Sweetpumper Posted January 17, 2017 #51 Share Posted January 17, 2017 They'll certainly be indoctrinated by the adults. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 17, 2017 #52 Share Posted January 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sweetpumper said: They'll certainly be indoctrinated by the adults. the whole idea behind this organisation is indocrination 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmoonlady Posted January 17, 2017 #53 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Really it is anti indoctrination since nearly all school curriculum are based on the white European experience not from an inclusive historical or social perspective. According to some school districts they don't bother with much Native American history either. What the Radical Monarchs are doing is offering a Scouting experience not BASED on the white experience. Oh the shock and horror! Having role models and history inclusive of people of color isn't evil, it is the historical truth. Look at Hidden Figures or books about the civil rights movement, they aren't much covered in schools to give kids of a color a mentor or historical figure to look up to. This organization gives that plus all the things scouts do. Sorry if it hurts your grown white man's feelings but we have your history and culture already represented in school books and movies and television and everything else. Edited January 17, 2017 by darkmoonlady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 17, 2017 #54 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) lol, as i white man i have no problem, nor i care if people of color want to get their own club, but the issue is people of color have problem with us doing the same. Edited January 17, 2017 by aztek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted January 17, 2017 #55 Share Posted January 17, 2017 So, learning how to start a fire, tie knots and sell cookies is based on white experience? What we need is a club of color to teach that? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 17, 2017 #56 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, darkmoonlady said: Really it is anti indoctrination since nearly all school curriculum are based on the white European experience not from an inclusive historical or social perspective. i do not believe it for a second, if it was the case, it would make a lot more sense to push dept of ed to include new curriculum in schools so everyone learns that. not to establish exclusive none white club, where they will learn that allegedly. Edited January 17, 2017 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted January 17, 2017 #57 Share Posted January 17, 2017 It's just made-up BS to justify...segregation. Y'know, the thing the left so adamantly despises. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 17, 2017 #58 Share Posted January 17, 2017 i have no problem with segregation, we know what happens to property values, and neighborhood in general, when certain demographic moves in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted January 17, 2017 #59 Share Posted January 17, 2017 And it has nothing to do with color, it's cultures that clash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 17, 2017 #60 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sweetpumper said: And it has nothing to do with color, it's cultures that clash. that culture is clashing with itself, on regular basis, just see Chicago, 500 murders a year within same culture. before harlem and east ny became gettos, they were jewish\white upscale neighborhoods. now they are worst,crime drug infested hoods now,. Edited January 17, 2017 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted January 18, 2017 #61 Share Posted January 18, 2017 22 hours ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said: Why would that bother you more? Why should it bother you at all? It would seem racist, and it would reek of hypocrisy. That's why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted January 18, 2017 #62 Share Posted January 18, 2017 22 hours ago, DarkHunter said: Its a bit more challenging and slightly more costly for African Americans to figure out about their black ethnic backgrounds but its not that much harder if they actually actually cared to find out. There was 45 different documented ethnic groups that made up the slave trade and of that 10 made up the majority of slaves. A DNA test can pretty easily tell them which tribes their ancestors came from if they really wanted to find out about their origins, would just cost a family like $150 to $200 on average. That's a *very* recent thing. People should be careful when they do that because there are some inaccurate and/or unscrupulous groups out there. 23 And Me might be the best of the bunch, but your privacy might be endangered in some ways if you use them. I'll stop there because I don't want to derail this thread even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted January 18, 2017 #63 Share Posted January 18, 2017 10 hours ago, aquatus1 said: It is the education part that this club has a problem with, and I can't say I disagree with you about the lack of balance that currently exists. The mere act of minority girls trying to learn more about their American cultural heritage seems offensive to some people. Why people choose to refer to this club as racist for doing the exact same thing other girls club's like this is beyond me. One might as well complain that girls clubs are sexist because they don't admit boys. I know what you mean. It's like how homosexual activists, as well as militant atheists, demonize the Boy Scouts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmoonlady Posted January 18, 2017 #64 Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, aztek said: lol, as i white man i have no problem, nor i care if people of color want to get their own club, but the issue is people of color have problem with us doing the same. Well apparently you do since you've posted a bunch about this group of little girls learning about their heritage. Oh and btw you can learn all about your heritage, last time I checked white people could look up up to plenty of mentors and their ancestry all the way back to before whites landed on US soil. Seems to me they don't as such have a problem with whites as I showed anyone can join. That being said why is it an issue for you? If a group of little girls get together and learn about Rosa Parks or Caesar Chavez what is it to you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 18, 2017 #65 Share Posted January 18, 2017 12 hours ago, darkmoonlady said: That being said why is it an issue for you? If a group of little girls get together and learn about Rosa Parks or Caesar Chavez what is it to you? lmao, that is bll crap, all that black heritage is normal part of any public school program,. and you do not even realize you defend discrimination, and promote racism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 18, 2017 #66 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, darkmoonlady said: Well apparently you do since you've posted a bunch about this group of little girls learning about their heritage. well, no i do not, i just want equality. you got something against equality? learning about heritage?? no they are learning how to start a fire, tie knots and sell cookies, watch the video, their heritage is a part of any public school program Edited January 18, 2017 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted January 18, 2017 #67 Share Posted January 18, 2017 19 hours ago, aztek said: you shouid modern day girl scouts are not about exclusions, unlike this one. Yeah, yeah, all talk, no support. Quote a grown man twisting someone words in a failed attempt to legitimize its racist pov is even worst. Try singing a different song. Pulling the victim card is eye-rolling enough as it is. Quote i said organisation is racist, but you got a point there, after some time there kids will be raised like true racists. count on it. Yeah, you certainly do seem to place a lot of value on your opinion being inevitable truth. Tell you what; since you don't seem to have anything in the way of an actual argument, why don't you repeat the same thing you have been saying a few more times, and maybe, the more you repeat it, the more right you will be? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 18, 2017 #68 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The girl scouts is pretty well inclusive as far as meat suits and cultures go... But they do have a thing they don't allow. Non-theists or people that will not swear to follow a specific kind of spiritual principal. The pledge literally starts with "to serve my God and my country", and they mean it- all girls wanting to join must swear to a divine principal of some sort. This came about so that girls of faiths that don't use the term God could use their form and still swear in. There was a bit of skirmishing about it in the early 90's due to some lawsuit action in the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts. An interesting result of this allowance of the Girl Scouts to allow girls to swear to something other than God specifically. A few Girl Scout folks were really unhappy about that and decided to make a splinter group that is exclusively Christian called the American Heritage Girls. There's actually quite a few religiously exclusive youth groups. There's also political ones, and agriculture ones, and a bunch of other ones too. Here's a wiki link on youth organizations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_organizations_in_the_United_States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted January 18, 2017 #69 Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, rashore said: The girl scouts is pretty well inclusive as far as meat suits and cultures go... But they do have a thing they don't allow. Non-theists or people that will not swear to follow a specific kind of spiritual principal. The pledge literally starts with "to serve my God and my country", and they mean it- all girls wanting to join must swear to a divine principal of some sort. This came about so that girls of faiths that don't use the term God could use their form and still swear in. There was a bit of skirmishing about it in the early 90's due to some lawsuit action in the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts. An interesting result of this allowance of the Girl Scouts to allow girls to swear to something other than God specifically. A few Girl Scout folks were really unhappy about that and decided to make a splinter group that is exclusively Christian called the American Heritage Girls. There's actually quite a few religiously exclusive youth groups. There's also political ones, and agriculture ones, and a bunch of other ones too. Here's a wiki link on youth organizations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_organizations_in_the_United_States That's why jamborees are so important! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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