jmccr8 Posted January 9, 2017 #1 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Because another thread was closed I thought I would start a new one so that we could continue to share what has been found in the Americas. I will be starting by posting many links to get things started, this thread in not just about who got here first. Some of the links that I am posting are older but still hold an educational value an should be considered as reference points for discussion. there is much to know about what has happened in this part of the world and invite those that have participated in the past to continue to partake here. https://www.academia.edu/30791941/Summary_of_the_2016_Field_Season_at_Singer-Moye_9SW2_Introducing_the_Singer-Moye_Archaeological_Settlement_History_Project_SMASH_ https://www.academia.edu/30710672/Is_There_Mahogany_Obsidian_in_Northeastern_Sonora_Mexico https://www.academia.edu/934856/The_archaeology_of_central_Caribbean_Panama https://www.academia.edu/30648415/Birds_Bells_and_Shells_The_Long_Reach_of_the_Aztatlan_Trading_Tradition https://www.academia.edu/12618709/Early_Agriculture_in_the_Northern_Rio_Grande_Valley_New_Mexico https://www.academia.edu/30601346/RITUAL_CEREMONY_AND_SYMBOLISM_OF_ARCHAIC_BIGHORN_HUNTERS_OF_THE_EASTERN_MOJAVE_DESERT_NEWBERRY_CAVE_CALIFORNIA https://www.academia.edu/900681/Effect_of_Settlement_Patterns_and_Human_Hunting_on_Cervid_Availability_in_the_North_American_Southwest https://www.academia.edu/8942394/CLOVIS_TECHNOLOGY_AND_SETTLEMENT_IN_THE_AMERICAN_SOUTHEAST_USING_BIFACE_ANALYSIS_TO_EVALUATE_DISPERSAL_MODELS https://www.academia.edu/1332691/Early_Woodland_Cultural_Variation_Subsistence_and_Settlement_in_the_American_Bottom https://www.academia.edu/10270660/The_Cobden_Connection_Early-Paleoindian_Lithic_Procurement_and_Settlement_Mobility_in_the_American_Midwest_with_Brad_Koldehoff_ https://www.academia.edu/1777864/A_statistical_evaluation_of_models_for_the_initial_settlement_of_the_american_continent_emphasizes_the_importance_of_gene_flow_with_Asia https://www.academia.edu/10280858/Precontact_Native_American_Settlement_Along_the_Shores_of_Malletts_Bay_Archaeological_Phase_III_Investigations_at_the_Shore_Acres_and_Norbert_Sites_Colchester_Vermont https://www.academia.edu/10146010/_The_People_Who_Lived_by_the_Ocean_Native_American_Resource_Use_and_Settlement_in_the_Outer_Coastal_Plain_of_New_Jersey https://www.academia.edu/3894002/Daniel_Jr._I._R._2001_._Stone_Raw_Material_Availability_and_Early_Archaic_Settlement_in_the_Southeastern_United_States._American_Antiquity_66_237-265 https://www.academia.edu/5275112/Northeastern_North_American_Pleistocene_mammals_chronologically_overlapped_minimally_with_Paleoindians https://www.academia.edu/17035090/Late_Pleistocene_Holocene_craniofacial_morphology_in_Mesoamerican_Paleoindians_Implications_for_the_peopling_of_the_New_World https://www.academia.edu/4433701/Adaptive_Responses_of_Paleoindians_to_Cold_Stress_on_the_Periglacial_Northern_Great_Plains_2004_ https://www.academia.edu/242198/THE_USE_OF_NON-FLINT_RAW_MATERIALS_BY_PALEOINDIANS_IN_EASTERN_SOUTH_AMERICA_A_BRAZILIAN_PERSPECTIVE https://www.academia.edu/25595849/ARAUJO_A._G._M._2014_._Paleoenvironments_and_Paleoindians_in_Eastern_South_America._In_Dennis_Stanford_Alison_Stenger._Org._._Pre-Clovis_in_the_Americas_International_Science_Conference_Proceedings._1ed.Washington_DC_Smithsonian_Institution_2014_v._p._221-261 https://www.academia.edu/10459445/Early_Art_in_North_America_Clovis_and_later_Paleoindian_incised_artifacts_from_the_Gault_Site_Texas_41BL323_?auto=download&campaign=weekly_digest https://www.academia.edu/28933968/PaleoAmerica_A_journal_of_early_human_migration_and_dispersal_Early_Human_Settlement_of_Northeastern_North_America_Early_Human_Settlement_of_Northeastern_North_America?auto=download&campaign=weekly_digest I realize that this is a lot of links and yet this hardly begins to make a dent in the 2 folders of material that I have relative to the development of the Americas but do give a good indication as to how diverse this subject is. jmccr8 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 9, 2017 #2 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Would you mind dropping a brief synopsis of your hypothesis regarding the native peoples spread across the Americas? I didnt catch the previous thread and im assuming that because this is in the alternative history section you have a working theory. I cherry picked the link about the Eastern Mojave because thats my neighborhood. Very cool information thanks for the share. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted January 9, 2017 #3 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) Ditto, a synopsis would be great , I was reading in the other thread but couldn't get a clear or overall picture . Or even narrow it down to a couple of those links above that you recommend . Edited January 9, 2017 by back to earth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted January 9, 2017 #4 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Same. And when even your link list is TL;DR, you have a serious non-discussion problem. So tell us what this is about. If it's too complicated to explain/summarise, then break it down into little bits and post threads on each. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 9, 2017 Author #5 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Hi, I started the thread to have one place to put links about the discoveries that have been found and not really to put forward any theories although I do have some speculations that will likely not be provable. The last thread had no real direction and did open doors for discussion for thee three years that it was running. There are sites that have been greatly disputed and as new information came available it was submitted by many of the members that actively participated. One of my favorite sites is about the Windover pond People, there were bog burials and the artifacts that have been discovered were in a good preserved state that gave an insight into an interesting culture. On another note I am inclined to suspect that the use of watercraft was a big part of the dispersal of groups throughout the Americas, however the materials used degrade rapidly so it is difficult to assess their use. During the lgm and after there were larger waterway networks that would afford movement rather easily and some of the mega floods that occurred would in my opinion destroyed evidence of sites of occupation much in the same way that it did in the Urals in Russia/Asia. I have links that I will add but it is time consuming as links that I have in folders in google bookmarks won't copy/paste as well as the files of pdfs so I have to open them and then add them to bookmarks then they will post. jmccr8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 9, 2017 Author #6 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ChrLzs said: Same. And when even your link list is TL;DR, you have a serious non-discussion problem. So tell us what this is about. If it's too complicated to explain/summarise, then break it down into little bits and post threads on each. Don't know what TL;DR is I'm still not that computer savy. What I hope is that of the links if someone finds a point of interest that they want to explore that they ask questions or if they have an area of interest that they will post links to share or expand on. In the earlier thread it developed it's own path which is what made it interesting to partake in and there were knowledgeable members that got involved and guided a learning experience that made it quite enjoyable. jmccr8 Edited January 9, 2017 by jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 9, 2017 Author #7 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Because I mentioned the Windover Pond I will add a link as I said earlier it is a fascinating site. http://www.nbbd.com/godo/history/windover/ jmccr8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 9, 2017 Author #8 Share Posted January 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Farmer77 said: Would you mind dropping a brief synopsis of your hypothesis regarding the native peoples spread across the Americas? I didnt catch the previous thread and im assuming that because this is in the alternative history section you have a working theory. I cherry picked the link about the Eastern Mojave because thats my neighborhood. Very cool information thanks for the share. Hi Farmer77, Here is some information on the Serrano and Cahuilla people to add some context to the link that you mentioned. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Serrano_(people) https://www.google.ca/search?q=serrano+tribe+culture&rlz=1C1CHZL_enCA701CA701&espv=2&biw=979&bih=354&tbm=isch&imgil=gB8JO4AxhiSOMM%3A%3BSW-MBRFcJmbzUM%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.pinterest.com%252Fpin%252F196047390005009702%252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=gB8JO4AxhiSOMM%3A%2CSW-MBRFcJmbzUM%2C_&usg=___DhU9AGcSO-iaisgVkqKYvgGktY%3D#imgrc=gB8JO4AxhiSOMM%3A http://mojavedesert.net/cahuilla-indians/ https://www.google.ca/search?q=cahuilla+tribe&rlz=1C1CHZL_enCA701CA701&espv=2&biw=979&bih=354&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYupLIvrTRAhWI7YMKHZrKCA0QsAQIfQ jmccr8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 9, 2017 #9 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Thanks for all of the work, I will start reading your links. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 9, 2017 Author #10 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, Tatetopa said: Thanks for all of the work, I will start reading your links. Your welcome and as people ask or show an interest on any topic that comes up I will do what I can to provide material that will help expand on it. jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted January 9, 2017 #11 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Live long and prosper. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 10, 2017 Author #12 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Okay, I have a couple of links about the Norte Chico civilization that were building round pyramids about the same time the Egypt, this is an interesting civilization that "can" be traced back to 8kbp. It is interesting that their development is the earliest in the Americas and is the root culture for others that followed. http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Norte_Chico_civilization file:///C:/Users/blunt/Downloads/Umlor_Thesis.pdf jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 10, 2017 Author #13 Share Posted January 10, 2017 For some reason the second link won't open I will look for another one tonight after work. jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahir Posted January 10, 2017 #14 Share Posted January 10, 2017 3 hours ago, jmccr8 said: For some reason the second link won't open I will look for another one tonight after work. jmccr8 Is it this one? https://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/66572/Umlor_Thesis.pdf?sequence=1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 10, 2017 Author #15 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Yes thank you jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 11, 2017 Author #16 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I had intended to post some links last night but read through some of the threads and then went to my folders looking for a link that may give more of an overview of some of the older sites in the Americas. I decided that I would post this one first as the reader can look through each site and navigate to find additional information. I will later add links about these sites that I hope will offer a better description about them. http://www.sfu.museum/journey/an-en/postsecondaire-postsecondary/mccallum jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everdred Posted January 12, 2017 #17 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Here's an article I recently found that I don't see on your long list: http://www.academia.edu/11885083/The_Millennium_Before_Clovis This is a nice review, from 2015, of a number of pre-Clovis sites with a view towards identifying sites showing possible signs of cultural relation to Clovis (though it finds little relation in any of the sites reviewed). Still, it gives a good overview of finds for each site, arguments for and against the validity of the sites, and discusses the implications of each site towards the larger picture of the peopling of the Americas. And it has an extensive list of references for those of us less familiar with the earlier research. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 12, 2017 Author #18 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Great link Everdred and thanks for posting it, I hope that you will continue to share with us as the thread develops. I gave a lot of links in the first post that were seemingly unconnected because I wanted readers and contributors to know that this is a diverse subject and that it would be not off topic to explore the whole of the context of the discovery and settlement of the Americas. I will be adding links to some of these sites mentioned in your link as well, I just don't want to be accused of link mining . jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted January 12, 2017 #19 Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, jmccr8 said: I just don't want to be accused of link mining . jmccr8 DARN LINK MINER those are of the worse sort, a stench of corruption and a plague upon the internet.....ah, er, what is link mining and why would one not wish to be associated with it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 13, 2017 Author #20 Share Posted January 13, 2017 11 hours ago, Hanslune said: DARN LINK MINER those are of the worse sort, a stench of corruption and a plague upon the internet.....ah, er, what is link mining and why would one not wish to be associated with it? Some people seem to think that it is a pointless overload so I'm going to be sneaky and slip them in slowly. jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 13, 2017 Author #21 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I mentioned earlier that I thought that the use of watercraft played an important role in the development and dispersal of groups through the Americas. I am adding this link in support of that assumption. https://www.academia.edu/8365818/Envisioning_Water_Transport_Technology_in_Late_Pleistocene_America_2005 jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 13, 2017 Author #22 Share Posted January 13, 2017 In this post I am adding two links about the Monte Verde site, this site has had some controversy so the first link discusses the controversy and is from 1999, the second link is from 2015 and has a more recent review so I thought that it might add some newer information as to what has happened since. http://www.uky.edu/Projects/MonteVerde/monteverde.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4651426/ jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted January 14, 2017 #23 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Greetings all, This new paper details some of the most recent research related to Bluefish Caves, Yukon Territory. If further supported, this research would bolster the Beringia Standstill hypothesis and may confirm Cinq-Mars' earlier speculations. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169486 . 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 15, 2017 Author #24 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Hi Swede, Thanks for adding the link, I always find it interesting to see that earlier dates are being found especially from this geographic area. I'm glad that you are joining in and as always appreciate your input as a valued resource. jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted January 15, 2017 #25 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Swede said: Greetings all, This new paper details some of the most recent research related to Bluefish Caves, Yukon Territory. If further supported, this research would bolster the Beringia Standstill hypothesis and may confirm Cinq-Mars' earlier speculations. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169486 . The key result from that paper: Quote The oldest date we obtained (19,650 ± 130 14C BP, OxA-33778) came from the cut-marked horse mandible (J7.8.17) from Cave II Quote It is highly unlikely that the cut marks observed on the Bluefish Caves faunal material were generated by nonhuman agents or natural processes. In Cave II, the horse mandible (J7.8.17) (Fig 1) and a caribou pelvis (I5.6.5) (Fig 2) date the human presence to the LGM, ca. 24–22,000 cal BP (Fig 3). The traces identified on these bones are clearly not the result of climato-edaphic factors or carnivore activity. The presence of multiple, straight and parallel marks with internal microstriations observed on both specimens eliminates carnivores as potential agents. The relatively high breadth ratio (12 and 18 μm, respectively), as well as the depth (91 and 95 μm, respectively) and opening angle (144 and 139 μm, respectively) that we measured are in the range of marks produced by stone tools reported by experimental and archaeological studies [58]; the breadth ratio also differs from marks produced by carnivore teeth [52]. Sedimentary abrasion or trampling are also eliminated since the caribou coxal bone shows no other signs of abrasion and the long, parallel striae on the horse mandible are simply too regular. Furthermore, the anatomical location and orientation of the marks are consistent with filleting marks in the case of the caribou bone, while the presence of multiple cut marks on the medial side of the horse mandible indicates the removal of the tongue [48]. Previous cementochronological analysis of one of the teeth from this mandible indicated that the animal was killed in spring/summer [35], thus suggesting a human presence in Cave II during the warm season. Edited January 15, 2017 by Hanslune 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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