Still Waters Posted February 3, 2017 #1 Share Posted February 3, 2017 The US House of Representatives has voted to scrap regulations that require background checks for people purchasing guns with mental health issues. The checks, introduced under the Obama administration, are believed to affect an estimated 75,000 people. The bill now needs to the approved by the Senate and signed into law by President Donald Trump. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38853390 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 3, 2017 #2 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) VERY conflicted on this one. On the one hand we dont want people with violent mental illness owning guns. On the other the claim of mental illness has been a tool of dictators from time immemorial so I think dropping the reg is the right thing to do . Edited February 3, 2017 by Farmer77 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted February 3, 2017 #3 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) As a proud gun owner, I do not condone haughty, knee-jerk legislation when it comes to loosening gun laws for those who may suffer from mental illness. I'm with Farmer, I'm highly conflicted with this and will need to think further. I see this becoming one very interesting thread, though! Edited February 3, 2017 by Not Your Huckleberry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatecraft Posted February 3, 2017 #4 Share Posted February 3, 2017 There shouldn't be any background checks at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 3, 2017 #5 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I can't see this back-firing at all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted February 3, 2017 #6 Share Posted February 3, 2017 The problem with this SS gun law is all you have to do to get your gun rights taken away is need someone else to balance your checkbook and pay your bills. Just because you have memory problems doesn't make you dangerous. I think this law is too sweeping. There are already laws against the mentally ill owning guns, which they shouldn't. Quote Though such a ban would keep at least some people who pose a danger to themselves or others from owning guns, the strategy undoubtedly would also include numerous people who may just have a bad memory or difficulty balancing a checkbook, the critics argue. http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-gun-law-20150718-story.html#page=1 Quote Current law prohibits individuals from buying a gun if, because of a mental health issue, they are either a danger to themselves or others or are unable to manage their own affairs. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/01/04/fact-sheet-new-executive-actions-reduce-gun-violence-and-make-our 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted February 3, 2017 #7 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) it may sound like it is a bad thing, removing background checks, it would be in a perfect world, but in our anyone who wants can get gun within days, or within hours if connections are right, and bypass all the laws, we have couple of million active gangsters in usa, all are armed, none passed any checks. what is the point of the laws if people we want to keep guns from, get them easy thru other channels. Edited February 3, 2017 by aztek 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted February 3, 2017 #8 Share Posted February 3, 2017 7 hours ago, hatecraft said: There shouldn't be any background checks at all. because terrorists and criminals should be legally able to buy guns whenever they want? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatecraft Posted February 3, 2017 #9 Share Posted February 3, 2017 39 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: because terrorists and criminals should be legally able to buy guns whenever they want? This is America. Anyone should be able to walk into a 7-11 and buy a machine gun if they so choose...no questions asked. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 4, 2017 #10 Share Posted February 4, 2017 9 hours ago, aztek said: it may sound like it is a bad thing, removing background checks, it would be in a perfect world, but in our anyone who wants can get gun within days, or within hours if connections are right, and bypass all the laws, we have couple of million active gangsters in usa, all are armed, none passed any checks. what is the point of the laws if people we want to keep guns from, get them easy thru other channels. The law was specifically written to combat mass shootings. But it seems you guys really just don't care all that much. Which is horrifying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted February 4, 2017 #11 Share Posted February 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: because terrorists and criminals should be legally able to buy guns whenever they want? They can now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted February 4, 2017 #12 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: The law was specifically written to combat mass shootings. But it seems you guys really just don't care all that much. Which is horrifying. Which mass shooting recently would or could have been prevented by this law? Edited February 4, 2017 by Glockornothing 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 4, 2017 #13 Share Posted February 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Glockornothing said: Which mass shooting recently would or could have been prevented by this law? Why is 'recently' a prerequisite? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted February 4, 2017 #14 Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 minute ago, ExpandMyMind said: Why is 'recently' a prerequisite? Ok which mass shooting past or present here in the states would or could have been prevented by the background checks that are presently on the books or the lefts expanded background check laws they wanted to pass regarding mental illness. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 4, 2017 #15 Share Posted February 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Glockornothing said: Ok which mass shooting past or present here in the states would or could have been prevented by the background checks that are presently on the books or the lefts expanded background check laws they wanted to pass regarding mental illness. Dude, I don't have the time to check that out but I will say that you're the first person I've ever seen on the internet who has even tried to claim that mental health isn't a factor in mass shootings in the US. You do realise that there's a mass shooting, on average, almost every day in the US? It's not just the 'big news' school and public place shootings. Guys over there kill their families really quite often after losing the plot. If you don't know this then I'm not even sure if you should have yet formulated an opinion on the matter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted February 4, 2017 #16 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: Dude, I don't have the time to check that out but I will say that you're the first person I've ever seen on the internet who has even tried to claim that mental health isn't a factor in mass shootings in the US. You do realise that there's a mass shooting, on average, almost every day in the US? It's not just the 'big news' school and public place shootings. Guys over there kill their families really quite often after losing the plot. If you don't know this then I'm not even sure if you should have yet formulated an opinion on the matter. Dude never said mental health wasn't a factor, just said these background checks only work if the mentally ill person tries to buy a weapon, which has not happened in any of the most notable past or recent mass shootings. Which means the law as written does not stop a mentally ill person from performing a mass shooting as history proves, so why keep the law? Maybe it just needs rewritten in a way it can't be abused by the mentally ill, or the person claiming someone is mentally ill. Edited February 4, 2017 by Glockornothing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 4, 2017 #17 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Glockornothing said: Dude never said mental health wasn't a factor, just said these background checks only work if the mentally ill person tries to buy a weapon, which has not happened in any of the most notable past or recent mass shootings. Which means the law as written does not stop a mentally ill person from performing a mass shooting as history proves, so why keep the law? Maybe it just needs rewritten in a way it can't be abused by the mentally ill, or the person claiming someone is mentally ill. You've researched all of these have you? https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2016 Also, if background checks only work if the person is mentally ill then there is literally no down side, using your own reasoning. Edited February 4, 2017 by ExpandMyMind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted February 4, 2017 #18 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just now, ExpandMyMind said: You've researched all of these have you? https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2016 Nope, but our left leaning media would have been all over it and told us all it only happened because some mentally ill person strolled into a gun shop and legally purchased a weapon after passing the background check. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 4, 2017 #19 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) I'm happy with this. We already stigmatized mental illness enough. Just because someone gets the diagnosis of generalized anxiety or depression dosent mean you should not be allowed to defend yourself. A large amount of people have these diagnosis and are good human beings. Edited February 4, 2017 by spartan max2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin11 Posted February 4, 2017 #20 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Gotta love republican logic, "lets ban refugees cause they're scary, but lets give that nice boy down the road that yells at walls a gun." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 4, 2017 #21 Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Odin11 said: Gotta love republican logic, "lets ban refugees cause they're scary, but lets give that nice boy down the road that yells at walls a gun." People having the right to protect themselves is in no way related to refugees. And here we go again someone stigmatizing mental illness acting like they are all crazy killers who scream at walls 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted February 4, 2017 #22 Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Odin11 said: Gotta love republican logic, "lets ban refugees cause they're scary, but lets give that nice boy down the road that yells at walls a gun." The boy down the road who yells at walls doesn't have a history of his people wearing a vest that blows the wall up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 4, 2017 #23 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Glockornothing said: The boy down the road who yells at walls doesn't have a history of his people wearing a vest that blows the wall up. And all muslims do? Also, if we're talking about a person's 'people', it is quite ridiculous to hear an American call out another people on killing. The US has more blood on its hands than any other current regime in the World. You literally dropped a million bombs on Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos and have drones killing innocents almost on a daily basis. **** me man Off-topic but it had to be said. Edited February 4, 2017 by ExpandMyMind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatecraft Posted February 4, 2017 #24 Share Posted February 4, 2017 1 hour ago, ExpandMyMind said: The law was specifically written to combat mass shootings. But it seems you guys really just don't care all that much. Which is horrifying. Freedom is scary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted February 4, 2017 #25 Share Posted February 4, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: And all muslims do? Nope that is why Trump is trying to better vet people from countries that have people who do, as far as the background checks here in the states, there is no check that will predict what an individual will do or is capable of doing in the future, so what good is a check that has no benefit. Edited February 4, 2017 by Glockornothing 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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