Yamato Posted December 15, 2016 Author #151 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Quote What? are you saying to cram those six meals into a short time frame? Yes that's exactly what I'm saying! That's what intermittent fasting means. Quote Nah, that is illogical and REALLY Bad advice. You need to eat every couple hours. As you burn, you replenish. Doing it that way will require exercise as a crutch, so it must not be the best way. I can turn that fat guy into a fuel efficient fat burning machine before he even comes to the gym to lift weights the first time. You'll make a fat guy even fatter and then he'll really need to go to the gym! However if you own a gym that'd be the best model for profit$$, so I can see a possible motive why the myth is so prevalent. Quote Wrong on both counts. Extreme obesity means lots of fat around the heart, you do not want someone dying in the gym of heart attack on their first day, same with a small person, you do not want them injuring themselves so they only train once a month between injuries. That's another reason why you don't want them eating six times a day every 2-3 hours when they're not even healthy enough to work out! #worstadviceever You think Walker is a liar. Alrighty then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted December 15, 2016 #152 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Yamato said: You're conflating all these other good and bad things into the discussion muddying up a simple point I made. If you tell people to eat six times a day and don't mention anything about narrowing their feasting window, that's some of the worst advice for weight loss I've ever heard. Let your body burn through its fat stores without exercise, and weight loss will be a lot faster and a lot easier. I can do anything you can do in the exercise realm, that's not what I contested. I can lose weight by attacking fat both with diet and exercise. I'll shred fat far faster than you and I can also start building lean mass in the interest of long term maintenance. I don't have to eat six times a day to do that. That's working against myself. Why would I ever do that? I can build all the lean muscle mass I need while also utilizing a narrow feasting window. So can you, but if you don't, I'll smoke you off the line, keep pulling away in the middle, cross the finish line meeting the weight loss goal first and wind up in the exact same place you do in the end. But it's about a lot more than winning in time. When people tout "the best" way, I'm here almost 5'10", 150 pounds, and I don't even have to exercise to maintain this weight. I get massive results and they're effortless. That sounds better than relying on exercise exclusively, and I can still build muscle to raise my metabolism too. Who doesn't want a good furnace inside doing all the hard work for them? I lose weight super fast, I keep it off, I don't have to go through wear and tear of my joints killing myself in the gym to maintain it. I don't know what the best is, I think we'll know in 100 years from now. For now, effortless is really hard to beat. Part of successful weight loss is having huge results quickly. It motivates people to keep going. There is no loss in metabolism in anything I've suggested compared to what you have, it's just a different path, literally a different shaped curve, to get there. Yeah someone can dehydrate and lose unhealthy weight very quickly. I'd never recommend that; I hope you wouldn't either. As for staying healthy, people should be fully hydrated at all times; and nobody plays more unhealthy games with dehydration than an MMA fighter these days. A positive idea to shoot them out of the gate even faster for most people is to get more fiber, some raw, some fruits and roots into their diet so they can lose 2-20 pounds of fecal matter in the first few days. I'm not conflating anything...I'm explaining very simply a basic principal to you as simple as possible because you can't seem to get it! Anyway i applaude you have gotten yourself into health and nutrition this past year but i highly suggest you take some real courses on the matter and stop it with the "youtube experts"... When it comes to medical and health advice you are starting to come off as almost paranoid as you do on the politics section as if everyone is out to get you! Tell me Yam,what exactly did you go to school for?Or maybe your profession? You are 5'10 and 150 lbs...What exactly are your massive results? I never said "on exercise exclusively,i preach diet and exercise while you were the one preaching diet and the hell with exercise exclusively! If you are 5'10 at 150 lbs you don't need to "build muscle to raise your metabolism" you already have a fast one to begin with and i would bet have a hard time packing on LOTS of muscle!!! Again 5'10 150 lbs on a non competitive athlete is skinny! I think you should stop worrying with weight loss and pack some muscle on your frame! But this really isn't the thread to be discussing health and nutrition on 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted December 15, 2016 #153 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Yamato said: I didn't say anything about depriving anyone of nutrition to be out of my depth. Talk about a bad interpretation! I have high metabolism because I don't follow the dumbest weight loss advice too many people still believe in to eat every 2-3 hours 4-6 times a day. Talk about counterproductive! Herschel Walker eats once a day; now even I'm not that crazy. But the point is narrowing your feasting window. You can eat six times a day, so long as you do it in a narrow window. If you don't address the window, it's terrible advice for weight loss. If some fat guy comes into the gym and you go to lifting weights on the first day, that's not the best way to go. That's asking for failure. Take a thin wiry person with little body fat and go to the gym and start working out, and the results will be explosive. Holy hell in a handbasket Yam,talk about conflating and bad interpretations and comparisons... All 5'10 150 lbs of you compared to one of the oddest genetic freaks of all time in Herschel Walker Seriously Yam what are your goals when being at the gym? Your main goal coming from your own words seems to be skinny almost to obsession instead of lean and powerful... Just a observation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted December 15, 2016 #154 Share Posted December 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: Holy hell in a handbasket Yam,talk about conflating and bad interpretations and comparisons... All 5'10 150 lbs of you compared to one of the oddest genetic freaks of all time in Herschel Walker Seriously Yam what are your goals when being at the gym? Your main goal coming from your own words seems to be skinny almost to obsession instead of lean and powerful... Just a observation. Quote almost 5'10", 150 pounds "Almost" You're right though CK, this doesn't belong in this thread. Oh yeah > 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted December 15, 2016 #155 Share Posted December 15, 2016 17 hours ago, Yamato said: More like based on the status quo of sick-care, which is interested in some facts and not others. Doctors don't even bother to check how much water people are drinking first before prescribing them constipation or dry-eye meds, or that little purple pill that gives 24 measly hours of relief. I could have taken that purple pill too that the doctor tried to sell me but I just solved the problem and got permanent relief. If another doctor offers me a mere 24 hours of it, I'd laugh. People should be free to do as they wish and if they're not hurting anyone, it's none of our business. What is 'status quo of sick care?' I would love to know. You get sick and the doctor tells you what's wrong and what to do to get better. You're not seriously going to argue that doctors are clueless to the effects and symptoms of marijuana smoking, cause you like to do it and you don't wanna be put off your daily chuff. Now if your argument was for alternate medical help like ironic pain relief etc, where the effectiveness of smoking pot outweighs the negatives then okay. But don't tell me there are no negatives and that pot is harmless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted December 15, 2016 #156 Share Posted December 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Yamato said: You're conflating all these other good and bad things into the discussion muddying up a simple point I made. If you tell people to eat six times a day and don't mention anything about narrowing their feasting window, that's some of the worst advice for weight loss I've ever heard. Let your body burn through its fat stores without exercise, and weight loss will be a lot faster and a lot easier. I can do anything you can do in the exercise realm, that's not what I contested. I can lose weight by attacking fat both with diet and exercise. I'll shred fat far faster than you and I can also start building lean mass in the interest of long term maintenance. I don't have to eat six times a day to do that. That's working against myself. Why would I ever do that? I can build all the lean muscle mass I need while also utilizing a narrow feasting window. So can you, but if you don't, I'll smoke you off the line, keep pulling away in the middle, cross the finish line meeting the weight loss goal first and wind up in the exact same place you do in the end. But it's about a lot more than winning in time. When people tout "the best" way, I'm here almost 5'10", 150 pounds, and I don't even have to exercise to maintain this weight. I get massive results and they're effortless. That sounds better than relying on exercise exclusively, and I can still build muscle to raise my metabolism too. Who doesn't want a good furnace inside doing all the hard work for them? I lose weight super fast, I keep it off, I don't have to go through wear and tear of my joints killing myself in the gym to maintain it. I don't know what the best is, I think we'll know in 100 years from now. For now, effortless is really hard to beat. Part of successful weight loss is having huge results quickly. It motivates people to keep going. There is no loss in metabolism in anything I've suggested compared to what you have, it's just a different path, literally a different shaped curve, to get there. Yeah someone can dehydrate and lose unhealthy weight very quickly. I'd never recommend that; I hope you wouldn't either. As for staying healthy, people should be fully hydrated at all times; and nobody plays more unhealthy games with dehydration than an MMA fighter these days. A positive idea to shoot them out of the gate even faster for most people is to get more fiber, some raw, some fruits and roots into their diet so they can lose 2-20 pounds of fecal matter in the first few days. Oh yeah as far as the "i can do anything you can do in the exercise realm"...I highly doubt it in weight lifted or endurance! As for comparisons you 5'10 150 lbs...Me 6'0 220 and i walk around between 7-9% bodyfat depending on the time of year. During training camps i workout 5-6 days a week 1 and a half hours in the am and 3 hours mma training in the evenings... Smoke that if ya can but i highly doubt you could eating anyway you wanted! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted December 15, 2016 #157 Share Posted December 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Yamato said: Yes that's exactly what I'm saying! That's what intermittent fasting means. That us seriously bad advice Yam. Really bad. You and your youtube exerts, you are a dead set joke and a real danger to those trying to learn. 1 hour ago, Yamato said: Doing it that way will require exercise as a crutch, so it must not be the best way. Everybody should do some exercises every day, if you think sitting around on your bum all day is the way to go, you are just lazy. When astronauts go into space, they experience serious problems from lack of gravity for their muscles, when in a wheelchair for a long period, you will need to exercise just to be able to walk again, common sense insist some exercise is required, the more muscle mass you want, the more you exercise, if you do not want to be huge, you just do bodyweight exercise if you do not already lead a physical lifestyle or workplace. You are just one step from those astronauts with gravity and toilet trips just enough to keep those muscles working, very very bad advice there Yam, as I keep saying, you are WAY out of your depth here. For your own sake, and for that of others, you should stop, and if you insist in this silly regime, leave it to yourself and your Youtube experts. 1 hour ago, Yamato said: I can turn that fat guy into a fuel efficient fat burning machine before he even comes to the gym to lift weights the first time. No, you can remove the fat and muscle and leave a messy heap of flabby skin with barely any strength. 1 hour ago, Yamato said: You'll make a fat guy even fatter and then he'll really need to go to the gym! Nope, experience, and example after example proves you are wrong there. I guess you have only ever walked past a gym huh? 1 hour ago, Yamato said: However if you own a gym that'd be the best model for profit$$, so I can see a possible motive why the myth is so prevalent. Are they different in the US are they? Millions of them here, like Video stores in the 80's. Free first month, $5 a day, I consider mine a fairly good deal with access 6 days a week, groups session 5 days a week, nutrition coach and physio for $49 a week. I do not see my coach nudging Bill Gates any time soon. 1 hour ago, Yamato said: That's another reason why you don't want them eating six times a day every 2-3 hours when they're not even healthy enough to work out! A balanced diet is where that matters. Of course if you eat McDonalds six time a day, it wont help at all. A Sensible diet will. Yes, you do want them eating 6 times a day, eating grains, meats and good carbs like sweet potato. If you want to lose weight quickly, cut out the carbs and go pure protein. 3 months will create a huge change in a good healthy way maintaining strength. I know someone who is doing it right now, and he is not a figment of my imagination, resistance exercise can be undertaken by anyone, you do not have to be healthy to do so. Resistance exercise does not have to be lifting 200 pounds on the bench Yam, bodyweight squats, lunges and pushups are a great start. And a fat giy can do that safely. 1 hour ago, Yamato said: #worstadviceever = advice by Yam. 1 hour ago, Yamato said: You think Walker is a liar. Alrighty then... Yes, I am afraid I just do not believe him, Bread is not a great food. And he would have to take supplements with a vegetarian diet. He defies all research into health and I doubt you could find many nutritionists calling him anything other than a freak, and recommending nobody follow his diet. I see on the Net that some professionals seriously doubt his claims, and I have to say I do to. If they are true, he is very much an individual, and what he is doing is not going to work for the average person. Do I not have the right to that opinion now or something? THink what you want of him, I am just saying it sounds hard to believe, and it would not be a good guideline to follow. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted December 15, 2016 #158 Share Posted December 15, 2016 7 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: Oh yeah as far as the "i can do anything you can do in the exercise realm"...I highly doubt it in weight lifted or endurance! LOL, .... but that massive 150 pound frame ......... 7 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: As for comparisons you 5'10 150 lbs...Me 6'0 220 and i walk around between 7-9% bodyfat depending on the time of year. Good going man! I am usually at about 12% on average. Smokin! 7 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: During training camps i workout 5-6 days a week 1 and a half hours in the am and 3 hours mma training in the evenings... Again - impressive! I just had to say my PB's are on the move this week, very impressed with myself, now lifting my own bodyweight on bench, 1 1/2 times it on sled, and a mere 20 kilos from double my bodyweight on a deadlift! Stoked! Wanted to tell someone! LOL. 7 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: Smoke that if ya can but i highly doubt you could eating anyway you wanted! I would pay to see him try, really I would!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted December 15, 2016 #159 Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) 54 minutes ago, -ZZ- said: "Almost" You're right though CK, this doesn't belong in this thread. Oh yeah > Sorry man, it is just that Yam's advice is SOOO bad, it needs to be set straight in case some poor sod reads it hoping to find an easy way to a healthier lifestyle. It is seriously bad advice. We can't leave that sort of trash just lying around. My apologies. Yam should be taking this up in his so called Health and Wellness joke of a thread. Yam is the Uri Geller of Nutrition Edited December 15, 2016 by psyche101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted December 15, 2016 #160 Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, psyche101 said: LOL, .... but that massive 150 pound frame ......... Good going man! I am usually at about 12% on average. Smokin! Again - impressive! I just had to say my PB's are on the move this week, very impressed with myself, now lifting my own bodyweight on bench, 1 1/2 times it on sled, and a mere 20 kilos from double my bodyweight on a deadlift! Stoked! Wanted to tell someone! LOL. I would pay to see him try, really I would!!! 24 inch pythons right there as the Hulkster used to say Meh i kinda have to stay in that range fight training is my cardio and some days feels like to damn much for my age (33 as of a hour ago ) 12% ain't bad at all bro!Even more impressive considering you actually feed your muscles Awesome man keep it up!!! Since it's the holidays i'm in my usual Oct - Dec bulk cycle,just hit my all time 1 rep max on bench the other day just shy of 400 lbs I had to tell someone to lol We need to start our own health and nutrition thread soon,even if we are the only 2 trading ideas...I'm done here... ETA Uri Geller of nutrition lmao hahaha!!! Edited December 15, 2016 by CrimsonKing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted December 15, 2016 #161 Share Posted December 15, 2016 55 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: 24 inch pythons right there as the Hulkster used to say You know what they say You can't flex cardio! 55 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: Meh i kinda have to stay in that range fight training is my cardio and some days feels like to damn much for my age (33 as of a hour ago ) HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Damn, wish I was there right now!! I hope you have an awsome day, and fantastic celebrations! I box once a week, for me, that is the best cardio there is! Love it, sooo much fun!!! 55 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: 12% ain't bad at all bro!Even more impressive considering you actually feed your muscles Awesome man keep it up!!! Cheers! NEVER thought I would be doing this as I approach 50! (Early next year) Glad I am though. 55 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: Since it's the holidays i'm in my usual Oct - Dec bulk cycle,just hit my all time 1 rep max on bench the other day just shy of 400 lbs I had to tell someone to lol HOLY MOLEY!!!! The best I have witnessed personally at my own gym is about 330 pounds or 150 kg!! And that was impressive! 55 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: We need to start our own health and nutrition thread soon,even if we are the only 2 trading ideas...I'm done here... Done FINALLY LINK ALL WELCOME PLEASE JOIN US 55 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said: ETA Uri Geller of nutrition lmao hahaha!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted December 15, 2016 Author #162 Share Posted December 15, 2016 5 hours ago, CrimsonKing said: I'm not conflating anything...I'm explaining very simply a basic principal to you as simple as possible because you can't seem to get it! Anyway i applaude you have gotten yourself into health and nutrition this past year but i highly suggest you take some real courses on the matter and stop it with the "youtube experts"... When it comes to medical and health advice you are starting to come off as almost paranoid as you do on the politics section as if everyone is out to get you! Tell me Yam,what exactly did you go to school for?Or maybe your profession? You are 5'10 and 150 lbs...What exactly are your massive results? I never said "on exercise exclusively,i preach diet and exercise while you were the one preaching diet and the hell with exercise exclusively! If you are 5'10 at 150 lbs you don't need to "build muscle to raise your metabolism" you already have a fast one to begin with and i would bet have a hard time packing on LOTS of muscle!!! Again 5'10 150 lbs on a non competitive athlete is skinny! I think you should stop worrying with weight loss and pack some muscle on your frame! But this really isn't the thread to be discussing health and nutrition on The only point made was about losing weight. That's it. That's the only thing this nut cracker of a debate blew up from. Not putting on muscle, lean mass, or any of this other stuff. Just losing weight. Everything else is artificially inflating the point. If you bet I'd have a hard time building muscle you'd lose the bet. I'm not worried about losing weight, I simply made a statement about losing weight. If you think that's paranoid, then I can't even talk about it at all. If you have any challenges on the health thread, bring them! Bring your experts and tell me what you think the problem is. If you can't find any in the public arena, then it means they're not communicating openly and don't have any science to bring. If you don't understand how intermittent fasting works, I would suggest doing some homework on it and learning something about it. You can't even acknowledge it and it makes you seem to be the one lacking knowledge here. What do I not seem to get? Narrowing my eating window blasts my fat without exercise. If I exercise too, there's no contest. I talked about my massive results, weight loss and other personal details on the health thread if you'd like to more check it out and reply to me on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted December 15, 2016 Author #163 Share Posted December 15, 2016 6 hours ago, CrimsonKing said: Holy hell in a handbasket Yam,talk about conflating and bad interpretations and comparisons... All 5'10 150 lbs of you compared to one of the oddest genetic freaks of all time in Herschel Walker Seriously Yam what are your goals when being at the gym? Your main goal coming from your own words seems to be skinny almost to obsession instead of lean and powerful... Just a observation. I'm not conflating anything. You're muddying up a very simple point I made about weight loss and it's hijacking the hell out of this thread. I'm not skinny to obsession, what the hell? I have a body like Nate Diaz. Is he not powerful or lean? It's not my goal either. My goals are all achieved. I don't have any weight to lose and I have no problem maintaining it. I'm not comparing myself to Walker, or you or any other poster here. Go over to the health thread and explain what the problem or question you have about blasting your fat stores without exercise by not eating every few hours. Other than that, there's nothing to argue about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted December 15, 2016 Author #164 Share Posted December 15, 2016 5 hours ago, psyche101 said: That us seriously bad advice Yam. Really bad. You and your youtube exerts, you are a dead set joke and a real danger to those trying to learn. Everybody should do some exercises every day, if you think sitting around on your bum all day is the way to go, you are just lazy. When astronauts go into space, they experience serious problems from lack of gravity for their muscles, when in a wheelchair for a long period, you will need to exercise just to be able to walk again, common sense insist some exercise is required, the more muscle mass you want, the more you exercise, if you do not want to be huge, you just do bodyweight exercise if you do not already lead a physical lifestyle or workplace. You are just one step from those astronauts with gravity and toilet trips just enough to keep those muscles working, very very bad advice there Yam, as I keep saying, you are WAY out of your depth here. For your own sake, and for that of others, you should stop, and if you insist in this silly regime, leave it to yourself and your Youtube experts. No, you can remove the fat and muscle and leave a messy heap of flabby skin with barely any strength. Nope, experience, and example after example proves you are wrong there. I guess you have only ever walked past a gym huh? Are they different in the US are they? Millions of them here, like Video stores in the 80's. Free first month, $5 a day, I consider mine a fairly good deal with access 6 days a week, groups session 5 days a week, nutrition coach and physio for $49 a week. I do not see my coach nudging Bill Gates any time soon. A balanced diet is where that matters. Of course if you eat McDonalds six time a day, it wont help at all. A Sensible diet will. Yes, you do want them eating 6 times a day, eating grains, meats and good carbs like sweet potato. If you want to lose weight quickly, cut out the carbs and go pure protein. 3 months will create a huge change in a good healthy way maintaining strength. I know someone who is doing it right now, and he is not a figment of my imagination, resistance exercise can be undertaken by anyone, you do not have to be healthy to do so. Resistance exercise does not have to be lifting 200 pounds on the bench Yam, bodyweight squats, lunges and pushups are a great start. And a fat giy can do that safely. = advice by Yam. Yes, I am afraid I just do not believe him, Bread is not a great food. And he would have to take supplements with a vegetarian diet. He defies all research into health and I doubt you could find many nutritionists calling him anything other than a freak, and recommending nobody follow his diet. I see on the Net that some professionals seriously doubt his claims, and I have to say I do to. If they are true, he is very much an individual, and what he is doing is not going to work for the average person. Do I not have the right to that opinion now or something? THink what you want of him, I am just saying it sounds hard to believe, and it would not be a good guideline to follow. What a load of obnoxious stink that doesn't correct a word I said. If you can't understand that your body burns fat after you stop eating for eight hours then I don't know what's wrong with you. The last three hours of a 16 hour fast are golden hours. You can feel the deep fat burning between your organs, over your ribs, across your gut. At least I have experts. You have what? Yourself as an example? Well show me your body then and I'll show you mine. Let's see a photo of your beautiful body. Upload one with my name on it so I know it's you. Practice one of the dumbest ideas ever propagated about weight loss, to eat every few hours and not limit your fasting window, and you'll need the gym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted December 15, 2016 Author #165 Share Posted December 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Captain Risky said: What is 'status quo of sick care?' I would love to know. You get sick and the doctor tells you what's wrong and what to do to get better. You're not seriously going to argue that doctors are clueless to the effects and symptoms of marijuana smoking, cause you like to do it and you don't wanna be put off your daily chuff. Now if your argument was for alternate medical help like ironic pain relief etc, where the effectiveness of smoking pot outweighs the negatives then okay. But don't tell me there are no negatives and that pot is harmless. If you don't get sick the doctor doesn't do anything to keep you healthy because he has no formal training in natural medicine or nutrition. Doctors are clueless for a lot of reasons but they're not going to prescribe marijuana and lose their practice. It doesn't matter how much they know about it if they can't use it or talk about it because it's illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted December 15, 2016 #166 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I don't care what anyone says, I've seen enough marijuana users become paranoids to very much distrust it, it may be an affect that can vary from person to person, but it is real. How is that good for society ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted December 15, 2016 #167 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Considering that this topic has gone way off the tracks from the question of John Kelly re-militarizing the drug war, and has been going on for pages of personal medical and health notions... I'm going to close this completely derailed topic. Thread closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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