Hanslune Posted January 26, 2017 #1 Share Posted January 26, 2017 This city was mentioned in ancient sources but has it ever been found and ID in the modern world? https://books.google.com/books?id=k3YaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA353&lpg=PA353&dq=Saphar,+the+metropolis&source=bl&ots=7WwYCxMF1R&sig=onizY_v6qr_Jb4uvUDi_3WBkzvc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKgLW99N7RAhXEw1QKHQvEA_oQ6AEILTAD#v=onepage&q=Saphar%2C the metropolis&f=false An Universal History: The Ancient Part, Volume 18, page 353 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atalante Posted January 27, 2017 #2 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Are you thinking of Zafar in Yemen? http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/buried-christian-empire-in-yemen-casts-new-light-on-early-islam-a-874048.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted January 27, 2017 Author #3 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, atalante said: Are you thinking of Zafar in Yemen? http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/buried-christian-empire-in-yemen-casts-new-light-on-early-islam-a-874048.html Don't know! I found that reference to a city in the book I linked to and was trying to find information on it the spelling/sound might mean they are the same, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butler Posted January 28, 2017 #4 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted January 28, 2017 Author #5 Share Posted January 28, 2017 8 hours ago, The Butler said: May we presume this fine hulky fellow is named Saphar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted January 28, 2017 #6 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I'd say that is The Butler's son ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted January 29, 2017 #7 Share Posted January 29, 2017 On 1/27/2017 at 10:05 AM, atalante said: Are you thinking of Zafar in Yemen? http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/buried-christian-empire-in-yemen-casts-new-light-on-early-islam-a-874048.html I think he means Zamfir: Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted January 29, 2017 Author #8 Share Posted January 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Harte said: I think he means Zamfir: Harte Truly a weak attempt at humor - to bed without your dinner and no more food for you all month - until you eat your own leg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted January 29, 2017 #9 Share Posted January 29, 2017 But... but... he's the Master of the Pan Flute! And ... he played on "Kill Bill!" Harte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted January 29, 2017 Author #10 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Harte said: But... but... he's the Master of the Pan Flute! And ... he played on "Kill Bill!" Harte Quiet you and eat your leg in silence as you reflect on what you did wrong - and no you may NOT have some sweet chili sauce to go with it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted January 31, 2017 #11 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I have a copy of an old book I use for very similar purposes to what the OP is asking for called Bibliotecha Classica. It's from 1851, so it's not perfect, but it's usually a good gazetteer of the Classical and early Medieval world. It does not list a "Saphar." Or Zophar, although that's clearly a real place. My instinct would be that it's the same thing as Zophar. English (and most other European languages) does a bad job of recognizing the difference between Zs and Ss, especially in words from outside the IE language family (as I assume a language in the Arabian peninsula would be Semitic). --Jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted January 31, 2017 Author #12 Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 hours ago, jaylemurph said: I have a copy of an old book I use for very similar purposes to what the OP is asking for called Bibliotecha Classica. It's from 1851, so it's not perfect, but it's usually a good gazetteer of the Classical and early Medieval world. It does not list a "Saphar." Or Zophar, although that's clearly a real place. My instinct would be that it's the same thing as Zophar. English (and most other European languages) does a bad job of recognizing the difference between Zs and Ss, especially in words from outside the IE language family (as I assume a language in the Arabian peninsula would be Semitic). --Jaylemurph Yes I would agree the name was probably taken from what he heard Arabic speakers calling i/naming it and you can get some pretty wild spelling from a combination of an Englishman listening to a Hadramaut Arab speaking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingitsune Posted February 1, 2017 #13 Share Posted February 1, 2017 On 1/28/2017 at 8:44 PM, Harte said: I think he means Zamfir: Harte At 1:41, they propose CD, cassette and... LP...? Please, forgive my lack of culture, but what is a LP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spartan Posted February 1, 2017 #14 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) Quote Ẓafār, biblical Sephar, classical Sapphar, or Saphar, ancient Arabian site located southwest of Yarīm in southern Yemen. It was the capital of the Ḥimyarites, a tribe that ruled much of southern Arabia from about 115 bc to about ad 525. Up until the Persian conquest (c. ad 575), Ẓafār was one of the most important and celebrated towns in southern Arabia—a fact attested to not only by Arab geographers and historians but also by Greek and Roman authors. After the extinction of the Ḥimyar kingdom and the rise of Islām, Ẓafār gradually fell into decay https://global.britannica.com/place/Zafar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zafar,_Yemen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himyarite_Kingdom https://www.google.com/maps/place/14°12'41.0"N+44°24'31.0"E/@14.2111416,44.4024414,977m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d14.211389!4d44.408611?hl=en https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Zafar%2C_Yemen¶ms=14_12_41_N_44_24_31_E_type:landmark Edited February 1, 2017 by The_Spartan to add info. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted February 1, 2017 #15 Share Posted February 1, 2017 15 hours ago, Gingitsune said: At 1:41, they propose CD, cassette and... LP...? Please, forgive my lack of culture, but what is a LP? An LP is a Long-Playing* 12" vinyl record album. --Jaylemurph *As opposed to a 45 rpm single or EP (Extended Play), 7" single album 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingitsune Posted February 2, 2017 #16 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, jaylemurph said: An LP is a Long-Playing* 12" vinyl record album. --Jaylemurph *As opposed to a 45 rpm single or EP (Extended Play), 7" single album Thanks! We call them LP "33 tours" as opposed to EP known as "45 tours". Both were out of fashion when I started to get a decent mastery of English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarocal Posted February 2, 2017 #17 Share Posted February 2, 2017 On 1/29/2017 at 1:27 AM, Hanslune said: Truly a weak attempt at humor - to bed without your dinner and no more food for you all month - until you eat your own leg. All you young kids with your newfangled music and modern instruments. No respect for classical instruments which have been entertaining mankind over millenia and required skill to use instead of letting some machine make the sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 6, 2017 #18 Share Posted February 6, 2017 On 1/28/2017 at 7:44 PM, Harte said: I think he means Zamfir: Harte Maybe I was wrong. That would be a first. Perhaps he meant Sapphire: That's her on the right. Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarocal Posted February 6, 2017 #19 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Harte said: Maybe I was wrong. That would be a first. Perhaps he meant Sapphire: That's her on the right. Harte A stone of prosperity, Sapphire sustains life force and attracts joy and peace. Sapphire helps to open the mind to beauty and intuition. ... A stone of spiritual healing and spiritual truth, Blue Sapphire is useful when channeling healing energies from the Angelic Realm or a higher source. https://www.healingcrystals.com/Blue_Sapphire_Articles_59.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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