taniwha Posted February 11, 2017 #1 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Hi there, I found this interesting maybe you will too... Quote The theory that God became the Universe is a theological doctrine that has been developed several times historically, and that holds that the creator of the universe actually became the universe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_becomes_the_Universe Perhaps God and the Universe are one and the same? Personally I believe it is possible. If you have any further information to enlighten this topic, then please, you are most welcome to post it here. Thank you and have fun 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted February 11, 2017 #2 Share Posted February 11, 2017 The universe is the body of God? That would mean we live in a Living Universe? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted February 11, 2017 #3 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, taniwha said: Hi there, I found this interesting maybe you will too... Perhaps God and the Universe are one and the same? Personally I believe it is possible. If you have any further information to enlighten this topic, then please, you are most welcome to post it here. Thank you and have fun From a Christian perspective, God and the universe are not one and the same because God created the universe. Edited February 11, 2017 by Black Monk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 11, 2017 Author #4 Share Posted February 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Black Monk said: God and the universe are not one and the same because God created the universe. So you think God can create but not become? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted February 11, 2017 #5 Share Posted February 11, 2017 27 minutes ago, Black Monk said: From a Christian perspective, God and the universe are not one and the same because God created the universe. Well, Christians, well most of them, believe God is everywhere, all at once. So maybe God created the universe and then moved in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 11, 2017 Author #6 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Black Monk said: From a Christian perspective... Edited February 11, 2017 by taniwha Technoglitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 11, 2017 Author #7 Share Posted February 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, Black Monk said: From a Christian perspective, God and the universe are not one and the same because God created the universe. Sorry about the hiccup... what is your perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeymic Posted February 11, 2017 #8 Share Posted February 11, 2017 God is every thing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 11, 2017 Author #9 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Like Diechecker said, perhaps God moved in. It wouldn't surprise me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted February 11, 2017 #10 Share Posted February 11, 2017 A human can create clothing and then wear it... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 11, 2017 Author #11 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: The universe is the body of God? That would mean we live in a Living Universe? I think from the link that the theory has changed with the times. But I don't know much about it other than that. It makes reference to pantheism... Quote In this belief system the entire universe and everything within it, is divine ie.God. God is NOT a separate entity. God IS everything literally. This is known as pantheism. I feel the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 11, 2017 Author #12 Share Posted February 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, DieChecker said: A human can create clothing and then wear it... And there's that old saying, "you are what you eat". Gotta love ancient wisdom... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes4747 Posted February 11, 2017 #13 Share Posted February 11, 2017 But then "do we eat what we are?" suppose you had nothing to create that t shirt out of? Perhaps the universe is an ever expanding thought.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted February 11, 2017 #14 Share Posted February 11, 2017 5 hours ago, DieChecker said: The universe is the body of God? That would mean we live in a Living Universe? A living Universe is not a problem for me. The question, becomes is the Universe/God self aware and is it aware of us or is the Universe equal to a cow in a field and we are just a long for the ride? If God/Universe is a living being of which we are a part of wouldn't that make us s sentient part of God, therefore we are also God? Kind of like gut bacteria is a part of us. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 11, 2017 #15 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Qabalah basically holds that everything here is a reflection of the divine. The premise is that there were these 3 types of nothing out of which everything emanated. There was nothing, nothing, and nothing, and then there was something, and the something wanted to know what it was, so it projected itself. There you have it. The answer to the ultimate question. And the answer is about as informative as 42. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 11, 2017 #16 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Errrrmmm .... it is when it is put that ^ way . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 11, 2017 #17 Share Posted February 11, 2017 8 hours ago, taniwha said: I think from the link that the theory has changed with the times. But I don't know much about it other than that. It makes reference to pantheism... I feel the same way. Yes, I am an old time pantheist - questions of ' belief ' aside, it seems to make logical sense . If one does want to 'have' a belief in some type of God, I think it should be all inclusive, and why make the concept different or apart ..... God always seems an assumption on the believers part ... this seems more of a 'position' one holds . . . . a 'construct ' to fit the definition. I am happy with that I also think we have many different concepts that we put under the collective of 'God' , for example my above musings do not address 'creation' , but in that above scenario, it need not . We also may not need to attach philosophical concepts like negative existence, withdrawing , creating .... or personal philosophy / psychologu; individuation , redemption ... or social rites mores and taboos . But some seem to want their concept of God tied into all of that , and that creates complex religions and theologies . So much simpler to ; Q ' And , what is God ? ' A, ( wide sweeping gesture ) ' All of this ' . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 11, 2017 #18 Share Posted February 11, 2017 ... ^ which makes science a very spiritual pursuit . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 11, 2017 #19 Share Posted February 11, 2017 12 hours ago, taniwha said: Hi there, I found this interesting maybe you will too... Perhaps God and the Universe are one and the same? Personally I believe it is possible. If you have any further information to enlighten this topic, then please, you are most welcome to post it here. Thank you and have fun This sounds a lot like the philosophy I subscribe to; Advaita; non-dual (God and creation are not-two) Hinduism. Krishna speaking as the Universal Absolute: I separated Myself from Myself and became all this. I am the seed from which all this material universe sprouted. I see the universe as a creative emanation, a divine play/drama of God/Brahman in which He separates Himself from Himself in Act I and then returns Himself to Himself in Act II. We are striving to again become One with the All. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 12, 2017 Author #20 Share Posted February 12, 2017 21 hours ago, Wes4747 said: Perhaps the universe is an ever expanding thought.. love your way of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 12, 2017 Author #21 Share Posted February 12, 2017 15 hours ago, back to earth said: Yes, I am an old time pantheist - questions of ' belief ' aside, it seems to make logical sense . If one does want to 'have' a belief in some type of God, I think it should be all inclusive, and why make the concept different or apart ..... God always seems an assumption on the believers part ... this seems more of a 'position' one holds . . . . a 'construct ' to fit the definition. I am happy with that I also think we have many different concepts that we put under the collective of 'God' , for example my above musings do not address 'creation' , but in that above scenario, it need not . We also may not need to attach philosophical concepts like negative existence, withdrawing , creating .... or personal philosophy / psychologu; individuation , redemption ... or social rites mores and taboos . But some seem to want their concept of God tied into all of that , and that creates complex religions and theologies . So much simpler to ; Q ' And , what is God ? ' A, ( wide sweeping gesture ) ' All of this ' . I guess I have been a pantheist all along then... Thanks back to earth for the insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 12, 2017 Author #22 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, papageorge1 said: This sounds a lot like the philosophy I subscribe to; Advaita; non-dual (God and creation are not-two) Hinduism. Krishna speaking as the Universal Absolute: I separated Myself from Myself and became all this. I am the seed from which all this material universe sprouted. I see the universe as a creative emanation, a divine play/drama of God/Brahman in which He separates Himself from Himself in Act I and then returns Himself to Himself in Act II. We are striving to again become One with the All. Fascinating. This dual concept I find appealing...deep....enticing even. I am encouraged by creation stories...at the essence is some serious soul searching. There's no doubt, viewing the universe from "higher" dimensions will create in us profound thoughts and connections. Particularly I love your Krishna quotes. Here's some inspired quotes by astronauts you may like... If somebody'd said before the flight, "Are you going to get carried away looking at the earth from the moon?" I would have said, "No, no way." But yet when I first looked back at the earth, standing on the moon, I cried. -Alan Shepard And this: We came all this way to explore the moon, and the most important thing is that we discovered the earth. -William Anders Edited February 12, 2017 by taniwha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted February 12, 2017 Author #23 Share Posted February 12, 2017 21 hours ago, ChaosRose said: Qabalah basically holds that everything here is a reflection of the divine. The premise is that there were these 3 types of nothing out of which everything emanated. There was nothing, nothing, and nothing, and then there was something, and the something wanted to know what it was, so it projected itself. There you have it. The answer to the ultimate question. And the answer is about as informative as 42. The Maori myth of creation has similar flavour to your description of the Qabalah. The three states of the evolution of the universe, or progression of creation are as follows.. Quote Te Kore...energy - potential, the void, nothingness. Te Po...form - the dark, the night. Te Ao-marama... emergence - light and reality, dwelling place of humans. It's really quite colourful in it's entirety. http://maaori.com/whakapapa/creation.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 12, 2017 #24 Share Posted February 12, 2017 22 hours ago, papageorge1 said: This sounds a lot like the philosophy I subscribe to; Advaita; non-dual (God and creation are not-two) Hinduism. Krishna speaking as the Universal Absolute: I separated Myself from Myself and became all this. I am the seed from which all this material universe sprouted. I see the universe as a creative emanation, a divine play/drama of God/Brahman in which He separates Himself from Himself in Act I and then returns Himself to Himself in Act II. We are striving to again become One with the All. So . first up you have a subscription to non-dualism (God and creation are not two ) , yet you immediately quote " I separated Myself from Myself " - which is the seed of classical dualism . The idea here Papa is that there was no separation of God and the Universe, its the same thing ! If I were you, I would stop that subscription (its giving you conflicting info ! ) and get a new one ; http://www.cpp.edu/~jet/subscription.shtml 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 12, 2017 #25 Share Posted February 12, 2017 8 hours ago, taniwha said: The Maori myth of creation has similar flavour to your description of the Qabalah. The three states of the evolution of the universe, or progression of creation are as follows.. It's really quite colourful in it's entirety. http://maaori.com/whakapapa/creation.htm Thank you ! Now if I simplified that even more and made it look stupid and incomprehensible and said it made as much sense as the answer ; '42' .... ...... ............... Those , with insight, can see similar and comparative concepts being formed / discovered in different cultures, one just has to be able to comprehend the specific cultural 'dressing' and expression . One could even compare some of the ancient Egyptian with the Maori (above ) and the thread topic with indigenous Australian beliefs . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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