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1 hour ago, stereologist said:

Apparently a simple example is too difficult for you to understand.

A count is accurate as we have seen by the evidence. The Michigan counts were accurate. There was no fraud. A recount may not uncover fraud.

The only reason you bring up Trump and his unsupported statement is that you have nothing at all to say of importance. Trump and anyone else can say whatever they want and that does not mean a recount should be done. There is no evidence. No matter how often you lie about evidence there is no evidence.

Now you lie about my posts. I have been explicit that I do not care what Trump stated about election irregularities. I don't care. I do not believe or disbelieve what he stated. It is not evidence. So please stop making up some stupid lies about what I believe.

You can keep pounding away about fraud, but if we actually cared about election integrity, we would be concerned about all-cause inaccuracy, not just fraud.   We need to know if the machines get jammed up and how.  We need to know what causes inaccuracy so we can prevent it from happening again.   But I know you don't care.  That's loud and clear.

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18 minutes ago, Yamato said:

For what must be like the 20th time now, changing the outcome of the election isn't the point.   The point is having sense enough to audit the results.   Counting votes the first time isn't an "audit".    You have to count the votes first to even be able to have an audit.  Definitions are important here.   Dictionaries, available.

Fraud isn't the only problem a Detroit could have.   Whatever the cause of the inaccuracy doesn't excuse the inaccuracy itself.

lol you can now say "sure" because there was an audit and inaccuracies were found!    

These spin doctors spinning up another dizzy mess that this is somehow all about changing the outcome of the election are completely missing the point.    Who cares what the cause of an irregularity is, expose them all and prevent them all.   Audit the election, every election in all 50 states. 

If the bureaucracies can't even count a few million votes without this much hair pulling and insult throwing, then their reason for existing at all is called into question.

For the 20th time what evidence do you have that an audit should be done? Not  thing. You have no reason whatsoever to do an audit.

There is no reason to do an audit. If you are so interested in audits please begin with the previous 2 elections.

To date there is no reason to suppose that Detroit involved fraud. There was human error and that happens. No audit needs to be done in Detroit. A reason is already known.

You can get your dictionary and learn that NO audit was done in Detroit. The problems in Detroit have already been assigned to malfunctioning or poorly operating machines.

There is no reason to do any recounts in any states. In fact, the only person with legal standing to request a recount has not. Most states have not met the legal requirement for a recount.

When you actually have a reason better than you want to waste money, time, and effort on a pointless effort then you should post it.

The election is a done deal. It is over. The people gave voted. The winners have been identified.

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22 minutes ago, Yamato said:

You can keep pounding away about fraud, but if we actually cared about election integrity, we would be concerned about all-cause inaccuracy, not just fraud.   We need to know if the machines get jammed up and how.  We need to know what causes inaccuracy so we can prevent it from happening again.   But I know you don't care.  That's loud and clear.

There is no fraud. You have been a repetitiously liar about evidence of fraud. But there has been no evidence at all to support the claim of fraud.

No recount is necessary if machines need to be inspected due to being "jammed up".

Again with a stupid lie that I don't care. Apparently you have a strong desire to be a liar. Next time you lie about a post of mine I will report you.

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Just now, stereologist said:

For the 20th time what evidence do you have that an audit should be done? Not  thing. You have no reason whatsoever to do an audit.

Uh huh, other than verifying the validity of our election. 

If the state's original numbers are good, it'll make that state look good.   If a state has numbers that are way off it'll look like a dunce, as it should.  

There are going to be hackers all over the place in the future.  We should have safeguards in place from now on in every election in every state.    If the bureaucracy can't even count the votes right, it shouldn't be the go-to organization for much else.

It's a shame that the only three states they could attempt to get a recount in was WI, MI and PA.  Sad. 

 

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57 minutes ago, Lord Fedorable said:

More votes being counted than people who voted is either fraud or a massive balls up, either way it needs to be addressed, you're right.

The problem was not fraud. It was people dealing with failing equipment. They ran ballots through more than once without properly voiding scans that were in error. Had the scanners worked properly or the people at the voting precincts been properly trained there would not have been such problems.

To be fraud the people would have had to have run through ballots multiple times on purpose to boost the votes. That isn't what happened.

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Just now, Yamato said:

Uh huh, other than verifying the validity of our election. 

If the state's original numbers are good, it'll make that state look good.   If a state has numbers that are way off it'll look like a dunce, as it should.  

There are going to be hackers all over the place in the future.  We should have safeguards in place from now on in every election in every state.    If the bureaucracy can't even count the votes right, it shouldn't be the go-to organization for much else.

It's a shame that the only three states they could attempt to get a recount in was WI, MI and PA.  Sad. 

 

Please provide evidence that there should have been any recounts. When you do that you have a reason for a recount.

Recounts should not be done just to waste money.

Recounts should not be done to waste resources.

Recounts should not be done to delay results.

The validity of the election is based on the process. Unless there is a reason to not trust the process then the election has been handled properly.

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Just now, stereologist said:

The problem was not fraud. It was people dealing with failing equipment. They ran ballots through more than once without properly voiding scans that were in error. Had the scanners worked properly or the people at the voting precincts been properly trained there would not have been such problems.

To be fraud the people would have had to have run through ballots multiple times on purpose to boost the votes. That isn't what happened.

It doesn't matter!   Do you want accurate results or not?  

If Donald Trump didn't talk BS about massive voter fraud, it'd have everything to do with sticky voting machines, or Russia, or internal errors, or something else.   It doesn't matter what the cause of the inaccuracy is.   We should know it's accurate.

Before the next election is the time to do it, not wait until after, again.   For the record, when Donald Trump says something in the future about election reform and/or fighting voter fraud that'll of course be okie dokie.

 

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Here are some things wackos need to check on a regular basis to check the validity of their environments:

1. Daily water inspections to check the safety of their water supply

2. Weekly oil changes for their car to check the validity of their engines

3. Daily voltage checks to check the validity of their household current

4. Hourly checks of their internet speed to check the validity of their ISP

5. Daily checks of their household air to check the validity of what they breath

6. See at least 2 doctors per ailment to audit the validity of their healthcare

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4 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The validity of the election is based on the process. Unless there is a reason to not trust the process then the election has been handled properly.

And we won't know if there's a reason not to trust the process unless we audit it.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Yamato said:

It doesn't matter!   Do you want accurate results or not?  

If Donald Trump didn't talk BS about massive voter fraud, it'd have everything to do with sticky voting machines, or Russia, or internal errors, or something else.   It doesn't matter what the cause of the inaccuracy is.   We should know it's accurate.

Before the next election is the time to do it, not wait until after, again.   For the record, when Donald Trump says something in the future about election reform and/or fighting voter fraud that'll of course be okie dokie.

 

We got accurate results as was shown. Maybe the concept of validity requires you to visit a dictionary.

Trump spouting innuendo is not evidence. We've been over that issue many times. There is no evidence or reason for wasting money on a recount.

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2 minutes ago, Yamato said:

And we won't know if there's a reason not to trust the process unless we audit it.  

 

Another illogical thought. There is no evidence to lose trust in the system.

Please provide evidence that the system should not  be trusted.

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1 minute ago, stereologist said:

We got accurate results as was shown. Maybe the concept of validity requires you to visit a dictionary.

Maybe one state isn't comprehensive enough of an audit to have faith that it's okay in the other 49.  Wisconsin didn't do Michigan.  Michigan is a disaster.

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Trump spouting innuendo is not evidence.

Exactly that's why I couldn't vote for him.  It was just words.  His only evidence was his life's work, providing lavish accommodations for wealthy people.  Milking them of their money, basically.

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Here are some things wackos need to check on a regular basis to check the validity of their environments:

1. Daily water inspections to check the safety of their water supply

2. Weekly oil changes for their car to check the validity of their engines

3. Daily voltage checks to check the validity of their household current

4. Hourly checks of their internet speed to check the validity of their ISP

5. Daily checks of their household air to check the validity of what they breath

6. See at least 2 doctors per ailment to audit the validity of their healthcare

7. That there are as many firemen as the payroll says there are

8. That there are as many police as the payroll says there are

9. Daily inspections of appliances to verify that they are still within the energy conservation ratings they have been given

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2 minutes ago, Yamato said:

Maybe one state isn't comprehensive enough of an audit to have faith that it's okay in the other 49.  Wisconsin didn't do Michigan.  Michigan is a disaster.

Exactly that's why I couldn't vote for him.  It was just words.  His only evidence was his life's work, providing lavish accommodations for wealthy people.  Milking them of their money, basically.

There is no evidence that Michigan is a disaster. That is your opinion based on no evidence other than some mistakes in Detroit. There is no evidence that problems in Detroit extrapolate to the state. In fact, those mistakes have no effect on the accuracy of the Michigan results.

The only evidence we have is that the election results were accurate. One recount confirms the accuracy of the vote in that state.

The only thing you have presented as a reason you subsequently appear to agree is of no value.

There is no evidence, only innuendo.

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1 minute ago, stereologist said:

Another illogical thought. There is no evidence to lose trust in the system.

Please provide evidence that the system should not  be trusted.

The total mess in Detroit right now.   Russia hacking the DNC.   Sticky voting machines.  Dead people receiving welfare.   People voting after the deadline in Clark Co. NV.   The volumes of trash conservatives talked before the election about illegals and Hillary fraud.   Donald Trump Twitting about it is just icing on the cake.  All of that is evidence that our bureaucracy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.  

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Here are some things wackos need to check on a regular basis to check the validity of their world:

1. Daily water inspections to check the safety of their water supply

2. Weekly oil changes for their car to check the validity of their engines

3. Daily voltage checks to check the validity of their household current

4. Hourly checks of their internet speed to check the validity of their ISP

5. Daily checks of their household air to check the validity of what they breath

6. See at least 2 doctors per ailment to audit the validity of their healthcare

7. That there are as many firemen as the payroll says there are

8. That there are as many police as the payroll says there are

9. Daily inspections of appliances to verify that they are still within the energy conservation ratings they have been given

10. Daily test of all time pieces to verify that they are accurate

11. Daily test of the refrigerator temperature to make sure that the temperature has been safe

12. Daily test of their neighbors and those they meet to ensure safety from communicable disease

13. Yearly test of their parents to make sure they have not been replaced with reptilian overlords.

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1 minute ago, Yamato said:

The total mess in Detroit right now.   Russia hacking the DNC.   Sticky voting machines.  Dead people receiving welfare.   People voting after the deadline in Clark Co. NV.   The volumes of trash conservatives talked before the election about illegals and Hillary fraud.   Donald Trump Twitting about it is just icing on the cake.  All of that is evidence that our bureaucracy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.  

The "mess in Detroit" does not affect the accuracy of the Michigan vote for the presidential electors.

Russian as you point out did not affect the voting machines.

Sticky voting machines did not cause fraud.

Dead people receiving welfare, whether or not it happened, did not change the voting

People voting after a deadline in Clark Co NV is not fraud.

Innuendos is not evidence.

None of this is evidence that the election results were not accurate.

You have failed to provide evidence that the system should not  be trusted.

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Here are some things wackos need to check on a regular basis to check the validity of their world. As long as they want to waste time, effort, and money they might as well begin at home with needless audits.

1. Daily water inspections to check the safety of their water supply

2. Weekly oil changes for their car to check the validity of their engines

3. Daily voltage checks to check the validity of their household current

4. Hourly checks of their internet speed to check the validity of their ISP

5. Daily checks of their household air to check the validity of what they breath

6. See at least 2 doctors per ailment to audit the validity of their healthcare

7. That there are as many firemen as the payroll says there are

8. That there are as many police as the payroll says there are

9. Daily inspections of appliances to verify that they are still within the energy conservation ratings they have been given

10. Daily test of all time pieces to verify that they are accurate

11. Daily test of the refrigerator temperature to make sure that the temperature has been safe

12. Daily test of their neighbors and those they meet to ensure safety from communicable disease

13. Yearly test of their parents to make sure they have not been replaced with reptilian overlords.

14. Daily test to measure the intensity of the EM fog they live in

15. Replace all of the light bulbs in their residence on a weekly basis to prevent burned out bulbs

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