DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 #1 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I have had a few paranormal experiences, yet never the orb captured on camera experience. This.got me.wondering. Why do some people capture orbs on film? How can we be sure that it is a spirit?(Why not dust on the lense etc) Why do some spirits appear as apparitions and other as orbs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted January 22, 2017 #2 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Here's some info on orbs that should be helpful:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb_(optics) Orbs are not anything paranormal. They are not spirits. They are clearly objects that are caught in the light that are too close to the lens and out of focus. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted January 22, 2017 #3 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Usually "orbs" are spotted only on photos, and only in situations where a flash illuminates floating dust particles. http://strangeoccurrencesparanormal.weebly.com/orbs-explained.html If you have an area of your house that looks dusty. Take a pic as a baseline, then do something (like dusting) that will get dust up into the air. Take another pic. You should see a bunch of "orbs" in the second pic and few, if any in the first pic. NOTE: This will not work with a phone camera that does not flash. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #4 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Thorvir said: Here's some info on orbs that should be helpful:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb_(optics) Orbs are not anything paranormal. They are not spirits. They are clearly objects that are caught in the light that are too close to the lens and out of focus. Thank u kindly. Now, those orbs that move around while being photographed(changes place) or moves around while being filmed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #5 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: Usually "orbs" are spotted only on photos, and only in situations where a flash illuminates floating dust particles. http://strangeoccurrencesparanormal.weebly.com/orbs-explained.html If you have an area of your house that looks dusty. Take a pic as a baseline, then do something (like dusting) that will get dust up into the air. Take another pic. You should see a bunch of "orbs" in the second pic and few, if any in the first pic. NOTE: This will not work with a phone camera that does not flash. I like the first heading that states: most are not paranormal. Thus leaves space for the.possibility that it.might not be dust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 22, 2017 #6 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DebDandelion said: I like the first heading that states: most are not paranormal. Thus leaves space for the.possibility that it.might not be dust? You said "I like the first heading", you are biased and want to believe in something and will cling to anything that supports your belief. " Why do some spirits appear as apparitions and other as orbs? " There are no spirits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking Edited January 22, 2017 by Four Winds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #7 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Four Winds said: You said "I like the first heading", you are biased and want to believe in something and will cling to anything that supports your belief. When I say 'i like' doesn't mean I am biased. Simply means that I like the way they phrased it. Please don't assume I will cling to anything to support my belief, that is a generalisation on your.behalf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 22, 2017 #8 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DebDandelion said: When I say 'i like' doesn't mean I am biased. Simply means that I like the way they phrased it. Please don't assume I will cling to anything to support my belief, that is a generalisation on your.behalf You suffer from magical thinking and so predisposed to your belief. "Why do some spirits appear as apparitions and other as orbs? " That is magical thinking, no amount of logic will ever get through to you. You are in the land of fairy tales and fantasy. Edited January 22, 2017 by Four Winds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #9 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Again Fw, you are making assumptions about what I believe. And just because I am asking questions about what I have observed doesn't mean I hold it as truth. I am asking questions. But thank u for your response 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 22, 2017 #10 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DebDandelion said: Again Fw, you are making assumptions about what I believe. And just because I am asking questions about what I have observed doesn't mean I hold it as truth. I am asking questions. But thank u for your response The question you are asking "Why do some spirits appear as apparitions and other as orbs?" implies you believe in things that don't actually exist, so you will not get a rational answer that suits you. You may get an answer from someone that has the same type of magical thinking that you do, lets wait and see. Edited January 22, 2017 by Four Winds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #11 Share Posted January 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Four Winds said: The question you are asking "Why do some spirits appear as apparitions and other as orbs?" implies you believe in things that don't actually exist, so you will not get a rational answer that suits you. You may get an answer from someone that has the same type of magical thinking that you do, lets wait and see. Oh no, me asking why some appear as apparitions and other as orbs originates from me seeing photos and videos of orbs and photos of apparitions and me simply wondering why some appear as orbs and some.dont. It's called observation. You are assuming, because I am asking, that I accept it as truth that there are orbs and or apparitions - your assumption based on your own bias. I believe in questioning things, things I believe in and things I don't believe in. That's just who I am. Your answer to my questions simply says that you don't believe in spirits. I respect that, but it doesn't mean you can dismiss my questions cause you don't believe in that. I respect that you don't, but I still await explanations on questions I have, or at.least speculation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 22, 2017 #12 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DebDandelion said: Oh no, me asking why some appear as apparitions and other as orbs originates from me seeing photos and videos of orbs and photos of apparitions and me simply wondering why some appear as orbs and some.dont. It's called observation. You are assuming, because I am asking, that I accept it as truth that there are orbs and or apparitions - your assumption based on your own bias. I believe in questioning things, things I believe in and things I don't believe in. That's just who I am. Your answer to my questions simply says that you don't believe in spirits. I respect that, but it doesn't mean you can dismiss my questions cause you don't believe in that. I respect that you don't, but I still await explanations on questions I have, or at.least speculation. So you believe in spirits, yes or no? and they can show up on film? Edited January 22, 2017 by Four Winds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #13 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Four Winds said: So you believe in spirits, yes or no? and they can show up on film? Define Spirits.. ..show on film? I truly don't.know that answer. I know people have taken photos that they believe are.spirits, I haven't seen any 'documented' (photos/ videos) to convince me beyond doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #14 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Four Winds said: So you believe in spirits, yes or no? and they can show up on film? I do believe without a doubt that there are things out there that physics can't always explain. And sometimes we just have to accept that, for if we dismiss all paranormal we will never be convinced otherwise. Flip side of the coin be true as well, that u believe in the paranormal as truth that u will take anything as.proof of its existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 22, 2017 #15 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, DebDandelion said: Define Spirits.. ..show on film? I truly don't.know that answer. I know people have taken photos that they believe are.spirits, I haven't seen any 'documented' (photos/ videos) to convince me beyond doubt. You define spirits, you mentioned it in your original post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #16 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Four Winds said: You define spirits, you mentioned it in your original post. That's a very good question! Define my idea of spirits...give me.some time to formulate my thinking! Awesome question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #17 Share Posted January 22, 2017 29 minutes ago, Four Winds said: The question you are asking "Why do some spirits appear as apparitions and other as orbs?" implies you believe in things that don't actually exist, so you will not get a rational answer that suits you. You may get an answer from someone that has the same type of magical thinking that you do, lets wait and see. I want to respond to this again...you are stating that I believe.in things that don't actually exist, I have always said that if it cannot be.proved without a doubt that it is true or false one should stay open minded. Do you think it is good manners to proclaim that because I think differently /experience differently from you that it is.magical thinking? Should a person not allow each individual to explore their own experience without leaping to Labelling or dismissing them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted January 22, 2017 #18 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) While you two are getting a room or is it a boxing ring...? 4winds, reread the OP. It was a set of genuine questions.. It takes several factors to make a camera - be it a compact 'real' camera or a phone camera - prone to orbs. Plus, it requires a bit of luck or a very dusty/misty/rainy environment. Hence some folks are much more likely to get them. BTW, it's very rarely something on the lens (and there is a simple way to tell), usually it's something floating past but very nearby, or it may be further away and the camera is focusing at the wrong distance. There are usually several giveaways in the nature of the orb itself that will tell if it is an optical artefact. Happy to elaborate if required.. If anyone has any examples, please feel free to post (original images (full-res/unedited) preferably). Edited January 22, 2017 by ChrLzs 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 22, 2017 #19 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, ChrLzs said: While you two are getting a room or is it a boxing ring...? 4winds, reread the OP. It was a set of genuine questions.. My apologies if I misread it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted January 22, 2017 #20 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, DebDandelion said: Do you think it is good manners to proclaim that because I think differently /experience differently from you that it is.magical thinking? Should a person not allow each individual to explore their own experience without leaping to Labelling or dismissing them? No I don't think it is good manners to do so, I was just cutting to the chase. Normally I would cage my responses but there have been drums going off since early in the morning and they continue, just outside my window and that is making me a bit snarky. My apologies if I have offended you. Edited January 22, 2017 by Four Winds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #21 Share Posted January 22, 2017 36 minutes ago, Four Winds said: No I don't think it is good manners to do so, I was just cutting to the chase. Normally I would cage my responses but there have been drums going off since early in the morning and they continue, just outside my window and that is making me a bit snarky. My apologies if I have offended you. Apology accepted. I sure hope you get some peace with those drums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #22 Share Posted January 22, 2017 43 minutes ago, ChrLzs said: While you two are getting a room or is it a boxing ring...? 4winds, reread the OP. It was a set of genuine questions.. It takes several factors to make a camera - be it a compact 'real' camera or a phone camera - prone to orbs. Plus, it requires a bit of luck or a very dusty/misty/rainy environment. Hence some folks are much more likely to get them. BTW, it's very rarely something on the lens (and there is a simple way to tell), usually it's something floating past but very nearby, or it may be further away and the camera is focusing at the wrong distance. Get that thanx. Makes sense There are usually several giveaways in the nature of the orb itself that will tell if it is an optical artefact. what do u mean with this? Could u elaborate please? Happy to elaborate if required.. If anyone has any examples, please feel free to post (original images (full-res/unedited) preferably). that would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #23 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Four Winds said: You define spirits, you mentioned it in your original post. I thought about this long and hard, and I define spirits as entities that cannot take flesh and.blood appearance (form). I say entities since I am not.convinced that it is the 'spirit' of the deceased and or an evil 'spirit' as defined by some. I genuinely don't know what the entities are or where they come from, hence not sticking to the.formal definition provided by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted January 22, 2017 #24 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, DebDandelion said: BTW, it's very rarely something on the lens (and there is a simple way to tell), usually it's something floating past but very nearby, or it may be further away and the camera is focusing at the wrong distance. Get that thanx. Makes sense There are usually several giveaways in the nature of the orb itself that will tell if it is an optical artefact. what do u mean with this? Could u elaborate please? First up, if it is large enough you will often see concentric lines, other discolorations and shapes that: - repeat in other orbs taken at the same time or in other shots - if in a video, may vary but in line with the orbs position in the frame, eg if the camera moves, the orb will distort in exact timing with the move Second, and subject to the mild differences above, it will generally be fairly uniform in brightness, due to the nature of 'bokeh' (you may wish to look it up). Third, it may show an odd shape that matches the camera's aperture shape. On small sensor (aka cheap/phone) cameras, that may be a plain circle, or a triangle or half circle or square or trapezium even. On bigger cameras/better lenses the shape may be pentagonal, hexagonal, nonagonal etc depending on how many aperture blades it has. Also, there are simple ways to test what these 'bokeh' shapes will look like on a given camera, using streetlights at night, or dust (eg talcum or flour..) in a dark-ish room. But almost invariably, the person making the claim will not want to do that and you can draw your own conclusion about whether those folks want to find the truth or want people to fawn over their 'spirit' photo.... Quote Happy to elaborate if required.. If anyone has any examples, please feel free to post (original images (full-res/unedited) preferably). that would be awesome! My camera (a big DSLR) generally doesn't do them, and frankly I can't be bothered trying to get them on my phone camera. But if anyone wants to post an example, feel free, but read my comments above, first. I may be asking questions... ! Here's a video (no audio) I did about a related phenomena, many moons ago. Starting about 1:30 in, it points out those weird shapes and circles you can get in an 'orb'. In this case the orb is Venus and the camera is focused very close, hence Venus is way out of focus. But the principle is the same, something small and bright that is way out of focus.... Edited January 22, 2017 by ChrLzs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted January 22, 2017 Author #25 Share Posted January 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, ChrLzs said: First up, if it is large enough you will often see concentric lines, other discolorations and shapes that: - repeat in other orbs taken at the same time or in other shots - if in a video, may vary but in line with the orbs position in the frame, eg if the camera moves, the orb will distort in exact timing with the move Second, and subject to the mild differences above, it will generally be fairly uniform in brightness, due to the nature of 'bokeh' (you may wish to look it up). Third, it may show an odd shape that matches the camera's aperture shape. On small sensor (aka cheap/phone) cameras, that may be a plain circle, or a triangle or half circle or square or trapezium even. On bigger cameras/better lenses the shape may be pentagonal, hexagonal, nonagonal etc depending on how many aperture blades it has. Also, there are simple ways to test what these 'bokeh' shapes will look like on a given camera, using streetlights at night, or dust (eg talcum or flour..) in a dark-ish room. But almost invariably, the person making the claim will not want to do that and you can draw your own conclusion about whether those folks want to find the truth or want people to fawn over their 'spirit' photo.... My camera (a big DSLR) generally doesn't do them, and frankly I can't be bothered trying to get them on my phone camera. But if anyone wants to post an example, feel free, but read my comments above, first. I may be asking questions... ! Here's a video I did about a related phenomena, many moons ago. Starting about 1:30 in, it points out those weird shapes and circles you can get in an 'orb'. In this case the orb is Venus and the camera is focused very close, hence Venus is way out of focus. But the principle is the same, something small and bright that is way out of focus.... That is an awesome video! Thank u so much. U indirectly answered one if my questions posted earlier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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