+Hammerclaw Posted February 14, 2017 #201 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Just now, Frank Merton said: We are about as bestial as it gets. From what we know about their tool kit, they didn't know much, though, did they? About an hour's practice is all it takes to make a flint ax, and that was about it for their technology. We have a few of their genes; odds are if they were still around they would have a few of ours. This doesn't prove much -- if sheep could bear viable offspring quite a few of us would have sheep genes. All it tells me is that we were on the edge of being different species, with most offspring being mules. All supposition, Frank, hotly disputed and debated. Their tool kit was no primitive than that of Australian Aborigines. They're not thought inferior. It's the appearance of Neanderthal man that prejudices us against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted February 14, 2017 #202 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Just now, Hammerclaw said: All supposition, Frank, hotly disputed and debated. Their tool kit was no primitive than that of Australian Aborigines. They're not thought inferior. It's the appearance of Neanderthal man that prejudices us against him. Do you have some good archeology to back this up with? My understanding is that they didn't even have needles and only threw the carcass over their shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted February 14, 2017 #203 Share Posted February 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, Frank Merton said: Do you have some good archeology to back this up with? My understanding is that they didn't even have needles and only threw the carcass over their shoulder. In silent films, perhaps. Neanderthal man was quite sophisticated. You just need a stone or bone awl to punch holes in leather to thread sinew through. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/defy-stereotypes.html http://www.kidspast.com/world-history/0015-neanderthals-and-tools.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 14, 2017 #204 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: Not if they can successfully interbreed and produce fertile offspring. The human race has never been pure, especially out of Africa. One must disabuse oneself of the quaint notion that true man began with what we narrowly classify as homo sapiens, who is only the latest iteration. Perhaps you should do so. Personally, I haven't entertained such a notion since Elementary School when I first heard of Louis Leakey. Harte Edited February 14, 2017 by Harte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 14, 2017 #205 Share Posted February 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: All supposition, Frank, hotly disputed and debated. Their tool kit was no primitive than that of Australian Aborigines. Frank often chimes in with nonsense. It literally took YEARS for us to rediscover the methods used to create flint tools, not "...an hour's practice..." The word "mule" is often bandied about when discussing infertility among hybrids. Many people don't know that some mules are fertile. Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted February 14, 2017 #206 Share Posted February 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Harte said: Frank often chimes in with nonsense. It literally took YEARS for us to rediscover the methods used to create flint tools, not "...an hour's practice..." The word "mule" is often bandied about when discussing infertility among hybrids. Many people don't know that some mules are fertile. Harte It took me exactly two years to be able to make a reasonable stone tools (that looked liked a Clovis point in this case that end flute was a b____h........ with a lot of oops along the way. I was aided by learning with obsidian which in some ways is easier than some other rocks....but then I didn't do it every day. I did teach some army guys how to make crude flakes - now that only took an hour! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 14, 2017 #207 Share Posted February 14, 2017 12 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: I'm getting images of an interesting threesome here. at least you got my ' joke ' . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 14, 2017 #208 Share Posted February 14, 2017 11 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: All supposition, Frank, hotly disputed and debated. Their tool kit was no primitive than that of Australian Aborigines. They're not thought inferior. It's the appearance of Neanderthal man that prejudices us against him. 11 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: In silent films, perhaps. Neanderthal man was quite sophisticated. You just need a stone or bone awl to punch holes in leather to thread sinew through. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/defy-stereotypes.html http://www.kidspast.com/world-history/0015-neanderthals-and-tools.php I cant recall ever seeing any traditional sewn or laced Australian Aboriginal clothing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 14, 2017 #209 Share Posted February 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Hanslune said: It took me exactly two years to be able to make a reasonable stone tools (that looked liked a Clovis point in this case that end flute was a b____h........ with a lot of oops along the way. I was aided by learning with obsidian which in some ways is easier than some other rocks....but then I didn't do it every day. I did teach some army guys how to make crude flakes - now that only took an hour! Who taught you? The fact is, the methods for many tools were lost for centuries and only recently regained. Harte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted February 15, 2017 #210 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Harte said: Who taught you? The fact is, the methods for many tools were lost for centuries and only recently regained. Harte I learned from an archaeologist, Solheim who had learned it from a fellow named Don E. Crabtree, still have the book. Modern stone tool making was initialized by those who studied Ishi's efforts.(I believe) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted February 15, 2017 #211 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, back to earth said: I cant recall ever seeing any traditional sewn or laced Australian Aboriginal clothing . A curious lapse of knowledge. Stitching and weaving various materials are some of the oldest human activities; basket weaving, for instance. Stitching leather came second nature to early man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possum-skin_cloak Edited February 15, 2017 by Hammerclaw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted February 15, 2017 #212 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hanslune said: I learned from an archaeologist, Solheim who had learned it from a fellow named Don E. Crabtree, still have the book. Modern stone tool making was initialized by those who studied Ishi's efforts.(I believe) Oh forgot to put in a link for Ishi, the last 'wild' Indian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishi and Don E. Crabtree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Crabtree and might as well throw in Solheim too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Solheim Edited February 15, 2017 by Hanslune 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted February 15, 2017 #213 Share Posted February 15, 2017 20 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: I'm getting images of an interesting threesome here. Ha! You said it, not me. My anemic decorum remains preserved. (I was very tempted to say the same thing, but don't tell anyone.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 15, 2017 #214 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: A curious lapse of knowledge. Stitching and weaving various materials are some of the oldest human activities; basket weaving, for instance. Stitching leather came second nature to early man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possum-skin_cloak No, not a lapse , I still dont recall ever seeing the stiching. Obviously a fault on my part , I have see a possum skin cloak on exhibit but couldnt examine it or see the inside . Weaving is easier to observe and fairly obvious. I have seen kangaroo sinew used for binding, say, a spear point to a shaft and sealed up with resin . For some strange reason, I never thought about the size of the cloak and the size of a possum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 15, 2017 #215 Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said: Ha! You said it, not me. My anemic decorum remains preserved. (I was very tempted to say the same thing, but don't tell anyone.) I still maintain it gives birth to a new animal ! - I mean every animal birth is a new animal , yeah ? I'm thinkin ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted July 10, 2018 #216 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Scientists were alarmed by rock carvings where dinosaurs are among people. These drawings may indicate the joint living of people with dinosaurs. http://www.planetanovosti.com/planetanovosti/dinosaur-cave-paintings-1387029-e1531118439259.jpg Figures were found from Australia to Peru. Scientists, in turn, deny such cohabitation because by evolution, primitive people appeared much later. Secret knowledge says that the first race lived in the ocean as well as all living things and after they got out on land with the rest of the species from the beginning of the Earth's formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted July 10, 2018 #217 Share Posted July 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, Coil said: Scientists were alarmed by rock carvings where dinosaurs are among people. These drawings may indicate the joint living of people with dinosaurs. http://www.planetanovosti.com/planetanovosti/dinosaur-cave-paintings-1387029-e1531118439259.jpg Figures were found from Australia to Peru. Scientists, in turn, deny such cohabitation because by evolution, primitive people appeared much later. Secret knowledge says that the first race lived in the ocean as well as all living things and after they got out on land with the rest of the species from the beginning of the Earth's formation. Hi Coil You already have a discussion going on about this in another thread why not just keep it in one place? jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted July 10, 2018 #218 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Close it down kmt. Necromancer threads are your favorite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 10, 2018 #219 Share Posted July 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, danydandan said: Close it down kmt. Necromancer threads are your favorite. @kmt_sesh I agree boss! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted July 10, 2018 #220 Share Posted July 10, 2018 And I agree, too. No need to necropost this one. Thread closed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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