XenoFish Posted January 22, 2017 #176 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, papageorge1 said: That's impossible for me to know in any one case. So you don't have a mental check to shift the bs from a story? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 22, 2017 #177 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stiff said: That's a fair point and I agree with that. My auntie told me a story about an encounter she had when she was a little girl. It's extremely hard to explain what happened other than she did actually see a ghost. She told me this in all honesty (it was actually my grandmother {her mother} who told me but when I asked my auntie, she looked visibly shaken and then confirmed said story), and I consider her a very competent person. This however doesn't mean that she actually saw a 'ghost'. What she saw, encountered and later learned, I cannot explain, but I still don't believe there are such things as ghosts. I should... but I don't. I admire your passion for wanting to believe something even when under so much fire and all evidence points elsewhere. That's meant as a compliment by the way. I really do hope you look into the things you want to believe in and take everything on board but I do have that sneaking feeling that your 'passion' to believe is so strong that no amount of evidence will sway your judgement. What is this evidence that you think I am not already aware of and considering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 22, 2017 #178 Share Posted January 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Thorvir said: Incorrect. There's not enough to ever prove...disproving is easy to do. how do you disprove a typical ghost story, if it is 'easy'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 22, 2017 #179 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: how do you disprove a typical ghost story, if it is 'easy'. http://www.cennamology.com/home/did-this-study-just-disprove-the-existence-of-ghosts http://mentalfloss.com/article/70293/6-scientific-explanations-ghosts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 22, 2017 #180 Share Posted January 22, 2017 One of the interesting by products of some research was that certain low frequencies which are below normal hearing can be sensed by people. These low frequency sounds induce a sense of unease in people. The sounds have been detected in areas where people report ghosts. The obvious application of this is to use this in movie theaters to scare the bejeesus out of movie goers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 22, 2017 #181 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, stereologist said: One of the interesting by products of some research was that certain low frequencies which are below normal hearing can be sensed by people. These low frequency sounds induce a sense of unease in people. The sounds have been detected in areas where people report ghosts. The obvious application of this is to use this in movie theaters to scare the bejeesus out of movie goers. http://nerdist.com/spooky-science-the-ghost-frequency/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 22, 2017 #182 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, stereologist said: One of the interesting by products of some research was that certain low frequencies which are below normal hearing can be sensed by people. These low frequency sounds induce a sense of unease in people. The sounds have been detected in areas where people report ghosts. The obvious application of this is to use this in movie theaters to scare the bejeesus out of movie goers. That is not something I am unfamiliar with. Can it cause multiple people to see the same details? Then you might get into other psychological explanations, I have heard. My judgment is that some explanations might even be correct a small percentage of the time, but the numerous strong clear and repeated sightings are still best explained by paranormal theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 22, 2017 #183 Share Posted January 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, XenoFish said: http://nerdist.com/spooky-science-the-ghost-frequency/ Great link XenoFish. I read about this a few years back. I did not know about te potential connection between predators and these sounds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 22, 2017 #184 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: That is not something I am unfamiliar with. Can it cause multiple people to see the same details? Then you might get into other psychological explanations, I have heard. My judgment is that some explanations might even be correct a small percentage of the time, but the numerous strong clear and repeated sightings are still best explained by paranormal theories. Still waiting for you to provide 10 stories for consider. You keep saying there are millions so picking out 10 should be incredibly easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 22, 2017 #185 Share Posted January 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: What is this evidence that you think I am not already aware of and considering? Sheesh, where do we start? I guess these could be something to have a look through and maybe take on board. Like I say though, I think once someone has that mindset it will be hard for them to accept what is blatantly obvious to others. http://listverse.com/2013/09/30/10-scientific-explanations-for-ghostly-phenomena/ http://web.randi.org/swift/ghost-faq-facts-and-fiction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 22, 2017 #186 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, stereologist said: Still waiting for you to provide 10 stories for consider. You keep saying there are millions so picking out 10 should be incredibly easy. ???? You are just not understanding (perhaps intentionally) the argument I am making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 22, 2017 #187 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stiff said: Sheesh, where do we start? I guess these could be something to have a look through and maybe take on board. Like I say though, I think once someone has that mindset it will be hard for them to accept what is blatantly obvious to others. http://listverse.com/2013/09/30/10-scientific-explanations-for-ghostly-phenomena/ http://web.randi.org/swift/ghost-faq-facts-and-fiction What makes you think I haven't heard all this before and judged that it was unreasonable to think that it explains away the full body of ghostly encounters and stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 22, 2017 #188 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: What makes you think I haven't heard all this before and judged that it was unreasonable to think that it explains away the full body of ghostly encounters and stories. Then I guess that just proves what I've been saying all along. People who 'want' to believe in ghosts just want ghosts to be real. What rational people do is look for evidence that ghosts are not real and that there is something else going on. When you do that, you find lots of evidence that it's probably all just made up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted January 22, 2017 #189 Share Posted January 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: That is not something I am unfamiliar with. Can it cause multiple people to see the same details? And WHICH PARTICULAR CASE would that be???? Papageorge, stop abusing this forum with your unsupported claims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 22, 2017 #190 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Stiff said: People who 'want' to believe in ghosts just want ghosts to be real. I wonder if this belief is a product of fearing death and the loss of the self? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 22, 2017 #191 Share Posted January 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, XenoFish said: I wonder if this belief is a product of fearing death and the loss of the self? I would imagine there will be a myriad of reasons but that, and/or the loss of someone close, could well be in the running for the top spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 22, 2017 #192 Share Posted January 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, Stiff said: Then I guess that just proves what I've been saying all along. People who 'want' to believe in ghosts just want ghosts to be real. What rational people do is look for evidence that ghosts are not real and that there is something else going on. When you do that, you find lots of evidence that it's probably all just made up. Doesn't this argument go both ways? I comes down to remaining objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 22, 2017 #193 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, papageorge1 said: Doesn't this argument go both ways? Of course it does. It's just the balance of evidence that is vastly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 22, 2017 #194 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Stiff said: Of course it does. It's just the balance of evidence that is vastly different. I agree that it seems lopsided. But apparently we see it in opposite directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 22, 2017 #195 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, papageorge1 said: I agree that it seems lopsided. But apparently we see it in opposite directions. It's good to have different views from different angles. One day we might find something definitive and it could be from either side. I hope so. I'll be the first to hold my hand up and say I was wrong if it's from the paranormal camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 22, 2017 #196 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Please provide the genuine stories that have been requested for over 170 posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 22, 2017 #197 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, stereologist said: Please provide the genuine stories that have been requested for over 170 posts. I already did. How many of the 170 did you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWoo7 Posted January 23, 2017 #198 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Excellent THANKS ! ::: 2 hours ago, stereologist said: 2 hours ago, XenoFish said: http://nerdist.com/spooky-science-the-ghost-frequency/ Great link XenoFish. I read about this a few years back. I did not know about te potential connection between predators and these sounds. Also like the little clip in there. Always like Neil Tyson dinners kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 23, 2017 #199 Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 hours ago, ChrLzs said: First up, that link is merely a place for story telling, it does not do even the slightest bit of fact checking, nor do they even ask for evidence. It's a place for people to tell stories. So far, I agree. 4 hours ago, ChrLzs said: You can probably imagine already what is going to follow - in essence, papageorge believes ALL stories he reads. He may as well be telling us that Grimm's stories are real, along with faeries and invisible pink unicorns. Multiple times papa guestimates a 50% genuine phenomena on this link, but that will always turn to 100% by people looking to criticize. And pink unicorns and Santa Claus and tooth faeries are frequently thrown in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted January 23, 2017 #200 Share Posted January 23, 2017 This is obviously going nowhere, the thread has been going round in circles for several pages. Closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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