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Xurganmoth

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I live in a city where the only rare times I see a butterfly it's in the park behind my appartment building and they're white common.

Yet, that one day in summer, as I was on my balcony speaking with my brother, a single Vanessa Atalanta (not sure about that but it looks like one in my memory) butterfly descended and came to land on my pajama pants, around 2 weeks after that, my sister's ex started harassing her, which lead to a whole period of danger and procedures which still have consequences months after and will have consequences on my entire life, it is causing us to move from our place, something we wanted to do for a long time but never dared. 
The thing is I am living another period of great changes, I broke out of an unhealthy friendship with a somewhat abusive person and it has turned my life around another time. And again, a Vanessa Atalanta landed right in front of me, as I was walking back to my school library, it came from above to land on the door right in front of me. I'm always fascinated by these encounters, although I do not buy the whole sign thing entirely I have to mention it.

My father told me that my fascination with butterflies was funny because frogs eat butterflies, and my spirit animal is believed by both of us to be the frog.

Do you believe in spirit animals and communication with another realm of consciousness ?
Has any of you ever had experiences of the same kind ?

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Thanks for sharing.

In the entire history of our planet, not a single raindrop has ever fallen in the wrong spot.  There are no accidents to me.  Causation and interaction. 

No leaf was ever an accident.  Nothing is independent.  All is interconnection.  I no longer have much use for the word coincidence.

Synchronicity is a word I embrace, to express the experience of awareness of the interconnectedness of the conditions of life in our direct sphere of inluence. 

Being open and in the present moment, (as we are often forced to be when life brings danger, challenges and harsh conditions) will often trigger glimpses and open up dwelling space in the only time that exists... now.  When we operate from awareness that is open in the now, all manner of synchronicity become like blazing lights, drawing our awareness to signals of the other conditions in action in our sphere of influence.  This drawing action on our conscious mind is the action of intuition, in my experience.

From this we can take action, or not.... we can follow the signs, or ignore them.  Yet they are there.  All conditions of life are connected to all others... there is nothing independent and because we are deeply connected to all life, the signals of synchronicity are ever present and we can cultivate a conscious connection to it. 

Intuition is this action in my life. 

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Thank you for your reply, it was very interesting ! 

I have been using my intuition more and more, simply tuning in, for the small and the big stuff, and it's fascinating to see that trusting it without using your rational faculties provides better results than what you've ever done with days and days of reflexion, it's like finding back what we've tried to recreate in vain, I am still young so I'm far from being present all the time but I have an awesome father as a spiritual guide.

I have read an article on synchronicity once: https://lonerwolf.com/synchronicity/

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6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

I live in a city where the only rare times I see a butterfly it's in the park behind my appartment building and they're white common.

Yet, that one day in summer, as I was on my balcony speaking with my brother, a single Vanessa Atalanta (not sure about that but it looks like one in my memory) butterfly descended and came to land on my pajama pants, around 2 weeks after that, my sister's ex started harassing her, which lead to a whole period of danger and procedures which still have consequences months after and will have consequences on my entire life, it is causing us to move from our place, something we wanted to do for a long time but never dared. 
The thing is I am living another period of great changes, I broke out of an unhealthy friendship with a somewhat abusive person and it has turned my life around another time. And again, a Vanessa Atalanta landed right in front of me, as I was walking back to my school library, it came from above to land on the door right in front of me. I'm always fascinated by these encounters, although I do not buy the whole sign thing entirely I have to mention it.

You dont have to 'buy it entirely '   :)    BUT .....  

1. you probably realise the butterfly is a symbol of change , transformation and regeneration, a process you are needing to go through , even if it is getting away from bad influences and / or moving house. 

2. It may or may not be 'a message from the universe' , it might be just that you noticed it more due to what is happening in your life.

3. Either way it doesnt matter, what is important that you realise the need for change and growth and are going to move towards that. Personally I dont care if it is a 'manifestation of a sign or omen' or a coincidence - things are coming together to show the path ahead , to me that is what is important.

(Aside, I have a bit to do with shamanism - Australian Aboriginal variety , and similar things in the western tradition. I live out in nature and utalize many 'omens' this way , Aboriginal lore is full of them !  My friend always knew when I was coming to visit as (he said )  the ravens would start flying around and cawing at him   ( raven is one of ' my animals ' ) 

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

My father told me that my fascination with butterflies was funny because frogs eat butterflies, and my spirit animal is believed by both of us to be the frog.

I know it seems strange but things like that can go together ; my other animal 'associates' are  Yumbar ( a large carpet snake / rainbow serpent / diamond python ) and Nungun ( goanna - very large lizard ) ... who both eat small birds and their eggs, and the birds will attack them if they can .  Regarding totems ( here in Oz) the same dynamic applies ; I heard of a married couple ( legal, under tribal law) where Mum was a water hen, and Dad a carpet snake - Mum had  dearly loved pet chickens and Dad always wanted to eat them for dinner :D ... it was a family dispute that went on all their lives. Sadly, Mum eventually died, they mourned for a few weeks ... then Dad made roast chicken for dinner .  

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Do you believe in spirit animals and communication with another realm of consciousness ?
Has any of you ever had experiences of the same kind ?

Yep !   :)  

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15 hours ago, back to earth said:

I know it seems strange but things like that can go together ; my other animal 'associates' are  Yumbar ( a large carpet snake / rainbow serpent / diamond python ) and Nungun ( goanna - very large lizard ) ... who both eat small birds and their eggs, and the birds will attack them if they can .  Regarding totems ( here in Oz) the same dynamic applies ; I heard of a married couple ( legal, under tribal law) where Mum was a water hen, and Dad a carpet snake - Mum had  dearly loved pet chickens and Dad always wanted to eat them for dinner :D ... it was a family dispute that went on all their lives. Sadly, Mum eventually died, they mourned for a few weeks ... then Dad made roast chicken for dinner .  

That's an interesting story ! I don't grasp the entire meaning and influence of spirit animals as they are often called, you say 'associates' ? I found out my relation to the frog because of many small 'coincidences' such as having the character who represents my zodiac sign (the ram) from a webcomic that I love a lot turn into a frog, and I felt a lot of connection with that character's issues and interests, (the frog also holds the universe in the webcomic, question of symbolism) I also had a frog dress when I was a small child and I was given a frog plush as a birth present, which I still have and always picked my interest. I was also asked to write a poem about something that mattered to me and chose to write about a swamp where there was a frog (an image I often have in mind), but for some reason these small things meant a lot to me, that and the fact that, being born between the two signs that begin and close the zodiac cycle, the frog representing in some ways new beginnings if I'm not mistaken? I found it quite fitting, I also read that having the frog as a guide was an invitation to reunite with your emotional and maternal side, both that I knew I had to tap into. So I just left it at that and thought that the fact that all of these small things picked my interest was because I had to learn something from the frog, and I could see just exactly what. 

I wonder if these totems also play a role in how people interact with one another then? Because totems would show you what you need to improve on but would you also share caracteristics with them ?

And thanks a lot for your reply it really helps a lot :) I agree with the fact that in the end what matters is that you find the path to walk on, 
(And thanks for your reply on the over thread too, but since it's kinda crowded I'm saying my thanks here, I'll check out the links and think about what you've said !)

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7 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

That's an interesting story ! I don't grasp the entire meaning and influence of spirit animals as they are often called, you say 'associates' ?

Yeah ,   I use a vague term deliberately  ;  in Australia, the term usually used is 'totem animal'  or some use 'spirit animal' ( but that is very tied in with New Age stuff  -  well, here it is ) .  I have a 'metaphysical' interest and study in such things, but also I look into them from the anthropological view, so I understand what a totem is and the complexity of it, how it is connected to person place and birth of an indigenous nature , it rules and regulates, in those societies, a vast amount of things ; what you can eat, who you can marry, where you can hunt , etc . Since I dont have those things , I dont have a totem  so I dont use that word. 

But, many of us notice certain relationships we have with specific types of animals   .   I didnt just 'choose'  the lizard as an associate , like your frog story, it was a long chain of co-incidences, beginning from an early age, and still continuing. 

 

7 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

 

I found out my relation to the frog because of many small 'coincidences' such as having the character who represents my zodiac sign (the ram) from a webcomic that I love a lot turn into a frog, and I felt a lot of connection with that character's issues and interests, (the frog also holds the universe in the webcomic, question of symbolism) I also had a frog dress when I was a small child and I was given a frog plush as a birth present, which I still have and always picked my interest. I was also asked to write a poem about something that mattered to me and chose to write about a swamp where there was a frog (an image I often have in mind), but for some reason these small things meant a lot to me, that and the fact that, being born between the two signs that begin and close the zodiac cycle, the frog representing in some ways new beginnings if I'm not mistaken? I found it quite fitting, I also read that having the frog as a guide was an invitation to reunite with your emotional and maternal side, both that I knew I had to tap into. So I just left it at that and thought that the fact that all of these small things picked my interest was because I had to learn something from the frog, and I could see just exactly what. 

.... just like that  ^   :) 

7 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:


I wonder if these totems also play a role in how people interact with one another then?

They certainly do here with traditional peoples !   They have laws about it , as I said,  even about who you can marry .

7 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Because totems would show you what you need to improve on but would you also share caracteristics with them ?

I think so . I was staying in an aboriginal camp  and this other aboriginal guy from out west turned up .  people were not that keen on him and standoffish ... also he seemed like a bit of a potential trouble maker and he was getting upset about stuff. But for some reason I liked him, I kept sitting next to him and talking to him. Eventually I asked what his totem was and he said  carpet snake . I was "Ohhh great !  I love carpet snakes " and started talking about them.   We  got on good . 

I met another guy and we were were talking about totems and he goes ;  " Oh man , I got this friend, I mean , he is my friend, but I can hardly stand him , his vibe and energy ! Other people won;t eve sit next to him they get up and move .....  he has Tiger Shark as his totem . "

Good LOrd !  I cant imagine being under the totem of a Tiger Shark !  :o

7 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:


And thanks a lot for your reply it really helps a lot :) I agree with the fact that in the end what matters is that you find the path to walk on, 
(And thanks for your reply on the over thread too, but since it's kinda crowded I'm saying my thanks here, I'll check out the links and think about what you've said !)

 

No worries .   :)  

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I had a long chuckle yesterday... just after replying to your post, I shut down the laptop and went into the living room where my wife had just started a documentary called Innsaei.  The diminished role of intuition in a left brain/rationalized culture setting.

https://zeitgeistfilms.com/film/innsaeithepowerofintuition

Innsaei:  The ancient Icelandic word for intuition is “innsæi,” but in Iceland it has multiple meanings. It can mean “the sea within” which is the borderless nature of our inner world, a constantly moving world of vision, feelings and imagination beyond words. It can mean “to see within” which means to know yourself, and to know yourself well enough to be able to put yourself in other people’s shoes. And it can mean “to see from the inside out” which is to have a strong inner compass to navigate your way in our ever-changing world.

 

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14 hours ago, back to earth said:

Yeah ,   I use a vague term deliberately  ;  in Australia, the term usually used is 'totem animal'  or some use 'spirit animal' ( but that is very tied in with New Age stuff  -  well, here it is ) .  I have a 'metaphysical' interest and study in such things, but also I look into them from the anthropological view, so I understand what a totem is and the complexity of it, how it is connected to person place and birth of an indigenous nature , it rules and regulates, in those societies, a vast amount of things ; what you can eat, who you can marry, where you can hunt , etc . Since I dont have those things , I dont have a totem  so I dont use that word. 

It's fascinating because of this complexity but that does make it hard to learn about, and as you said about the man that had Tiger Shark as his totem, it seems really rich too, it wasn't just any type of shark, I guess I'l try to find a book or a documentary :)

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8 hours ago, quiXilver said:

I had a long chuckle yesterday... just after replying to your post, I shut down the laptop and went into the living room where my wife had just started a documentary called Innsaei.  The diminished role of intuition in a left brain/rationalized culture setting.

https://zeitgeistfilms.com/film/innsaeithepowerofintuition

I will definitely watch the documentary thank you :)
 

About our modern society diminishing the role of intuition, it's true, and it's tiring to be in the middle of this, it's exhausting to try to follow up to everyone, but I plan on living as authentically as I can. Is there a correlation between this and the fast pace of society ? When you have something bothering you, you get restless at the thought of solving it this instant, people push things too much to let their intuition kick in, because often intuition does take its time.

I have intimacy issues, I'm a senior in highschool but this has prevented me from getting romantically close to anyone, and I found out it was because I never felt the bonds I could create were authentic, never felt true, even in junior high I never believed in romantic love, I was talking to a male friend of mine I appreciate a lot and he started to show signs of interest in me, it stressed me out, I felt like I needed to make up my mind and figure out how I was supposed to react and what I really wanted, funny how instead of letting things go naturally we feel the need to solve everything this instant.
I also have to choose where I will go next year, which is a great factor of stress and ended up in me planning out my whole life in my mind, which isn't what life's about.
 

7 hours ago, quiXilver said:

Innsaei:  The ancient Icelandic word for intuition is “innsæi,” but in Iceland it has multiple meanings. It can mean “the sea within” which is the borderless nature of our inner world, a constantly moving world of vision, feelings and imagination beyond words. It can mean “to see within” which means to know yourself, and to know yourself well enough to be able to put yourself in other people’s shoes. And it can mean “to see from the inside out” which is to have a strong inner compass to navigate your way in our ever-changing world.

 


Innsaei? It's an interesting concept, lately I feel like the barriers between me and the rest of the universe are really thin, like ghost skin, makes me feel like I'm a jellyfish in the sea, just swimming in, water inside and outside, I feel less material than I did before, a lot calmer too, regardless of any feelings of restlessness I can have, it's not a question of feeling bad or good, just that those feelings have less effect on me because I feel a lot less material, like everything goes right through me, somehow what you said made me think of that.

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8 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

It's fascinating because of this complexity but that does make it hard to learn about, and as you said about the man that had Tiger Shark as his totem, it seems really rich too, it wasn't just any type of shark, I guess I'l try to find a book or a documentary :)

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here us a brief one 

http://www.australianstogether.org.au/stories/detail/indigenous-spirituality

and here is a more informative one ;

http://austhrutime.com/aboriginal_totemism.htm

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I will definitely watch the documentary thank you :)
 

About our modern society diminishing the role of intuition, it's true, and it's tiring to be in the middle of this, it's exhausting to try to follow up to everyone, but I plan on living as authentically as I can. Is there a correlation between this and the fast pace of society ?

I think so . Also, how our learning experiences have been removed from nature , many have become unnatural and very specialised. When we learn in nature, we learn about process es that are transferable to other  problems and issues . We exercise our creativity and imagination.  Specialisation   makes us better at one range of things but not over the broader spectrum. 

years back I read (in Rudolph Steiner's writings)  that man was loosing his natural intelligence , as years have gone by my observations have affirmed this .    It amazes me hat people can visit my place , out in the country ..... they might be computer experts, or University students  and some couldnt even get a fire going long enough to cook a meal ... or even start a fire in the first place .... I mean, thats the basic human skill ! 

And it did become (throughout time) very conscious ..... in the past, the unconscious aspects were more consciously relied on .... if that makes sense .   ..... Ummmmm ....  I'll put it this way ;  intuition  is the process where a mass of information and signals is received into the unconscious, there,  much 'computing' is done on that information and the relevant results that we need to consciously know are released into the conscious mind , since we only get the result and not the process, it seems instant and arriving in a 'flash' of inspiration, insight, warning, etc .  In the past, this process was understood somewhat and there was less of a barrier between the two minds . Now, its more like me on the computer, I havent a clue how the inside works and figures everything out , I just notice what comes up on the screen .

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When you have something bothering you, you get restless at the thought of solving it this instant,

Indeed , instant gratification fix !   A bane on modern society ..... this also isnt natural .   I have been involved in agriculture a bit, and remedial agriculture .... it takes time ... patience . If you look at a long established garden ( or properly set up farm ) you can see it as a whole, it looks totally different from a garden that had  near full grown plants bought in , designed and placed, it seems more artificial .

This is one of th 4 e main principles of  a healthy psyche ;  

1.  Check the internal map .

2.  Delay gratification .

3. Appropriate withholding of truth.

4. Combination of the above .

{ In childhood tests, it was shown that children that have the biggest problem with delaying gratification *  developed more problems in later life ! 

* they left them in a room with a tray of sweets ; you can eat one now and you get no more, or you can wait until I return and you can have all of them ... some kids just could not wait, even though they would have got all of them, they had to have it straight away . )

We live in a very 'instant fix'  gve me now and throw away when finished society   :( 

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people push things too much to let their intuition kick in, because often intuition does take its time.

I think that is very perceptive of you ... many think intuition comes in a flash ! But that is the result, the process can be due to information collated and stored in the unconscious over a life time !  And tests have shown that people are more intuitive in areas of experience and competence  eg ; the most intuitive (at work) nurses were those with the longer experiences in nursing .

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yes, 

I have intimacy issues, I'm a senior in highschool but this has prevented me from getting romantically close to anyone, and I found out it was because I never felt the bonds I could create were authentic, never felt true, even in junior high I never believed in romantic love, I was talking to a male friend of mine I appreciate a lot and he started to show signs of interest in me, it stressed me out, I felt like I needed to make up my mind and figure out how I was supposed to react and what I really wanted, funny how instead of letting things go naturally we feel the need to solve everything this instant.

Isnt it nice when you can chill with someone and not have to worry about all that ? :D   You are at a volatile time, for some, although you seem pretty stable .   Its worse with the boys / men ... talk about instant gratification desire !  

I'm a lot older now, so things have settled  a LOT .   But I have always been a proponent of letting things cruise along and work themselves out.  Also, one thing may not necessarily lead to another ,,, its like we get this map laid out for us that we are supposed to follow, in many situations .   I have never been good at that or fitting into a box ... let it flow along, I say, see where things go.  That way I made lots of friends in different types of relationships and had many nice intimate relationships as well .  There isnt a need to put pressure on each other I feel ... but some people cant seem to help that . I guess its conditioning .

I like what you said above about living authentically  .....   its best to live true to yourself and your needs .

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I also have to choose where I will go next year, which is a great factor of stress and ended up in me planning out my whole life in my mind, which isn't what life's about.

Well, its a plan , its good to have one . It doesnt mean it camt change as life goes along .

My sister is a micro-biologist , she liked that work. A friend of hers had to do some thesis and in it she was supposed to illustrate some rare  and ancient fish, she couldnt draw so asked my sister to do it for her . Later the friend was called in to see the lecturer at University ; " Your thesis is really bad, but the illustrations were excellent ."  She told him the truth and the guy contacted my sister. She ended up getting a job illustrating a book, then  " Oh we need an illustrator with your microbiology qualifications to go out in the field and do some work . "  Since then she  has been all over the world, testing rivers and fish, working in environmental science, loving it .

It took me a while; I had a wide range of topics that seemed all over the place.   Years later I discovered they all came under the umbrella of cultural anthropology . Back then we had free university education in Australia , so I went and enrolled in Anthropology course and several others . I have had so many different jobs in my life,  some people wonder how I fit it all in .... but I just cruised along and it sorta all just 'happened to me '   :)    ( well, after some subtle manipulations ;) ) 

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Innsaei? It's an interesting concept, lately I feel like the barriers between me and the rest of the universe are really thin, like ghost skin, makes me feel like I'm a jellyfish in the sea, just swimming in, water inside and outside, I feel less material than I did before, a lot calmer too, regardless of any feelings of restlessness I can have, it's not a question of feeling bad or good, just that those feelings have less effect on me because I feel a lot less material, like everything goes right through me, somehow what you said made me think of that.

It means you are connected and a part of what is around you, that's a good thing and a lot better than being closed off and alienated . I would recommend getting to a good environment and nature and good companions - if you can connect energetically to good things (  and the good things that YOU want, and not be pressured into other things ) it will be a lot better for you .

Sorry the post was so long ....   but I think you have good ideas and outlook and find you perceptive and intelligent  .....   a healthy   ' Innsaei '   :)   .....   I like that   .   ( a rich  inner world that has no border )  

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16 hours ago, back to earth said:


Thanks for the links they were really instructive ! 

Both speak about a "Dreamtime" ? That's interesting, I had a video game I played as a child where at some point you got to enter the dreamworld because the baker stole your friends dreams, crystallized them and baked them into cakes. Everyone was crazy about the cakes because the girl's dreams where so pure, it was a very interesting game I find is full of symbolism to represent the going from childhood to adulthood (many adult townfolks look like the characters from the painting Anxiety and The Scream by Munch) but what really interested me was the crystallization thing, that somehow you could act on material reality with the psychic and if really the universe is a consciousness it would make sense that it would work this way? I have had many times where I thought I brought things into my life by thinking too much about them, though you can't really control them fully, if that's true then that's the magic many forms of spirituality speak of as the redirection of natural energies.

I also like the concept of Conception Totem in which they link the child's birth not to the moment where he goes out of the womb but when he starts moving inside of it or when the mother realizes she is pregnant, I've thought about this too before when I was thinking about the zodiac and why I would have been considered to have been under the influence of the ram when I had been born at the very beginning of it and was already alive in the womb before and that's when I really was being shaped, even though I haven't paid much attention to the zodiac.
 

16 hours ago, back to earth said:

I think so . Also, how our learning experiences have been removed from nature , many have become unnatural and very specialised. When we learn in nature, we learn about process es that are transferable to other  problems and issues . We exercise our creativity and imagination.  Specialisation   makes us better at one range of things but not over the broader spectrum. 


Oh, my class was given a really good novel to read in literature, it's Les Faux-Monnayeurs by André Gide, the author included some interesting observations of wild life and linked them to human behavior, for exemple he said that he once was watching a tree and noticed how the buds on the end of the branches were the ones that survived the best because it is difficult for birds to eat them since its very unstable so they eat the ones close to the trunk, and the author linked that to how he thought that the members of a family that manage best in society are those that are the most remote from the family (the trunk) and I can see that with my how experience, as someone that is very close to my family it is hard to manage alone when you always have been protected and when you want to constantly be there to protect  your loved ones (words from my psychologist who said I had trouble going to school also because I wished to be there for my mother and brother who both struggle with depressive tendencies)
He also said there was two types of fishes the "euryalins" and the "sténoalins" and one sort which was able to adapt to any environment and the other that can't and he linked that to the hypocrisy of his characters and of mens to fit into society.

I was at my father's place the other time and was holding the small hazel tree he's taking care of in a pot before he goes to re-plant it, and I was looking at a small sprout on the top, I was thinking about how a sprout is so robust yet gentle and looks both kinda humid and dry, close to "perfection", I had to make a remark to my father about how we should always try to keep our posture to be like a sprout, since posture is closely linked to your mental I guess ? It's hard to keep a straight posture and be relaxed at the same time, but the sprout does it perfectly. Kind of like a tree looks both strong and calm and we can try to mentaly ressemble it.
 

16 hours ago, back to earth said:

 It amazes me hat people can visit my place , out in the country ..... they might be computer experts, or University students  and some couldnt even get a fire going long enough to cook a meal ... or even start a fire in the first place .... I mean, thats the basic human skill ! 

My father keeps stressing out how he needs to take me out to learn how to make a fire, I hope we'll find a moment soon, I agree, it's important to me to be able to manage in nature and be independant.
 

16 hours ago, back to earth said:

We live in a very 'instant fix'  gve me now and throw away when finished society   :( 

Right, I was, (again) over at my father's and he had so much stuff on his table, no matter where you go there's just so much stuff everywhere, and I say stuff deliberately that's really all it is, we completely lost the value of things, we have so much and we're so afraid of being without nothing (because as you said before we can't do anything by ourselves anymore) that we need to secure ourselves like that, no wonder we produce so much. You go to the grocery store and they have an entire row filled with potato chip bags ? And there's plants that produce it, and people really put their time and effort to mass produce potato chips, it blows my mind, everything ends up blowing your mind, the worst is its been going on for so long, overproduction isn't all the recent as I once thought, I read Marx's Communist Manifesto and when was it written? 1870 something ? It already spoke about overproduction. Straying from a local economy was also a big mistake, how long do we plan and keeping peace in the world by making the countries interdependant? (forgetting the whole profit thing behind it) Peace shouldn't need blackmailing.

By the way, regarding grocery stores, I have a wiccan friend who really loves grapes, and she told me about how everytime she went to the grocery store she's annoyed to see grapes when it's not the season, we don't even eat seasonal products anymore, and everything we eat is filled with pesticides.
 

16 hours ago, back to earth said:

This is one of th 4 e main principles of  a healthy psyche ;  

1.  Check the internal map .

2.  Delay gratification .

3. Appropriate withholding of truth.

4. Combination of the above .


Back when my sister was actively harrassed by her ex, we came to the worst ideas ever, like, finding a way to get rid of him as quickly as possible because he was really dangerous, and I really don't know what would have happened if we weren't able to cool down and wait for the situation to unfold with the patience that we had, instant gratification can truly have disastrous consequences.
 

16 hours ago, back to earth said:

It took me a while; I had a wide range of topics that seemed all over the place.   Years later I discovered they all came under the umbrella of cultural anthropology . Back then we had free university education in Australia , so I went and enrolled in Anthropology course and several others . I have had so many different jobs in my life,  some people wonder how I fit it all in .... but I just cruised along and it sorta all just 'happened to me '   :)    ( well, after some subtle manipulations ;) ) 

What you said about you and your sister's experience was really helpful, I need to remember that I'm not caged, I relate to having a whole lots of interests which is what's confusing to me, plus the need that I feel to find a calm environment, I'll probably go into Art History studies, if I feel it's not right I switch path the year after but it won't be lost time, the carrier counselor told me it was a good strategy to go into Art History first and then change direction to go into a more specific thing and broaden my knowledge :)

16 hours ago, back to earth said:

Isnt it nice when you can chill with someone and not have to worry about all that ? :D   You are at a volatile time, for some, although you seem pretty stable .   Its worse with the boys / men ... talk about instant gratification desire !  

It is indeed ! :D The hormones are a pain, trying to cope with what I want on that side and the fact that I can't be close to someone easily is a little bit hard sometimes but I've got comradship all around me and that's wonderful, my classmates are sweethearts (they have their flaws but I love them), the thing is loving everyone it ends up being difficult to form a special bond, friendship or relationship wise.
My friends don't always understand that the fact that I'm not attached to them or do not miss them much doesn't mean I don't like them too, but the affection I feel towards other people is just here and it doesn't need much but their hapiness, so if they need me I'm here but if they don't want to see me it doesn't matter, I could even like someone who hates me, and the only thing I'd do is I won't show it to them much because I don't want to annoy them, although being a chill person and pretty discreet I don't have much conflict, it's just that the way everyone handles love is a bit strange? I see it as a state of being and openess to everything.

 

16 hours ago, back to earth said:

I'm a lot older now, so things have settled  a LOT .   But I have always been a proponent of letting things cruise along and work themselves out.  Also, one thing may not necessarily lead to another ,,, its like we get this map laid out for us that we are supposed to follow, in many situations .   I have never been good at that or fitting into a box ... let it flow along, I say, see where things go.  That way I made lots of friends in different types of relationships and had many nice intimate relationships as well .  There isnt a need to put pressure on each other I feel ... but some people cant seem to help that . I guess its conditioning .

I like what you said above about living authentically  .....   its best to live true to yourself and your needs

Have you ever felt like some things, how do I say, strained from the original laid out path? And not in a good way ? Because I had that once with a boy, no matter how much I talked to him I kept thinking how he felt like a stranger and that somehow we never should have crossed paths ? We had a pretty weird relationship that didn't last long, he was quite of a marginal too, with specific issues and thoughts, truly he fascinated me for a moment, but I wasn't able to get close to him again because of intimacy issues and since he got attached so I had to break all contact and it felt like I got right back on track, this whole episode felt like a weird anomaly in space and time, really weird feeling, like we didn't belong in the same world.


 

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16 hours ago, back to earth said:

It means you are connected and a part of what is around you, that's a good thing and a lot better than being closed off and alienated . I would recommend getting to a good environment and nature and good companions - if you can connect energetically to good things (  and the good things that YOU want, and not be pressured into other things ) it will be a lot better for you .

Sorry the post was so long ....   but I think you have good ideas and outlook and find you perceptive and intelligent  .....   a healthy   ' Innsaei '   :)   .....   I like that   .   ( a rich  inner world that has no border )  

(What did I just do with my keyboard, nevermind I'm sorry ! )

That's the most important thing to me at this moment, finding a great place to live with people I care about, but I know it will come in time and I for now have to keep walking slowly, I'd like to travel a little, I'd love to go to Wales and if things go this way I wouldn't mind living there at all.

I'm glad you think this I don't even know what to say, and please don't apologize for the long post !  I really am grateful for the fact that you take the time to reply nicely and share your experience, also give me good advices and things to work with, I really appreciate it, it took a time for me to be kinda healthy as you say, I used to get headaches thinking about how big the universe was and sometimes scratch my arms because I wanted to get out of my body, but that was last year, and now I don't feel trapped anymore :)

Thanks a lot :D

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Thanks for the links they were really instructive ! 

Both speak about a "Dreamtime" ? That's interesting, I had a video game I played as a child where at some point you got to enter the dreamworld because the baker stole your friends dreams, crystallized them and baked them into cakes. Everyone was crazy about the cakes because the girl's dreams where so pure, it was a very interesting game I find is full of symbolism to represent the going from childhood to adulthood (many adult townfolks look like the characters from the painting Anxiety and The Scream by Munch) but what really interested me was the crystallization thing, that somehow you could act on material reality with the psychic and if really the universe is a consciousness it would make sense that it would work this way? I have had many times where I thought I brought things into my life by thinking too much about them, though you can't really control them fully, if that's true then that's the magic many forms of spirituality speak of as the redirection of natural energies.

I also like the concept of Conception Totem in which they link the child's birth not to the moment where he goes out of the womb but when he starts moving inside of it or when the mother realizes she is pregnant, I've thought about this too before when I was thinking about the zodiac and why I would have been considered to have been under the influence of the ram when I had been born at the very beginning of it and was already alive in the womb before and that's when I really was being shaped, even though I haven't paid much attention to the zodiac.
 

Aha  ! ... the Ram  .... see below    '  Ms  Goaty '   :) 

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:


Oh, my class was given a really good novel to read in literature, it's Les Faux-Monnayeurs by André Gide, the author included some interesting observations of wild life and linked them to human behavior, for exemple he said that he once was watching a tree and noticed how the buds on the end of the branches were the ones that survived the best because it is difficult for birds to eat them since its very unstable so they eat the ones close to the trunk, and the author linked that to how he thought that the members of a family that manage best in society are those that are the most remote from the family (the trunk) and I can see that with my how experience, as someone that is very close to my family it is hard to manage alone when you always have been protected and when you want to constantly be there to protect  your loved ones (words from my psychologist who said I had trouble going to school also because I wished to be there for my mother and brother who both struggle with depressive tendencies)

Ooooo ... ' family '  now there is a trigger ..... it can be the greatest boon or bane in one's life ..... sometimes both at the same time ! 

 

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

 


He also said there was two types of fishes the "euryalins" and the "sténoalins" and one sort which was able to adapt to any environment and the other that can't and he linked that to the hypocrisy of his characters and of mens to fit into society.

I was at my father's place the other time and was holding the small hazel tree he's taking care of in a pot before he goes to re-plant it, and I was looking at a small sprout on the top, I was thinking about how a sprout is so robust yet gentle and looks both kinda humid and dry, close to "perfection", I had to make a remark to my father about how we should always try to keep our posture to be like a sprout, since posture is closely linked to your mental I guess ? It's hard to keep a straight posture and be relaxed at the same time, but the sprout does it perfectly. Kind of like a tree looks both strong and calm and we can try to mentaly ressemble it.
 

My father keeps stressing out how he needs to take me out to learn how to make a fire, I hope we'll find a moment soon, I agree, it's important to me to be able to manage in nature and be independant.

Surely you have lit a fire before ?    I was referring to people, who, even using a cigarette lighter dont seem to realise you need small pieces to catch alight first so they will burn the bigger pieces ... and the wood needs to be not wet .  AND  I was refering to my fellow countrymen .....  in Australia ... supposedly the home of the great outdoor BBQ !   What ?  They all got electric BBQ now   :D  ? 

 

Hmmmmm ....  maybe not, as I think about it   -    I was corresponding  with a woman in Russia,  I sent her a picture of where I live and she sent one back of where she lived ; in the photo were masses of giant apartment blocks, one had an ' x ' drawn over it and on that one, out of the hundreds of little concrete boxes  stuck together, one had an  x on that ... that was where she lived . That sorta stuff scares me !   ....   I guess she had never made a  fire .

I do realise I have it very good and have become 'spoiled ' . 

 

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:


 

Right, I was, (again) over at my father's and he had so much stuff on his table, no matter where you go there's just so much stuff everywhere, and I say stuff deliberately that's really all it is, we completely lost the value of things, we have so much and we're so afraid of being without nothing (because as you said before we can't do anything by ourselves anymore) that we need to secure ourselves like that, no wonder we produce so much.

My dream is to get my cabin austere , bare nearly .... I like that, but then inevitably, it starts fulling up with stuff that I collect like a Bower Bird     :D  

I'll have this ... and this   

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until eventually 

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Then I clean it all out and start again .    

 

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

 

 You go to the grocery store and they have an entire row filled with potato chip bags ?

and .... 

 

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6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

 

And there's plants that produce it, and people really put their time and effort to mass produce potato chips, it blows my mind, everything ends up blowing your mind, the worst is its been going on for so long, overproduction isn't all the recent as I once thought, I read Marx's Communist Manifesto and when was it written? 1870 something ? It already spoke about overproduction. Straying from a local economy was also a big mistake, how long do we plan and keeping peace in the world by making the countries interdependant? (forgetting the whole profit thing behind it) Peace shouldn't need blackmailing.

By the way, regarding grocery stores, I have a wiccan friend who really loves grapes, and she told me about how everytime she went to the grocery store she's annoyed to see grapes when it's not the season, we don't even eat seasonal products anymore, and everything we eat is filled with pesticides.

Yeah .... even in season the supermarket here slips in fruit from last years cold storage ... it doesnt even smell, it doesnt ripen properly and usually rots from the inside out while  the outside looks fine.   But if the fruit ( say,, at the moment , nectarines )  isnt cold to the touch, smells like a nectarine  and is not totally hard, it ripens at home and is delicious .  Do they really expect us not to be able to tell ?   I guess so, as all that bad fruit seems to be bought by someone . 

i normally grow a bit of my own  food and I live on an organic property , we also have a range of exotic and native sub tropical fruit  and nut trees   and we used to have a running tofu and tempeh plant and small  bean sprout business .   Also  I  used to work as chef,  I have been surprised what some people will eat and not seem to notice the difference . 

But being French I am guessing you understand the importance of  good food .....  then again,  if you live in a large city , I guess they are all pretty much the same ? 

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Back when my sister was actively harrassed by her ex, we came to the worst ideas ever, like, finding a way to get rid of him as quickly as possible because he was really dangerous, and I really don't know what would have happened if we weren't able to cool down and wait for the situation to unfold with the patience that we had, instant gratification can truly have disastrous consequences.

Oh yeah !   I used to teach year 10 at local Steiner School.  They told me about this guy that was trying to give the kids free heroin to make new customers for himself .    <_<    I  decided to put an end to it directly and personally , without bringing the authorities into it  ( ummmm ,  enough said  ....  just me, a dark night and iron bar )  we worked out who he was ; his usual clothes,  short, gnomy looking sharp nose, long brown hair , drove on old white van , had a young girl friend with a baby , etc etc . 

Then before I put my nasty plan into action, I was having a coffee in town with two of my students I ran into and there was the guy across the road !  And I  " There is that guy ! "  and they "No , Thats not him . "    ...... Me ; "But that is the guy that drives a white van, looks like that and that guy has a young gf with a little baby  ... "

" Maybe ,,, but thats not the guy . "     Yoiks !  That was a wake up call !  

 

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

What you said about you and your sister's experience was really helpful, I need to remember that I'm not caged, I relate to having a whole lots of interests which is what's confusing to me, plus the need that I feel to find a calm environment, I'll probably go into Art History studies, if I feel it's not right I switch path the year after but it won't be lost time, the carrier counselor told me it was a good strategy to go into Art History first and then change direction to go into a more specific thing and broaden my knowledge :)

It is indeed ! :D The hormones are a pain, trying to cope with what I want on that side and the fact that I can't be close to someone easily is a little bit hard sometimes but I've got comradship all around me and that's wonderful, my classmates are sweethearts (they have their flaws but I love them), the thing is loving everyone it ends up being difficult to form a special bond, friendship or relationship wise.
My friends don't always understand that the fact that I'm not attached to them or do not miss them much doesn't mean I don't like them too, but the affection I feel towards other people is just here and it doesn't need much but their hapiness, so if they need me I'm here but if they don't want to see me it doesn't matter, I could even like someone who hates me, and the only thing I'd do is I won't show it to them much because I don't want to annoy them, although being a chill person and pretty discreet I don't have much conflict, it's just that the way everyone handles love is a bit strange? I see it as a state of being and openess to everything.

I so related to that when I read it !     hence my above 'goaty comment '     .   I am born in the Year of the Goat ... and so many things I have read about it I can relate to .  Goats are like that . I have also had a little to do with real goats and observed their behaviour , they arent like sheep at all and , although they like a 'collective' . in their natural state, tend not to herd but disperse .

Dont crowd me in man ... I wanna be free to clamber up to the highest rocks or down by the stream , happy to be myself .  Every so often I will look up  ; "Where is everybody ?  ...  Oh, there is goat  way up there  on the rocks , one over there in the meadow, another  further downstream  ... cool . "   

But  later   "Where is everybody  ... gone !  "   I will race around until I find where the other goats are , then settle into my own patch and go about ignoring them again  :)  

Put me in a crowd like a sheep herd  and I am libel to go nuts and act VERY different ,   nowadays I am happy to be hermit goat  .

 

6 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Have you ever felt like some things, how do I say, strained from the original laid out path? And not in a good way ? Because I had that once with a boy, no matter how much I talked to him I kept thinking how he felt like a stranger and that somehow we never should have crossed paths ? We had a pretty weird relationship that didn't last long, he was quite of a marginal too, with specific issues and thoughts, truly he fascinated me for a moment, but I wasn't able to get close to him again because of intimacy issues and since he got attached so I had to break all contact and it felt like I got right back on track, this whole episode felt like a weird anomaly in space and time, really weird feeling, like we didn't belong in the same world.

Yeah, some people, I want nothing to do with .   yet at times, we seem to need to take little forays off the path , thats okay for experiments and curiosity , just remember the way back to you path .   And dont do anything down those side paths that can have long lasting attachments  repercussions !  

 

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(What did I just do with my keyboard, nevermind I'm sorry ! )

That's the most important thing to me at this moment, finding a great place to live with people I care about, but I know it will come in time and I for now have to keep walking slowly, I'd like to travel a little, I'd love to go to Wales and if things go this way I wouldn't mind living there at all.

Keep on it !   Just the other day, I was having a pleasant peaceful moment at home, and it hit me !   THis is exactly like a poem I wrote in my youth !   What I described in that poem, I am living now.  At first it seemed like magic and some 'dream come true ' ... a premonition poem ?  .... but then I thought more on it  .....  " Ya idiot !  "    ... what actually happened was, the things in that poem were my dream lifestyle and over my life, one way or another I was able to manifest it .  I did it both consciously and unconsciously . 

Chase your dreams , not money, not power over others,  go for the thing directly , not the money to buy it  ... well, anyway,  thats what worked for me .  

7 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

I'm glad you think this I don't even know what to say, and please don't apologize for the long post !  I really am grateful for the fact that you take the time to reply nicely and share your experience, also give me good advices and things to work with, I really appreciate it, it took a time for me to be kinda healthy as you say, I used to get headaches thinking about how big the universe was and sometimes scratch my arms because I wanted to get out of my body, but that was last year, and now I don't feel trapped anymore :)

Thanks a lot :D

My pleasure, I enjoy writing to and reading from you .   You seem smart and perceptive .   The trapped feeling will dissipate more as you move more into your next phase of life where your own choices dictate more about the path you travel .  

If  any body scratchy feelings return I would suggest taking up something that helps you realise and train your body as  a vehicle to help you 'get out there ' and do and achieve some things you may have not thought you could .... like   yoga, martial arts , aikido, etc . 

I found stuff like that very helpful . 

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41 minutes ago, back to earth said:

    I used to teach year 10 at local Steiner School.   

Of course you did.   

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?    why  'of course'  ??? 

I started off  ......   of course  .....   ;) ...    being aid $20 per hour taking them to the river for a swim    now there is a job !  

Sit on a rock .... dive in , swim, get out,  sunbake  .  Now and then    ;  "Oi !  Dont do that ! "   or   " Yeah, thats fine , go ahead." ....  and the occasional head count  .... :)  

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11 hours ago, back to earth said:

Ooooo ... ' family '  now there is a trigger ..... it can be the greatest boon or bane in one's life ..... sometimes both at the same time ! 

It is both, if it weren't for our strong bonds we wouldn't have been able to grow through the tough stuff we met, I truly feel blessed family-wise, although family isn't necessarily blood related.

11 hours ago, back to earth said:

Surely you have lit a fire before ?    I was referring to people, who, even using a cigarette lighter dont seem to realise you need small pieces to catch alight first so they will burn the bigger pieces ... and the wood needs to be not wet .  AND  I was refering to my fellow countrymen .....  in Australia ... supposedly the home of the great outdoor BBQ !   What ?  They all got electric BBQ now   :D  ? 

True ! Oh they've got electric everything, they've got dishwashers, and electric kettles, vacuums (I hate the sound of that thing) etc etc... And the toilets are... why? And Japan did even worse...
One of the main reasons my father stressed out us going outside the country and doing some basic survival was because he said if something went wrong with electricity we'd be done for, that and the fact that he wants to live away from everything. He's currently trying to get plants to make essential oils but since he can't go out much especially in winter it's not as easy.

Also can't birch be used even when it's moist ? Or did I just made that up

11 hours ago, back to earth said:

Hmmmmm ....  maybe not, as I think about it   -    I was corresponding  with a woman in Russia,  I sent her a picture of where I live and she sent one back of where she lived ; in the photo were masses of giant apartment blocks, one had an ' x ' drawn over it and on that one, out of the hundreds of little concrete boxes  stuck together, one had an  x on that ... that was where she lived . That sorta stuff scares me !   ....   I guess she had never made a  fire .

I do realise I have it very good and have become 'spoiled ' . 

Makes me think of those Marble Hornets videos where they see this weird circled "x" written on the walls, and then Slendeman appears and stuff hapens.
But anyways that is not a very agreable setting to live in, few cities are in fact.

That kind of spoiled is good, I was talking to my uncle and my sister yesterday and my uncle found it was ridiculous how a soccer player could have so much money (in France it's the most popular sport you always have it on tv) and my sister said that it was normal since the soccer industry gathered so much money and how it went to the club owners and all that... I agree the system is wrong but, shouldn't we focus also on how the people that receive this much money find it perfectly ok to keep it and use it on material possessions? My sister answered that it was normal and that if she received 3 millions tomorrow she would use them but... I couldn't agree less I mean I'd be happy it fell in my hands because I'd know I try to give it carefully but other than that, I wouldn't use it (except to get a very small house and get some plane tickets)
 

11 hours ago, back to earth said:

My dream is to get my cabin austere , bare nearly .... I like that, but then inevitably, it starts fulling up with stuff that I collect like a Bower Bird     :D 

Oh !  I tend to do that too, when I go out, sometimes you've got feathers on the ground in the park or hazelnuts and I pick them up and keep them in my bedroom.

These pictures are adorable

11 hours ago, back to earth said:

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Yes exactly, we actualy have a cat living with us, but I find it kinda sad, I think when I get to a place to myself I like I'll just leave some of my food out for the strays if I see some that are skinny, they've become domesticated but it doesn't mean we have to trap them and act as if they were our property. Although "our" cat has got trauma from when he was a kitten and gets anxious and stressed easily at any small noise so it makes me feel less guilty to have him here, we used to live with one that was a real warrior and took him to some of our friends home in the country side where we visited him, there he was free and could chase all he wanted, still I've turned the question over and ended up thinking that having a place where the strays could come whenever they wanted was better.

11 hours ago, back to earth said:

Yeah .... even in season the supermarket here slips in fruit from last years cold storage ... it doesnt even smell, it doesnt ripen properly and usually rots from the inside out while  the outside looks fine.   But if the fruit ( say,, at the moment , nectarines )  isnt cold to the touch, smells like a nectarine  and is not totally hard, it ripens at home and is delicious .  Do they really expect us not to be able to tell ?   I guess so, as all that bad fruit seems to be bought by someone . 

i normally grow a bit of my own  food and I live on an organic property , we also have a range of exotic and native sub tropical fruit  and nut trees   and we used to have a running tofu and tempeh plant and small  bean sprout business .   Also  I  used to work as chef,  I have been surprised what some people will eat and not seem to notice the difference . 

But being French I am guessing you understand the importance of  good food .....  then again,  if you live in a large city , I guess they are all pretty much the same ? 

Oh we're so used to it of course they expect us not to tell, my father showed me a video of a modern alchemist and he was talking about this but I can't remember it properly, about fruits and vegetables loosing all their properties and the alchemist was talking about how the "spirit" or the alive matter in the consumable went out and, I need to find back that video.

I wish we'd all grow our own food but it doesn't seem to be the case any time soon.

We have so many culinary shows and press coverages on local specialties so culturaly yes but... yea, I live in a middle-sized town I'd say, 1-2h from Paris, our cathedrale is pretty famous, it's asymetrical, some areas are cute and some are modernized. We might talk about good food but most people just buy anything in gorcery stores because the organic food and the localy produced are pretty expensive, young people still get junk food all the time and 20-30 somethings girls buy all those organic cosmetics but in the end, it's more for the appearance, although our eating habits do seem to change slowly.

 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

Oh yeah !   I used to teach year 10 at local Steiner School.  They told me about this guy that was trying to give the kids free heroin to make new customers for himself .    <_<    I  decided to put an end to it directly and personally , without bringing the authorities into it  ( ummmm ,  enough said  ....  just me, a dark night and iron bar )  we worked out who he was ; his usual clothes,  short, gnomy looking sharp nose, long brown hair , drove on old white van , had a young girl friend with a baby , etc etc . 

Then before I put my nasty plan into action, I was having a coffee in town with two of my students I ran into and there was the guy across the road !  And I  " There is that guy ! "  and they "No , Thats not him . "    ...... Me ; "But that is the guy that drives a white van, looks like that and that guy has a young gf with a little baby  ... "

" Maybe ,,, but thats not the guy . "     Yoiks !  That was a wake up call !  

 

Yes ! I get the urge to not get the authorities involved, because it takes a real long time to get them to move, we had witnesses that saw him try to kidnap her but they still didn't move an inch, you really have got to be patient and calm.
 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

I so related to that when I read it !     hence my above 'goaty comment '     .   I am born in the Year of the Goat ... and so many things I have read about it I can relate to .  Goats are like that . I have also had a little to do with real goats and observed their behaviour , they arent like sheep at all and , although they like a 'collective' . in their natural state, tend not to herd but disperse .

Dont crowd me in man ... I wanna be free to clamber up to the highest rocks or down by the stream , happy to be myself .  Every so often I will look up  ; "Where is everybody ?  ...  Oh, there is goat  way up there  on the rocks , one over there in the meadow, another  further downstream  ... cool . "   

But  later   "Where is everybody  ... gone !  "   I will race around until I find where the other goats are , then settle into my own patch and go about ignoring them again  :)  

Put me in a crowd like a sheep herd  and I am libel to go nuts and act VERY different ,   nowadays I am happy to be hermit goat  .

That's it exactly haha being close in distance, I liked the Oh there's a goat over there so it's nice, that's exactly how it is.
Regarding relationships there's also something else, whenever you get with other people they always want to talk about how things go and if they have nothing to say they get frustrated and scared, I have a friend who always stresses out when she has nothing to tell me and I have to tell her that its bound to be like that and that it's not what the relationship really is about. I like to enjoy someone's presence just for what it is, I remember spending a night with the kinda abusive friend I had last year and I got all excited because it was the full moon so I hurried her to the balcony and we just sat there staring at it, although she got restless pretty quickly. I also really like just watching the clouds pass and I haven't found someone I could do it with yet. When I go see my father sometimes none of us speak and we just do whatever we want separatedly, so I'll be drawing and he'll be on the computer browsing whatever.
I think of the frog when I think of not being caged, it breathes through its skin so you can't hold it in your hands, and it's got tiny lungs so it won't handle it long.
 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

Yeah, some people, I want nothing to do with .   yet at times, we seem to need to take little forays off the path , thats okay for experiments and curiosity , just remember the way back to you path .   And dont do anything down those side paths that can have long lasting attachments  repercussions !  

Alright ! :)
 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

Keep on it !   Just the other day, I was having a pleasant peaceful moment at home, and it hit me !   THis is exactly like a poem I wrote in my youth !   What I described in that poem, I am living now.  At first it seemed like magic and some 'dream come true ' ... a premonition poem ?  .... but then I thought more on it  .....  " Ya idiot !  "    ... what actually happened was, the things in that poem were my dream lifestyle and over my life, one way or another I was able to manifest it .  I did it both consciously and unconsciously . 

Chase your dreams , not money, not power over others,  go for the thing directly , not the money to buy it  ... well, anyway,  thats what worked for me .

Oh I really want that ! I had another video game I really loved on my ds when I was a kid it was Harvest Moon, and you just had to take care of your crops and you lived in a small valley in the country side and since I didn't have many crops to take care of I could just chill in the valley like near the ponds or go to the inn, since then I've always dreamed of finding a place like it, I've wrote it down many times.

Once again the power of thoughts.
 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

My pleasure, I enjoy writing to and reading from you .   You seem smart and perceptive .   The trapped feeling will dissipate more as you move more into your next phase of life where your own choices dictate more about the path you travel .  

If  any body scratchy feelings return I would suggest taking up something that helps you realise and train your body as  a vehicle to help you 'get out there ' and do and achieve some things you may have not thought you could .... like   yoga, martial arts , aikido, etc . 

I found stuff like that very helpful . 

So do I, just like my literature teacher from last year told me, I'm on rails right now but I'll be more free afterwards.

Hum, I'll ask my father for that (again) he used to practive aikido when he was younger and he still does some moves.

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It is both, if it weren't for our strong bonds we wouldn't have been able to grow through the tough stuff we met, I truly feel blessed family-wise, although family isn't necessarily blood related.

True ! Oh they've got electric everything, they've got dishwashers, and electric kettles, vacuums (I hate the sound of that thing) etc etc... And the toilets are... why? And Japan did even worse...
One of the main reasons my father stressed out us going outside the country and doing some basic survival was because he said if something went wrong with electricity we'd be done for, that and the fact that he wants to live away from everything. He's currently trying to get plants to make essential oils but since he can't go out much especially in winter it's not as easy.

Your father sounds like a cool guy :)  

I dont have connection to mains electricity, I have solar panel  and candles for lighting , music and recharging phone and lap top, gas for cooking, wood for heating and cooking in winter .   The big issue is a  refrigeration , gas fridge is v.expensive and unreliable , electric fridge is cheap and easy but uses a lot of electricity . 

But its great not to get an electricity bill or have to deal with a supplier .

 

10 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:



Also can't birch be used even when it's moist ? Or did I just made that up

Maybe , in those strange trees  they have overseas   :)    I was surprised at this, saw a doco of some guys in the snow, sunset and they had not set their camp up yet , I thought ; they gonna die !  But they threw all these green pine branches into a hollow on top of the snow and lit them and started a roaring fire . I had not thought that possible ! 

Si I could excuse a Euro for that ... but not an Aussie ...  oh wait .... maybe the Aussies thought green wood would burn becasue they only leant about survival from Euro tv shows  ?   :D      ... that would not surprise me .

10 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Makes me think of those Marble Hornets videos where they see this weird circled "x" written on the walls, and then Slendeman appears and stuff hapens.
But anyways that is not a very agreable setting to live in, few cities are in fact.

That kind of spoiled is good, I was talking to my uncle and my sister yesterday and my uncle found it was ridiculous how a soccer player could have so much money (in France it's the most popular sport you always have it on tv) and my sister said that it was normal since the soccer industry gathered so much money and how it went to the club owners and all that... I agree the system is wrong but, shouldn't we focus also on how the people that receive this much money find it perfectly ok to keep it and use it on material possessions? My sister answered that it was normal and that if she received 3 millions tomorrow she would use them but... I couldn't agree less I mean I'd be happy it fell in my hands because I'd know I try to give it carefully but other than that, I wouldn't use it (except to get a very small house and get some plane tickets)
 

Oh !  I tend to do that too, when I go out, sometimes you've got feathers on the ground in the park or hazelnuts and I pick them up and keep them in my bedroom.

These pictures are adorable

Yes exactly, we actualy have a cat living with us, but I find it kinda sad, I think when I get to a place to myself I like I'll just leave some of my food out for the strays if I see some that are skinny, they've become domesticated but it doesn't mean we have to trap them and act as if they were our property.

I have some  ' feral pets ' some native animals that hang around and have got used to me , I can  go away and leave them and it doesnt matter. 

I put food and water out for them . Some times the birds make a lot of noise and I 'Whats going on ? "  I go outside to check and the bird bath is empty and they are sitting around waiting for me to fill it again   :D . 

Guraan ... ring-tailed possum came down a tree to the window last light, so she got some honey ... they love that , I used to have one that lived in a box in the wall. It moved into the wall cavity, so I made it bigger with a door to the outside and another to the inside of the cabin, so I could open it and give her a scratch and a snack, one time, I opened it and there was a tiny baby possom with her . 

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10 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

 

Although "our" cat has got trauma from when he was a kitten and gets anxious and stressed easily at any small noise so it makes me feel less guilty to have him here, we used to live with one that was a real warrior and took him to some of our friends home in the country side where we visited him, there he was free and could chase all he wanted, still I've turned the question over and ended up thinking that having a place where the strays could come whenever they wanted was better.

Oh we're so used to it of course they expect us not to tell, my father showed me a video of a modern alchemist and he was talking about this but I can't remember it properly, about fruits and vegetables loosing all their properties and the alchemist was talking about how the "spirit" or the alive matter in the consumable went out and, I need to find back that video.

:)    I used to work in that field !  I was, for a time,  Biodynamic preparation maker for Biodynamic Agriculture Australia 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture

 

( Still reading this  Mr Butler  ?   ;)  )

10 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

I wish we'd all grow our own food but it doesn't seem to be the case any time soon.

We have so many culinary shows and press coverages on local specialties so culturaly yes but... yea, I live in a middle-sized town I'd say, 1-2h from Paris, our cathedrale is pretty famous, it's asymetrical, some areas are cute and some are modernized.

Here is my area .... my  spot is up in the foothills in one of those valleys , by the river in the forest ,  about 1/2 hr drive to the Pacific Ocean 

 

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10 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

 

 We might talk about good food but most people just buy anything in gorcery stores because the organic food and the localy produced are pretty expensive, young people still get junk food all the time and 20-30 somethings girls buy all those organic cosmetics but in the end, it's more for the appearance, although our eating habits do seem to change slowly.

 

Yes ! I get the urge to not get the authorities involved, because it takes a real long time to get them to move, we had witnesses that saw him try to kidnap her but they still didn't move an inch, you really have got to be patient and calm.
 

That's it exactly haha being close in distance, I liked the Oh there's a goat over there so it's nice, that's exactly how it is.
Regarding relationships there's also something else, whenever you get with other people they always want to talk about how things go and if they have nothing to say they get frustrated and scared, I have a friend who always stresses out when she has nothing to tell me and I have to tell her that its bound to be like that and that it's not what the relationship really is about. I like to enjoy someone's presence just for what it is, I remember spending a night with the kinda abusive friend I had last year and I got all excited because it was the full moon so I hurried her to the balcony and we just sat there staring at it, although she got restless pretty quickly. I also really like just watching the clouds pass and I haven't found someone I could do it with yet. When I go see my father sometimes none of us speak and we just do whatever we want separatedly, so I'll be drawing and he'll be on the computer browsing whatever.

Excellent !  You, I like that and dont like the opposite.   I noticed it with Aboriginal friends ... they can sit for hours with out the need to chatter, a lot of communication  with them is non verbal. Sometimes we just sit  together and enjoy nature and being alive ... white fellah ... he always chattering , usually about rubbish . 

I would be happy when  a friend of mine visits ; she brings books and even sometimes a paint set and sketch block . We do our own thing, after a while I  we might stop, have a drink  a little chat and then go back to it  ... she can visit anytime .... other people, I go to the door and  "Yes, what do you want ? "   ... as they usually want something from me . 

10 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

I think of the frog when I think of not being caged, it breathes through its skin so you can't hold it in your hands, and it's got tiny lungs so it won't handle it long.
 

Alright ! :)
 

Oh I really want that ! I had another video game I really loved on my ds when I was a kid it was Harvest Moon, and you just had to take care of your crops and you lived in a small valley in the country side and since I didn't have many crops to take care of I could just chill in the valley like near the ponds or go to the inn, since then I've always dreamed of finding a place like it, I've wrote it down many times.

Hmmmm ... sounds like here ;

The valley 

Image result for bellingen valley

 

The ponds   ( clear rainforest water )

 

Image result for Gleniffer NSW

 

 

10 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Once again the power of thoughts.
 

So do I, just like my literature teacher from last year told me, I'm on rails right now but I'll be more free afterwards.

Hum, I'll ask my father for that (again) he used to practive aikido when he was younger and he still does some moves.

Ahhh ... like I said , your father sounds cool :) 

 

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12 hours ago, back to earth said:

Your father sounds like a cool guy :)  

I dont have connection to mains electricity, I have solar panel  and candles for lighting , music and recharging phone and lap top, gas for cooking, wood for heating and cooking in winter .   The big issue is a  refrigeration , gas fridge is v.expensive and unreliable , electric fridge is cheap and easy but uses a lot of electricity . 

But its great not to get an electricity bill or have to deal with a supplier .

He's always been a pretty spiritual person:) but he used to be more... hum... not violent but restless I guess? What really changed him was that 4 years ago, he got cancer and even though it's cured he still has got issues to fix since it was located in the face, so that did calm him a lot.

Seems like a great system, so you have a gas fridge or...?
 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

Maybe , in those strange trees  they have overseas   :)    I was surprised at this, saw a doco of some guys in the snow, sunset and they had not set their camp up yet , I thought ; they gonna die !  But they threw all these green pine branches into a hollow on top of the snow and lit them and started a roaring fire . I had not thought that possible ! 

Si I could excuse a Euro for that ... but not an Aussie ...  oh wait .... maybe the Aussies thought green wood would burn becasue they only leant about survival from Euro tv shows  ?   :D      ... that would not surprise me

Birch is pretty ! My father crafted me two amulets with a pentacle on them in If wood, you can sleep under pine branches too they make great protection from rain right ?
I love those tv shows actually, when I turn on the tv it's to put these on, otherwise I turn it off.
 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

I have some  ' feral pets ' some native animals that hang around and have got used to me , I can  go away and leave them and it doesnt matter. 

I put food and water out for them . Some times the birds make a lot of noise and I 'Whats going on ? "  I go outside to check and the bird bath is empty and they are sitting around waiting for me to fill it again   :D . 

Guraan ... ring-tailed possum came down a tree to the window last light, so she got some honey ... they love that , I used to have one that lived in a box in the wall. It moved into the wall cavity, so I made it bigger with a door to the outside and another to the inside of the cabin, so I could open it and give her a scratch and a snack, one time, I opened it and there was a tiny baby possom with her . 

Related image

So my father (somehow manages to make his way into everything I say) also did this back when he was living in the country side when he was a kid, he had this bird (and I can't remeber the species) that came visit him cause he gave food to him and then it went away and got back with his own business, but always came back later, he was so happy when he told me that. So ring-tailed possums like honey? Bees are endangered too and that really stresses me out, there used to be so many hanging around us when we went to eat outside in summer but now...

Makes me think of kitsunes and all the fox-owning folklore in Japan, I had a pdf file about this it must still be in my bookmarks... is it this one ? I think :

https://faculty.humanities.uci.edu/sbklein/GHOSTS/articles/CatalpaBow-WitchAnimals.pdf
 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

:)    I used to work in that field !  I was, for a time,  Biodynamic preparation maker for Biodynamic Agriculture Australia 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture

 

( Still reading this  Mr Butler  ?   ;)  )

Oh I didn't know this had a name, although I should have guessed, thanks ! 

And how many jobs did you manage to fit in one life ?
 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

Here is my area .... my  spot is up in the foothills in one of those valleys , by the river in the forest ,  about 1/2 hr drive to the Pacific Ocean 

 

Image result for bellingen Mylestom NSW

It's a nice place you got there ! I once spent some time in a valley in the south of France, we went skying there, the air was so pure compared to the city it was a real pleasure to step out every morning 

12 hours ago, back to earth said:

Excellent !  You, I like that and dont like the opposite.   I noticed it with Aboriginal friends ... they can sit for hours with out the need to chatter, a lot of communication  with them is non verbal. Sometimes we just sit  together and enjoy nature and being alive ... white fellah ... he always chattering , usually about rubbish . 

I would be happy when  a friend of mine visits ; she brings books and even sometimes a paint set and sketch block . We do our own thing, after a while I  we might stop, have a drink  a little chat and then go back to it  ... she can visit anytime .... other people, I go to the door and  "Yes, what do you want ? "   ... as they usually want something from me .

We're taught to be uncomfortable with silence, so even when you just want to sit with someone under a tree they'll start talking just to talk, non-verbal communication I think is necessary for an authentic bond and since not many people in modern society practice it I'm not surprised forming bonds is hard. I used to go to my window in summer at around 8pm and listen to people washing the dishes, and smell the plants beside me, it's really agreable to stop thinking and tune in all your other senses.

That's the kind of friendship that's really agreable :D
 

13 hours ago, back to earth said:

Hmmmm ... sounds like here ;

The valley 

Image result for bellingen valley

 

The ponds   ( clear rainforest water )

 

Image result for Gleniffer NSW


Close enough for the first picture not so much the second, although it was an old video game so it was really... pixelated, here : 

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You had a mansion with a young nice girl playing piano and an old barman and a really nice inn lady, I think it was as much the serenity of the place as the authenticity of the people there, it was an old video game but the media you enter in contact with very much shape who you're gonna become, people at school often say I'm weird because of the ideas I have but as a kid I had a video game that had you lost in the desert with a cultist and a guy from the mafia and you had to fight robots and aliens with water pistols and... This sort of stuff just makes a lasting impression on you, and now, I read bizarro fiction.

In France lately on tv there are a lot of competition shows, for everything, fashion, hairstylists, restaurants etc... They even did one with mothers ! So they had 4 mothers compete and each one was marked by the others on the way they raised their children, I happened to stumble upon it once, it was a long time ago but there was one mother that raised her children without the tv and used diplomacy and she was so natural and full of love the kids were adorable and smart, it was pleasing to see that, here every kid watches the Simpsons and then you wonder why they become the way they are, really we shouldn't be taking this as lightly as we do.

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12 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

He's always been a pretty spiritual person:) but he used to be more... hum... not violent but restless I guess? What really changed him was that 4 years ago, he got cancer and even though it's cured he still has got issues to fix since it was located in the face, so that did calm him a lot.

Seems like a great system, so you have a gas fridge or...?

Sort of, a gas powered  camping ' esky' thing . Its pretty small.  As a back up,  I use a foam box with frozen water bottles in it  , I freeze them at the barn which does have mains electricity , so I am still dependent on it to that extent . 

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Birch is pretty ! My father crafted me two amulets with a pentacle on them in If wood, you can sleep under pine branches too they make great protection from rain right ?
I love those tv shows actually, when I turn on the tv it's to put these on, otherwise I turn it off.
 

So my father (somehow manages to make his way into everything I say) also did this back when he was living in the country side when he was a kid, he had this bird (and I can't remeber the species) that came visit him cause he gave food to him and then it went away and got back with his own business, but always came back later, he was so happy when he told me that. So ring-tailed possums like honey? Bees are endangered too and that really stresses me out, there used to be so many hanging around us when we went to eat outside in summer but now...

Makes me think of kitsunes and all the fox-owning folklore in Japan, I had a pdf file about this it must still be in my bookmarks... is it this one ? I think :

https://faculty.humanities.uci.edu/sbklein/GHOSTS/articles/CatalpaBow-WitchAnimals.pdf
 

Oh I didn't know this had a name, although I should have guessed, thanks ! 

And how many jobs did you manage to fit in one life ?

Hmmm ... lets see , first one was in my school holidays in a furniture factory , then ;  sales assistant ,  bread and breakfast maker  ( I moved on to a commune at about 19 , my job was to help making 6 loaves of bread at night, and  breakfast in the morning for about 10 people and kids , then the rest of the time to myself , I lived in a tree house then :) ) ,  post office telegram boy on a motorbike , hospital orderly, landscaper, gardener, cook, cleaner,  Secretary on Board of Directors for company ( 3 times )  , part time school and sports teacher , martial arts instructor,   farm work ( driving tractors, mucking about with sheep, road works and drainage , etc ) ,  traditional design Japanese bamboo fence maker, tofu production,  worked as a 'grunt' in the Aussie film industry  for about 8 years , in some big feature films , BD preps maker / manager  .....    prob more , I cant remember .  ....

Then there were all the great things that were not 'jobs' as such .   Like ;   I was a drummer for a belly dancing troupe  for a while   :D  

Not having a career and a family to look after helped !     I just went and did what I wanted without  worrying about things too much .

For example, people would say to me , in the film industry;  " You seem smart and good worker, why dont you do something for yourself, you could rise through the ranks, and become 2IC or even run your own department , heck I would give yu a job, if you were a bit more motivated ."

Me; " Why would I want to do that ? "

" Why, to get somewhere of course ! "

" Why " 

"Well, so you can work and save and build up some decent  money ."

"Why  ? "

" Huh ?  Well, in my case, one day I will have saved and I am out of here , buy a nice piece of land , my own house, and finally relax and enjoy life ."

"  But I already got that ... I'm just here for some pocket money, no way I want the stress of running my own business, paying tax, hiring people, .... you know, I am not in one single dollar of debt .  I rather leave that to guys like you, and just do some work now and then and get a few $$$s  " 

HIm   ;    "     You  b****** !   I want that too !  "     :D  

I got an old car , it gets me where I need to go, I dont need a giant flat screen tv or all the rest, I live in a pop holiday destination, so I dont have to go away for holidays . 

Planning is important.  But so are the choices we make .

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It's a nice place you got there ! I once spent some time in a valley in the south of France, we went skying there, the air was so pure compared to the city it was a real pleasure to step out every morning 

We're taught to be uncomfortable with silence, so even when you just want to sit with someone under a tree they'll start talking just to talk, non-verbal communication I think is necessary for an authentic bond and since not many people in modern society practice it I'm not surprised forming bonds is hard. I used to go to my window in summer at around 8pm and listen to people washing the dishes, and smell the plants beside me, it's really agreable to stop thinking and tune in all your other senses.

That's the kind of friendship that's really agreable :D

I agree with your agreeable   :) 

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Close enough for the first picture not so much the second, although it was an old video game so it was really... pixelated, here : 

latest?cb=20140912191133   RubyTakakuraVestaFloraGriffinGustafaMuffyNamiLumina  (I had to I love them)

You had a mansion with a young nice girl playing piano and an old barman and a really nice inn lady, I think it was as much the serenity of the place as the authenticity of the people there, it was an old video game but the media you enter in contact with very much shape who you're gonna become, people at school often say I'm weird because of the ideas I have but as a kid I had a video game that had you lost in the desert with a cultist and a guy from the mafia and you had to fight robots and aliens with water pistols and... This sort of stuff just makes a lasting impression on you, and now, I read bizarro fiction.

Ha har !    I write bizzaro fiction !  ... and other types . 

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In France lately on tv there are a lot of competition shows, for everything, fashion, hairstylists, restaurants etc...

Think yourself lucky you not in Japan ! 

Image result for bizarre japanese game shows

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They even did one with mothers ! So they had 4 mothers compete and each one was marked by the others on the way they raised their children, I happened to stumble upon it once, it was a long time ago but there was one mother that raised her children without the tv and used diplomacy and she was so natural and full of love the kids were adorable and smart, it was pleasing to see that, here every kid watches the Simpsons and then you wonder why they become the way they are, really we shouldn't be taking this as lightly as we do.

I once had a students mother complain to me about the way her child was developing ; "I sent him to this alternative school so he would be different ! "

" Sorry, at 2:50 they out of my hands, they get on the bus and out come the violent video games ... I never bought those for your child .... did you ? " 

)some of them are sooo bad, If i described what the player was able to do on them, my post would be removed  as offensive. violent and racist  ..   yet  some let their kids play them nearly non-stop !  

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, back to earth said:

Sort of, a gas powered  camping ' esky' thing . Its pretty small.  As a back up,  I use a foam box with frozen water bottles in it  , I freeze them at the barn which does have mains electricity , so I am still dependent on it to that extent

Seems meticulous but worth it.
 

9 hours ago, back to earth said:

Hmmm ... lets see , first one was in my school holidays in a furniture factory , then ;  sales assistant ,  bread and breakfast maker  ( I moved on to a commune at about 19 , my job was to help making 6 loaves of bread at night, and  breakfast in the morning for about 10 people and kids , then the rest of the time to myself , I lived in a tree house then :) ) ,  post office telegram boy on a motorbike , hospital orderly, landscaper, gardener, cook, cleaner,  Secretary on Board of Directors for company ( 3 times )  , part time school and sports teacher , martial arts instructor,   farm work ( driving tractors, mucking about with sheep, road works and drainage , etc ) ,  traditional design Japanese bamboo fence maker, tofu production,  worked as a 'grunt' in the Aussie film industry  for about 8 years , in some big feature films , BD preps maker / manager  .....    prob more , I cant remember .  ....

What's surprising to me is how you managed to get hired, I couldn't possibly imagine that here in France at least? There are many jobs available so people get overqualified in their field to get hired and it's hard to find even a temporary job, but I guess when you stray a little from the city it could be easier, since people tend to look for jobs in the city.

And I get why they'd be envious, you need some guts to do that too, but I'll try, often dreamed of working in the back of a natural history museum a little, and help out at an inn.
 

9 hours ago, back to earth said:

Ha har !    I write bizzaro fiction !  ... and other types . 

Oh ! Cool :D Here no one knows about it and since most of it is in english I can't really share.
 

9 hours ago, back to earth said:

Think yourself lucky you not in Japan ! 

Image result for bizarre japanese game shows


I've got a thing for the japanese culture but that I could do without yes haha, 'been watching the Ghibli movies lately.
 

9 hours ago, back to earth said:

I once had a students mother complain to me about the way her child was developing ; "I sent him to this alternative school so he would be different ! "

" Sorry, at 2:50 they out of my hands, they get on the bus and out come the violent video games ... I never bought those for your child .... did you ? " 

)some of them are sooo bad, If i described what the player was able to do on them, my post would be removed  as offensive. violent and racist  ..   yet  some let their kids play them nearly non-stop !  

 

Hum, exactly, sure school plays in a childs development but he will react differently depending on what he was taught at home.

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So the frog eats the insects. But the frog is a symbol of transformation, as well as, the butterfly. I think that part of the original story is interesting. 

Whenever, I see an opossum dead, it means bad luck. I used to think the opossum brought bad luck, but then I realized it was actually warning me of something bad about to happen. 

Last year, I also began having a huge pull towards porcupines. I felt I needed protection. I often thought how nice it would be to have a yard full of porcupines. Not going to get many intruders with a bunch of porcupines around. 

Now, back to the opossums: if the opossum is alive, then good fortune comes. I seen an opossum in the middle of the highway. I tried to avoid him, but I felt him hit my car. I didn't know how to interpret that meaning - once alive, and then I killed it. When I went down the same road the next morning, the opossum was not there. Therefore, I took the message as good fortune. I'm not saying that the opossum survived or died, but the fact that he was never there for me to see dead, and the last I seen him, he was alive, therefore, good fortune. And good or bad fortune always happens within the next few days. 

 

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9 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Seems meticulous but worth it.
 

What's surprising to me is how you managed to get hired,

yes, but my work history goes waaaay back to another time and place  -  ancient Australia       :D  

When I first started I would look in the local newspaper, circle about 10 jobs, ring them up and pick the best sounding 3 or 4 and then go to the interviews  and select the best one ... a near total reversal of today's situation !    I would work for a few monts then quit and play till the money ran out and do that again . 

Also cars and motor cycles and petrol very cheap, hitch hiking was easy , a caravan on a beach was about $10 a night to stay in . 

Now ?  let's just say I feel a bit sorry , in that regard, for the young people nowadays .   It still can happen ; last year we hosted 6 Chinese University students for a holiday here for 2 weeks , they had a great time and so did I , I loved hanging out with them, driving them around, doing stuff, making meals for them .   It guess its even worse in the cities nowadays . 

9 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

 

I couldn't possibly imagine that here in France at least? There are many jobs available so people get overqualified in their field to get hired and it's hard to find even a temporary job, but I guess when you stray a little from the city it could be easier, since people tend to look for jobs in the city.

It can be harder here in the country , you have to be perceptive and innovative ;    a guy I know ( since he was a little baby ) , grew up here, left school and nothing ... for years .... unemployment , etc .   But he was smart .  Remember what I said about electricity here ( and many places are much more isolated with no connection to mains at all , and the need for gas and how gas fridges are unreliable , well, he put that all together - moved to the small local nearby 'city' and got an apprentice ship with as a gas plumber . 

6 years later, he has paid off and sold the apartment he bought there, moved back to this area, has a house and family and 2 kids and runs his own business  with more work than he can do and had to hire 2 helpers .

In the country you need to observe what jobs are needed and go for that .    Here is another one ; out here there is no municipal water supply , another guy I know maade it by learning how to install and repair water pumps . 

9 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

And I get why they'd be envious, you need some guts to do that too, but I'll try, often dreamed of working in the back of a natural history museum a little, and help out at an inn.

Some people like to get jobs ( like 'in an inn' ) that can help them work OS .   A  guy I knew in childhood got a job on a local small ferry, throwing the rope and tying it to the wharf  and helping people on and off . The farry guy started showing him stuff, he eventually got his Ferryman's Ticket ... then later did navigation  and harbor pilots course, he been travelling all over Europe America Canada  working . 

9 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Oh ! Cool :D Here no one knows about it and since most of it is in english I can't really share.

I've got a thing for the japanese culture but that I could do without yes haha, 'been watching the Ghibli movies lately.

Yes, I a little involved with via my martial arts traditions .   And other things I like about it - art and architecture . 

9 hours ago, Xurganmoth said:

Hum, exactly, sure school plays in a childs development but he will react differently depending on what he was taught at home.

Yup !

 

Here are some butterflies wings ... have you seen this before  ... pretty cool  ;

 

  Image result for butterflies with numbers on their wings

 

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18 hours ago, Athena1979 said:

So the frog eats the insects. But the frog is a symbol of transformation, as well as, the butterfly. I think that part of the original story is interesting. 

Whenever, I see an opossum dead, it means bad luck. I used to think the opossum brought bad luck, but then I realized it was actually warning me of something bad about to happen. 

Last year, I also began having a huge pull towards porcupines. I felt I needed protection. I often thought how nice it would be to have a yard full of porcupines. Not going to get many intruders with a bunch of porcupines around. 

Now, back to the opossums: if the opossum is alive, then good fortune comes. I seen an opossum in the middle of the highway. I tried to avoid him, but I felt him hit my car. I didn't know how to interpret that meaning - once alive, and then I killed it. When I went down the same road the next morning, the opossum was not there. Therefore, I took the message as good fortune. I'm not saying that the opossum survived or died, but the fact that he was never there for me to see dead, and the last I seen him, he was alive, therefore, good fortune. And good or bad fortune always happens within the next few days. 

 

I didn't know opossums had that symbolism but it's interesting, also the thing about feeling a huge pull towards porcupines, I've been feeling the same thing about bisons these days.
 

19 hours ago, back to earth said:

yes, but my work history goes waaaay back to another time and place  -  ancient Australia       :D  

When I first started I would look in the local newspaper, circle about 10 jobs, ring them up and pick the best sounding 3 or 4 and then go to the interviews  and select the best one ... a near total reversal of today's situation !    I would work for a few monts then quit and play till the money ran out and do that again . 

Also cars and motor cycles and petrol very cheap, hitch hiking was easy , a caravan on a beach was about $10 a night to stay in . 

Now ?  let's just say I feel a bit sorry , in that regard, for the young people nowadays .   It still can happen ; last year we hosted 6 Chinese University students for a holiday here for 2 weeks , they had a great time and so did I , I loved hanging out with them, driving them around, doing stuff, making meals for them .   It guess its even worse in the cities nowadays . 

Truly another world, things are changing fast, nowadays living in a caravan is really hard and you get evicted from every place you try to stay a little while on, I do like cities a bit, at least when I go out in mine on saturdays and roam in the old streets there are musicians and a big vegetable market, it's really agreable to pass next to the candy shops and smile at people who are enjoying the music :D
But I think as long as you follow your intuition and keep an healthy mindset it'll be alright, no matter what happens.
 

19 hours ago, back to earth said:

It can be harder here in the country , you have to be perceptive and innovative ;    a guy I know ( since he was a little baby ) , grew up here, left school and nothing ... for years .... unemployment , etc .   But he was smart .  Remember what I said about electricity here ( and many places are much more isolated with no connection to mains at all , and the need for gas and how gas fridges are unreliable , well, he put that all together - moved to the small local nearby 'city' and got an apprentice ship with as a gas plumber . 

6 years later, he has paid off and sold the apartment he bought there, moved back to this area, has a house and family and 2 kids and runs his own business  with more work than he can do and had to hire 2 helpers .

In the country you need to observe what jobs are needed and go for that .    Here is another one ; out here there is no municipal water supply , another guy I know maade it by learning how to install and repair water pumps . 

I see ! One thing that can be great is it seems that the crafts are gaining some popularity back, my brother wants to be a luthier and I've given some serious thoughts to tainted glass works. Although living in the country is hard there's a sense of freedom you'll never get in the city I guess, as long as I'm surounded by enough nature and authentic people, do something I find meaningful, I'm fine though.
 

19 hours ago, back to earth said:

Some people like to get jobs ( like 'in an inn' ) that can help them work OS .   A  guy I knew in childhood got a job on a local small ferry, throwing the rope and tying it to the wharf  and helping people on and off . The farry guy started showing him stuff, he eventually got his Ferryman's Ticket ... then later did navigation  and harbor pilots course, he been travelling all over Europe America Canada  working . 


Seems nice, especialy being so close to the sea :) 
 

19 hours ago, back to earth said:

Yes, I a little involved with via my martial arts traditions .   And other things I like about it - art and architecture .

Hum, I feel close to their philosophy, and fascinated by their imagination (even if it gives birth to these tv shows too), they have these beautiful funerary statues, and Kintsugi ? Also it is true that their soft approach to art, I can relate to it and sometimes it feels just like when I watch the clouds or the sea.

19 hours ago, back to earth said:

 

Here are some butterflies wings ... have you seen this before  ... pretty cool  ;

 

  Image result for butterflies with numbers on their wings

Wow, no I hadn't, what do you make of that? I just knew of a butterfly that was called the comma in english because it has a small comma on its wings, and in french it's called Robert le Diable (Robert was the choosen name in the book we studied of a character used to represent the devil so that's why I remember).

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