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2 hours ago, bee said:

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to be honest - I never thought anything you do and say on line was 'private' anyway -

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Ditto. :tu:

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Your population seems to have elected the same kind of douche bags ours did.  Good luck, kiss your rights goodbye.

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2 hours ago, UM-Bot said:

The 'Investigatory Powers Act' means that from now on, nothing you do or say online will ever be private.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/300970/new-uk-law-enables-mass-online-surveillance

 

2 hours ago, bee said:

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to be honest - I never thought anything you do and say on line was 'private' anyway -

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UK version of the US Patriot Act. 

Like you bee, I knew there was never real  privacy online. It helped and usually didn't hurt regular folk, and prevented some terrrorism and other crimes too. With us it was monitored by computers for possible terrorists etc  before a human ever eased dropped on cell or online content. 

It has it's it's down sides more now than ever before. We had a few people using their clearances for private uses! It's used by different countries and Interpol, so it's here to stay. I think having these "powers act" is being more transparent to people they exist then denying them. 

What really worries me is it could be used against otherwise innocent people by a government. Besides using smart phones you can accidentally click wrong links and one may be a hot link trigger. What happens when our fearless leaders use the tech against us and privacy sharing laws are totally dismissed?

1984 sticks in my brain with Trump coming into power! I don't guess at what may happen with his cabinet but he seems to be loyal to his most  loyal supporters. I fear genetic files targeted to  discovering Jews could be used again. Non white races could be classified as well as gay people, media people,  religious affiliations, political activists etc. It's not a good thought but could happen to any of us. And remember not only online files are open but governmental, medical and banking information can be shared at times to get a whole profile on a person. 

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9 minutes ago, Chaldon said:

Better not to comment on this. He watches you.

I am already the dead of the 1984 novel, if  things really go amuck. We are already learning double speak from the President elect and his more crazy supporters over here. 

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4 hours ago, UM-Bot said:

The 'Investigatory Powers Act' means that from now on, nothing you do or say online will ever be private.*

*for the average user.

1 hour ago, Grandpa Greenman said:

Your population seems to have elected the same kind of douche bags ours did.  Good luck, kiss your rights goodbye.

Trump wants to grant more gun rights and expand freedom of speech. Our d-bag > your d-bag

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5 hours ago, bee said:

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to be honest - I never thought anything you do and say on line was 'private' anyway -

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You're right, it never has been, if it were then advertisers would never have been able to target you, which they do all the time.

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This peace of legislation is only possible because of Brexit, as this act would be against EU Law. 

I bet, without looking into it, that the act won't be in force before the U.K. Is officially out of the European Union. 

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Frankly, if it stops just one Muslim scumbag from causing mayhem on the streets it's well worth it, despite the whining from all those keyboard porn surfers out there.

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40 minutes ago, kartikg said:

You guys screwed their plans (brexit). they no longer want to be shocked and loose money, power or leverage hence the law.

Strange then that this has been bouncing around for years before the referendum.

Besides this is clearly an excellent idea and I have absolutely nothing against our glorius government.

Should keep them off my back for a while...

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13 minutes ago, Badfish312 said:

This peace of legislation is only possible because of Brexit, as this act would be against EU Law. 

I bet, without looking into it, that the act won't be in force before the U.K. Is officially out of the European Union. 

What you mean the legislation that came into operation in 2000, that legislation?

And if you're right, then yet another good reason to leave.

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57 minutes ago, Badfish312 said:

This peace of legislation is only possible because of Brexit, as this act would be against EU Law. 

I bet, without looking into it, that the act won't be in force before the U.K. Is officially out of the European Union. 

I'm sure the people of France would agree with you.

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4 hours ago, White Unicorn said:

 

UK version of the US Patriot Act. 

Like you bee, I knew there was never real  privacy online. It helped and usually didn't hurt regular folk, and prevented some terrrorism and other crimes too. With us it was monitored by computers for possible terrorists etc  before a human ever eased dropped on cell or online content. 

It has it's it's down sides more now than ever before. We had a few people using their clearances for private uses! It's used by different countries and Interpol, so it's here to stay. I think having these "powers act" is being more transparent to people they exist then denying them. 

What really worries me is it could be used against otherwise innocent people by a government. Besides using smart phones you can accidentally click wrong links and one may be a hot link trigger. What happens when our fearless leaders use the tech against us and privacy sharing laws are totally dismissed?

1984 sticks in my brain with Trump coming into power! I don't guess at what may happen with his cabinet but he seems to be loyal to his most  loyal supporters. I fear genetic files targeted to  discovering Jews could be used again. Non white races could be classified as well as gay people, media people,  religious affiliations, political activists etc. It's not a good thought but could happen to any of us. And remember not only online files are open but governmental, medical and banking information can be shared at times to get a whole profile on a person. 

Targeting Jews? Where do you all get this from? His son-in-law is an Orthodox Jew and his daughter converted and so his grandchildren are Orthodox Jews! 

Why does everyone keep spreading lies about this man?

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4 hours ago, Grandpa Greenman said:

Your population seems to have elected the same kind of douche bags ours did.  Good luck, kiss your rights goodbye.

Look at the replies by the Brits here and see that they don't care about their rights because they assumed they had no online privacy to begin with. :no: Very sad.  Hey you guys why don't you just let them mount cameras an microphones on your person?  It's not like you have anything to hide and why would they be interested in you anyway?

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5 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Look at the replies by the Brits here and see that they don't care about their rights because they assumed they had no online privacy to begin with. :no: Very sad.  Hey you guys why don't you just let them mount cameras an microphones on your person?  It's not like you have anything to hide and why would they be interested in you anyway?

Better still, why don't we all arm ourselves with shotguns and automatic rifles.....

YEE HAWWW....

P.s.Wasn't it an American team of scumbag lawyers that were sending our writs for people downloading music and movies a few years back?

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4 hours ago, White Unicorn said:

 

UK version of the US Patriot Act. 

Like you bee, I knew there was never real  privacy online. It helped and usually didn't hurt regular folk, and prevented some terrrorism and other crimes too. With us it was monitored by computers for possible terrorists etc  before a human ever eased dropped on cell or online content. 

It has it's it's down sides more now than ever before. We had a few people using their clearances for private uses! It's used by different countries and Interpol, so it's here to stay. I think having these "powers act" is being more transparent to people they exist then denying them. 

What really worries me is it could be used against otherwise innocent people by a government. Besides using smart phones you can accidentally click wrong links and one may be a hot link trigger. What happens when our fearless leaders use the tech against us and privacy sharing laws are totally dismissed?

1984 sticks in my brain with Trump coming into power! I don't guess at what may happen with his cabinet but he seems to be loyal to his most  loyal supporters. I fear genetic files targeted to  discovering Jews could be used again. Non white races could be classified as well as gay people, media people,  religious affiliations, political activists etc. It's not a good thought but could happen to any of us. And remember not only online files are open but governmental, medical and banking information can be shared at times to get a whole profile on a person. 

That's not really the issue.  The way this type of surveillance  can be damaging to Joe Average is as follows. 

People with political power and connections to the spy network use it to spy on their opponents in other political parties.  Let's say that their is an important vote coming up in parliament and the Tory party need a certain percentage of Labor to vote their way but it's not likely to happen.  So the Tories utilize knowledge gained from this to leverage one or two MP's to vote counter to the way they normally would.  Let's say there is an MP for labor with a wife and children who's online activities may reveal that they are having an affair.  So unscrupulous people with access to the information now use it to blackmail them to vote counter to the way they normally would thereby getting legislation enacted that normally wouldn't.  Perhaps legislation that gets the wealthy more money at the expense of everyone else.  This is why everyone should be against this type of legislation.  Sure, you have nothing to hide and if you did they aren't likely to be interested in it because you are a nobody.  But they can use the ill gotten information to negatively affect you nonetheless.

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9 minutes ago, OverSword said:

That's not really the issue.  The way this type of surveillance  can be damaging to Joe Average is as follows. 

People with political power and connections to the spy network use it to spy on their opponents in other political parties.  Let's say that their is an important vote coming up in parliament and the Tory party need a certain percentage of Labor to vote their way but it's not likely to happen.  So the Tories utilize knowledge gained from this to leverage one or two MP's to vote counter to the way they normally would.  Let's say there is an MP for labor with a wife and children who's online activities may reveal that they are having an affair.  So unscrupulous people with access to the information now use it to blackmail them to vote counter to the way they normally would thereby getting legislation enacted that normally wouldn't.  Perhaps legislation that gets the wealthy more money at the expense of everyone else.  This is why everyone should be against this type of legislation.  Sure, you have nothing to hide and if you did they aren't likely to be interested in it because you are a nobody.  But they can use the ill gotten information to negatively affect you nonetheless.

In fairness, you make a valid point, however with the rise of fundamentalist Islam and all that comes with it, the goal posts have shifted somewhat.

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6 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

In fairness, you make a valid point, however with the rise of fundamentalist Islam and all that comes with it, the goal posts have shifted somewhat.

Can't agree as I don't fear terrorists.  I believe that terror can only be stopped by addressing the root causes which are not actually Islam but living and social conditions.

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2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Can't agree as I don't fear terrorists.  I believe that terror can only be stopped by addressing the root causes which are not actually Islam but living and social conditions.

Hmm, really!  Perhaps somebody should tell them.

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30 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Look at the replies by the Brits here and see that they don't care about their rights because they assumed they had no online privacy to begin with. :no: Very sad.  Hey you guys why don't you just let them mount cameras an microphones on your person?  It's not like you have anything to hide and why would they be interested in you anyway?

If you look even more closely, you might realise some of those responses are tongue in cheek.

Chalk it up to quaint British humour (and yes, that's how you spell it :P)

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39 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Look at the replies by the Brits here and see that they don't care about their rights because they assumed they had no online privacy to begin with. :no: Very sad.  Hey you guys why don't you just let them mount cameras an microphones on your person?  It's not like you have anything to hide and why would they be interested in you anyway?

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oh didn't you know that mobile phones can spy on you - ;)- I've heard that anyway - and also that even if they
are switched off they can still function as a microphone..?....and perhaps the more modern TVs are two way..?

[cue spooky music]

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