Frank Merton Posted February 13, 2017 #1 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It begins to look as though Trump's behavior and ignorance of diplomacy is going to put an ultra-left anti-American government into power in Mexico. Happy times. You think Cuba will be a problem? Wait until Mexico stops cooperation on drug smuggling and other matters. The typical American has no idea at all how important Mexico is to US interests, but they may soon learn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarakore Posted February 13, 2017 #2 Share Posted February 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, Frank Merton said: It begins to look as though Trump's behavior and ignorance of diplomacy is going to put an ultra-left anti-American government into power in Mexico. Happy times. You think Cuba will be a problem? Wait until Mexico stops cooperation on drug smuggling and other matters. The typical American has no idea at all how important Mexico is to US interests, but they may soon learn. Not really happy about the Anti-American sentiment but it is understandable. The rest is welcome news and hopefully there will be more balancing there as the ratio of super rich to dirt poor is astounding there. It is a rich country and has enough for all but it is hoarded by the few. Viba Zapata! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted February 13, 2017 Author #3 Share Posted February 13, 2017 37 minutes ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said: Not really happy about the Anti-American sentiment but it is understandable. The rest is welcome news and hopefully there will be more balancing there as the ratio of super rich to dirt poor is astounding there. It is a rich country and has enough for all but it is hoarded by the few. Viba Zapata! Personally I find the prospect of an anti-American government in Mexico to be really scary for the States. Imagine something like Iran or N. Korea getting permission to put missiles there. All kinds of mischief is possible -- Mexico is not a small country -- it has 120 million people -- more than double that of Canada. This is an example of mis-government -- going out and making people who would be fairly neutral into enemies -- and Trump has done it now several times, although not as important as Mexico. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarakore Posted February 13, 2017 #4 Share Posted February 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Frank Merton said: Personally I find the prospect of an anti-American government in Mexico to be really scary for the States. Imagine something like Iran or N. Korea getting permission to put missiles there. All kinds of mischief is possible -- Mexico is not a small country -- it has 120 million people -- more than double that of Canada. This is an example of mis-government -- going out and making people who would be fairly neutral into enemies -- and Trump has done it now several times, although not as important as Mexico. Mexico has no reason to go in business with either of them. Although they can become closer allied to Venezuela and other leftists governments of the Americas. The drug issue could be solved via legalization. Mexico won't be needed then at all. But it is such a moneymaker here to fight drugs it won't happen this generation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted February 13, 2017 #5 Share Posted February 13, 2017 From 2015... "This week’s White House meeting between President Barack Obama and Mexico’s President Enrique Peña Nieto had much symbolism but little substance. The empty speeches, handshakes and promises of mutual support served two embattled leaders eager to use the meeting as a publicity stunt but left nothing in terms of concrete outcomes. Obama highlighted his halfhearted efforts to fix, as he put it, “our broken immigration system” and Peña Nieto desperately tried to appear statesmanlike amid the storm that has arisen from the Sept. 26 student massacre in the state of Guerrero and the accusations of conflicts of interest against him, his wife and his finance minister over homes purchased from a government contractor." http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/1/mexico-pena-nietocorruptionstudentsayotzinapa.html Our Donald was nowhere in sight when that opinion piece by a political journalist was written. Mexico is a Lawless place and the law-abiding Mexican people are sick of it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted February 13, 2017 #6 Share Posted February 13, 2017 If Mexico would govern itself properly... there'd not be talk of any wall, and Mexicans know that. Maybe that is why they are leaning to the Far Left, no? "In 2014, several events contributed to Mexico's drop in the public sector corruption perception index. The most dramatic was the abduction of 43 poor students by corrupt policemen in Iguala, a small town in Guerrero 120 miles from Mexico City. In late September, Mexican federal authorities said that the students were killed and burned in a ditch for many hours. The bodies were so badly charred that only the DNA of one student has been positively identified." http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2014/12/11/mexico-among-the-worlds-most-corrupt-nations-in-2014-new-report-says/#22612e273258 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted February 13, 2017 #7 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Correction and apology: In my first post I said the Opinion Piece I quoted from was by a political journalist when in fact it was written by Irma Eréndira Sandoval, who is.... "a professor at the Institute for Social Research and the director of the Corruption and Transparency Laboratory at the National Autonomous University of Mexico. She is also a fellow at Harvard Law School’s Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics and a visiting professor at Sciences Po in Paris." Sorry, ma'am. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted February 13, 2017 #8 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Oh no! A third world country is mad 'n stuff! Whatever shall we do? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted February 15, 2017 Author #9 Share Posted February 15, 2017 On 2/13/2017 at 10:36 PM, Sweetpumper said: Oh no! A third world country is mad 'n stuff! Whatever shall we do? This is why Americans are seen as "ugly." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted February 15, 2017 Author #10 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Being next to the powerful US, Mexicans have always had a certain envy, just as do Canadians or the Danes and Dutch have regarding Germany. It does no good to exacerbate this, or to blame the Mexicans. It is the US that will pay the price of Mexican non-cooperation, in all sorts of ways. We don't have a Cold War now, so Mexico has really nowhere to turn, but that doesn't mean insulting it and implying its citizens are rapists, etc., does any good. Hate takes time to build but it also takes time to overcome. Mexico is a great and beautiful country, with a lot of wealth. It does no good to try to degrade it because it reacts naturally to slurs and insults from Trump carried out for cheap political purposes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 15, 2017 #11 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Lol let's not act like Mexicos goverments actually ever helped us. Who knowns maybe if their goverments is ult left wing they will clean things up there. Anything they can do to improve themselves will also affect us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted February 15, 2017 #12 Share Posted February 15, 2017 At the end of the day Mexico is still a quasi-failed state. Nothing changes the fact that the various cartels, paramilitary organizations, and highly corrupt local officials control extensive parts of Mexico, especially along the Mexican American border, and that the Mexican federal government only effectively controls part of the country. To put this in perspective Mexico has multiple major cartels with a sum of about 100,000 members, which is slightly smaller then the total military size of Canada or about a quarter of the size of Mexico's entire military. Depending on which source the amount of homicides due just to organized crime is between 56,000 and over 90,000, some even over 100,000 since 2006 with about 1.2 million displaced. Mexico is more or less in a low intensity civil war and proper measures should be taken on the Mexican American border till Mexico can fix its problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted February 15, 2017 #13 Share Posted February 15, 2017 On 13/02/2017 at 8:35 AM, Frank Merton said: Imagine something like Iran or N. Korea getting permission to put missiles there. All kinds of mischief is possible -- Mexico is not a small country -- it has 120 million people -- more than double that of Canada. The idea that Iran or North Korea would be granted permission to place missiles on Mexican soil is comical to say the least. If by some bizarre set of circumstances it did actually happen, I'd imagine the population of Mexico would dwindle pretty rapidly... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthenerON Posted February 15, 2017 #14 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Quote 1 hour ago, Frank Merton said: Being next to the powerful US, Mexicans have always had a certain envy, just as do Canadians or the Danes and Dutch have regarding Germany. Oh please don't think Canadians are envious of the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted February 15, 2017 #15 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) ''He is leading in early polls for the 2018 election, playing on discontent with the country’s economic underperformance and unhappiness with a political class perceived as living in luxury while ordinary Mexicans see salaries stagnate.'' https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/13/andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-mexico-donald-trump Looks to me like Trump isn't really the cause for the rise of this leftist politician. The title of this thread is misleading. Mexicans might actually just be very unhappy with the way their own country is runned. Edited February 15, 2017 by TruthSeeker_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 15, 2017 #16 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frank Merton said: Nice productive discussion Edited February 15, 2017 by Kismit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kismit Posted February 15, 2017 #17 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I agree. Post removed. Highly unproductive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why not Posted February 15, 2017 #18 Share Posted February 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, Kismit said: I agree. Post removed. Highly unproductive. That's Frank for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kismit Posted February 15, 2017 #19 Share Posted February 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, Why not said: That's Frank for you. Not intended as a member roasting opportunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why not Posted February 15, 2017 #20 Share Posted February 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, Kismit said: Not intended as a member roasting opportunity. I understand. And will not reply any further. As I was going to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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