our cats litter box, and my dog has a disgusting habit that i'm trying to break where he eats the cats crap from the litter box. I saw my dog, without a doubt, it was him in every detail. Not fuzzy, it wasn't a passing glance. It was my dog. He didn't seem to notice me as i stood there watching him, and he continued into the bathroom. I thought to myself, awesome, ''I'll catch him in the act this time''. The bathroom floor is some type of hard plastic tile, and every time he walks, his toenails clop clop clop. I had skipped clipping his claws at that time, and they got a bit unreasonable lol. But yeah, clop clop clop, i heard him walking in the bathroom, me being only a few feet away as i tiptoed to the door entrance. I stood there listening to him walking around, trying not to be seen. I figured as soon as he stopped walking, it would probably mean he could possibly be standing over the litterbox doing his thing. My plan was to pop my head around and catch him red pawed. Mind you i'm standing right beside the only bathroom entrance by this time, which goes into the hallway. Since the moment i first saw him enter, i haven't left this hallway and would have definitely saw him leaving. I haven't even turned my head actually, and this entire incident is only over the span of 15 to 20 seconds from the time i saw him. The clopping stopped, his walking stopped, i popped my head around, fully expecting to find my dog up to no good. NOTHING. The entire bathroom was empty. No dog. I'm pretty much standing there in disbelief. One of the most confusing moments of my life where you sorta question your sanity. Not only did i see him, but i heard his cloppity walking, standing right beside the entrance, the sound clearly emitting from the restroom. The only part of the house besides the kitchen with flooring. The rest is carpet and the kitchen is at the other end of the house. I inspect the bathroom, walk out into the hall and down into our living room area where both my cat is sleeping on the couch, and my dog is sleeping soundly in his dog bed. He even seemed to be in a very deep sleep, as it took me twice calling his name to even bring his head up. He wasn't very amused and laid back down anyways. Yeah this incident confused the hell outta me. I told my mom who believes in all this stuff to get her opinion. She says i basically saw a 'Doppleganger' of my dog, which could mean death for him according to her own beliefs. But so far, he's still alive. In what way is the above paranormal? On 2/11/2017 at 9:30 PM, xxxdemonxxx said: As being objective as i can possibly be, and open minded, some things i just can't explain. Then there are plenty of things i can easily explain that many others would deem paranormal. The only thing that i can come up with for the above incident, is i may have hallucinated. But for me, hallucinating what i saw sounds just as unreasonable as calling it a genuine paranormal experience. It would have had to be both visual and auditory, with both correlating with each other at the same time. Is it possible? Yeah i guess so, but i find it unlikely. If there is a reasonable explanation, then i just don;t think it's THAT one. False memory? I dunno. I clearly remember it happening in real time, in our physical world, all my senses of sight, touch, hearing, time, space, and thought were present. I also walked around for probably 10 or 15 minutes afterwards, trying to make sense of what just happened. Going back into the hall, i even took my dog into the bathroom so i could sit him down and listen to him walk out. It was amazing. I am no doctor but sounds to me like you did indeed hallucinate the entire thing and I'd relate this episode to my doctor if I were you just to cover my bases. If it only happened this once it may be nothing but if you have had this experience before and/or they are becoming more common then I'd see that doctor sooner rather than later. http://www.webmd.com/brain/what-are-hallucinations#1 On 2/11/2017 at 9:30 PM, xxxdemonxxx said: Here's what frustrates me the most though. Even if someone were to find a full bodied apparition, and sit down for a televised interview, it still wouldn't be proof of the paranormal. An apparition could visit our capital city and take a dump on the White House lawn in full view of a thousand spectators and live streaming video, get a one on one sit down with Bill O'reilly, and it still wouldn't constitute as proof of the paranormal. IF spirits exists, they simply cannot be of this dimension, this world, or whatever philosophy you might use to describe their place in time and space. Conventional scientific experiments just won't be able to prove their existence. I believe the paranormal is something you either just have to believe in or disbelieve, based on each individual's own experiences. There is just simply no way to scientifically prove the existence of spirits or an afterlife, because IF there is a plane or a different level of existence, then it will mostly likely exist under an entirely different set of laws and physics. Let's say that an apparition did appear on Bill O'reilly, what could we ask it that would prove it was actually communicating "from the other side"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 15, 2017 #22 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) To answer question 1. As far as i know, the dog was in his bed the entire time, while i saw and heard him in our bathroom, only to find it empty. Or at least that's how my mind perceived it. Unless the dog somehow left the bathroom and re-entered the living room without me seeing. Which i guess might be possible, but he would have had to be running full stride, and done it within' seconds. To answer question 2. I've never hallucinated, heard voices, talked to my dead grandma or suffered from a mental condition that would cause hallucinations. As for 3. There is no question that would prove much at all. We could ask the spirit if he/she is a registered Democrat voter tho. Edited February 15, 2017 by xxxdemonxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 15, 2017 #23 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, xxxdemonxxx said: To answer question 1. As far as i know, the dog was in his bed the entire time, while i saw and heard him in our bathroom, only to find it empty. Or at least that's how my mind perceived it. To answer question 2. I've never hallucinated, heard voices, talked to my dead grandma or suffered from a mental condition that would cause hallucinations. As for 3. There is no question that would prove much at all. We could ask the spirit if he/she is a registered Democrat voter tho. Seeing and hearing a dog, that isn't there, walk into your bathroom would be considered a hallucination, not paranormal, at least in any way that I consider paranormal, which is why I asked in what way it is paranormal? It always amazes me how willingly people accept a fantastical cause for something while adamantly denying the possibility of a very real causal factor. Obviously you didn't read my link because then you'd know that hallucinations can be very real to a person having one and can include smells, and sound, along with the visual cues and would be exactly what you experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted February 16, 2017 #24 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) You say i'm just 'accepting a fanatical cause' and denying the plausibility of other factors. You obviously didn't read my own posts. I stated it was possible. I also stated that i suppose it was even possible that he may have run out of the bathroom while my head was turned. You seem a bit too argumentative to really digest what i'm saying here. How many times do i have to actually agree with the possibility of some natural factor, or a plausible excuse, only to be told i'm being fanatical and not accepting that it could be non-paranormal causes. You aren't reading what i type, or at the very least, understanding it, so what's the point of responding to something you aren't really paying much attention to. My last post even included this.... Quote ''Or at least that's how my mind perceived it. Unless the dog somehow left the bathroom and re-entered the living room without me seeing. Which i guess might be possible, but he would have had to be running full stride, and done it within' seconds''. So just because i don't accept the 'hallucination' theory, and instead would lean more toward 'the dog leaving the restroom without me seeing'...That somehow turned into being a fanatical spirit chaser, playing ghostbuster. NO. I do not believe it was a hallucination. Edited February 16, 2017 by xxxdemonxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xYlvax Posted February 16, 2017 #25 Share Posted February 16, 2017 There are a lot of people investigating ghostly phenomenon with better technology than EVP alone. I'd like to see how those are all dismissed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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