Still Waters Posted February 25, 2017 #1 Share Posted February 25, 2017 A blind man was tasered by police after his folding cane was mistaken for a gun. Police were called to reports of a man with a firearm in Levenshulme, Manchester, at around 6.40pm on Thursday. Officers went to the scene and tasered a 43-year-old man, only to discover he was carrying a folding cane. http://news.sky.com/story/blind-man-tasered-as-police-mistake-cane-for-gun-10780326 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted February 25, 2017 #2 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) "The man was uninjured during the incident...", said The Police. Getting hit with 50,000 volts is not "injured"? Edited February 25, 2017 by Eldorado 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted February 25, 2017 #3 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Being disabled, myself, I kind of worry about getting stopped by the cops and them not understanding I can't walk a straight line on a good day. There was an old guy here in the States that was shot to death by cops, because he got out of the car with his cane and it was mistaken for a gun. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Falukorv Posted February 25, 2017 #4 Share Posted February 25, 2017 This reminds me of one of my friends He has tourette syndrome and I dont know how many times the police have taken him in to the police station, Testing him for drugs and alcohol. He stopped coming with us to town on the weekends when we where out drinking in pubs. Because the doormen never let him in anyway saying he was to drunk or on drugs. Its kind of sad because he is 40 years old, no kids, smart, funny, nice job and good looking but have been single for the last 15 years. Just because his tourette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 25, 2017 #5 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Eldorado said: "The man was uninjured during the incident...", said The Police. Getting hit with 50,000 volts is not "injured"? Apparently it is not, if the US alternative would have been being shot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 #6 Share Posted March 6, 2017 On 25/02/2017 at 3:00 PM, Parsec said: Apparently it is not, if the US alternative would have been being shot. And here it is:http://www.********.com/murder/lapd-cop-shoot-kill-man-carry-pipe-downtown-los-angeles/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted March 6, 2017 #7 Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 hours ago, alibongo said: And here it is:http://www.********.com/murder/lapd-cop-shoot-kill-man-carry-pipe-downtown-los-angeles/ That looked very much like murder in broad daylight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 #8 Share Posted March 6, 2017 On 25/02/2017 at 2:17 PM, Herr Falukorv said: This reminds me of one of my friends He has tourette syndrome and I dont know how many times the police have taken him in to the police station, Testing him for drugs and alcohol. He stopped coming with us to town on the weekends when we where out drinking in pubs. Because the doormen never let him in anyway saying he was to drunk or on drugs. Its kind of sad because he is 40 years old, no kids, smart, funny, nice job and good looking but have been single for the last 15 years. Just because his tourette And this reminds me of the time I parked in a disabled space at the supermarket. A security guard walked over and said 'You don't seem disabled to me'. I said 'I've got Tourette's, so **** off you fat ****'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 #9 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Just now, Eldorado said: That looked very much like murder in broad daylight. I thought it was murder too, and I think the couple filming it thought so as well.Certainly the man believed the victim was in no danger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted March 6, 2017 #10 Share Posted March 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, Eldorado said: That looked very much like murder in broad daylight. Can't you find a more responsible site to link to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted March 6, 2017 #11 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Just now, Frank Merton said: Can't you find a more responsible site to link to? It wasn't me who linked it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohbear Posted March 6, 2017 #12 Share Posted March 6, 2017 'Greater Manchester Police has since confirmed the man was blind'. I take it that refers to the cop! Maybe they can give him a desk job....assembling them for Ikea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 #13 Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Frank Merton said: Can't you find a more responsible site to link to? It was me Frank.TBH,I didn't realise what else was there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 #14 Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, poohbear said: 'Greater Manchester Police has since confirmed the man was blind'. I take it that refers to the cop! Maybe they can give him a desk job....assembling them for Ikea. When I worked in an ED,a visually impaired man was brought in after being Tasered, the police said they thought his folding cane was a nunchuck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 6, 2017 #15 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Thank god that was in the UK and not here in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted March 6, 2017 #16 Share Posted March 6, 2017 8 hours ago, alibongo said: When I worked in an ED,a visually impaired man was brought in after being Tasered, the police said they thought his folding cane was a nunchuck! They probably though they hit the jackpot tasering Daredevil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted March 6, 2017 #17 Share Posted March 6, 2017 11 hours ago, alibongo said: And here it is:http://www.********.com/murder/lapd-cop-shoot-kill-man-carry-pipe-downtown-los-angeles/ Are we sure it's legit? It looks too crazy to be true. Was the man shot dead or wounded and then died? I see they even handcuff him, so I guess you don't do that to a dead man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted March 6, 2017 #18 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Anyway, I will never understand why do they shoot to kill. They are trained shooters, aren't they able to shoot to a leg or an arm? Incapacitated is one thing, dead another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 6, 2017 #19 Share Posted March 6, 2017 On 2/25/2017 at 9:27 AM, Grandpa Greenman said: Being disabled, myself, I kind of worry about getting stopped by the cops and them not understanding I can't walk a straight line on a good day. There was an old guy here in the States that was shot to death by cops, because he got out of the car with his cane and it was mistaken for a gun. I have very much the same concern for myself. Its a sad state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 #20 Share Posted March 6, 2017 8 hours ago, Farmer77 said: Thank god that was in the UK and not here in the US. I don't understand? You would not like the US police to Taser rather than kill? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 #21 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Parsec said: Anyway, I will never understand why do they shoot to kill. They are trained shooters, aren't they able to shoot to a leg or an arm? Incapacitated is one thing, dead another. Armed response always have to shoot to kill. A wounded man may still shoot back, also a torso is an better target than a limb- pistols are very inaccurate. If you aren't shooting to kill, why shoot at all- you could use a Taser. Edited March 6, 2017 by alibongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 6, 2017 #22 Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, alibongo said: I don't understand? You would not like the US police to Taser rather than kill? Haha no I meant thank god for the unfortunate soul who got tazed. Here he woulda been gunned down, witnesses arrested for videotaping and then the police would "investigate" themselves and declare they did no wrong! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted March 6, 2017 #23 Share Posted March 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, alibongo said: Armed response always have to shoot to kill. A wounded man may still shoot back, also a torso is an better target than a limb- pistols are very inaccurate. If you aren't shooting to kill, why shoot at all- you could use a Taser. Shouldn't armed response neutralise the threat? This doesn't automatically imply killing the person. Especially if you only suspect the person is armend and/or dangerous. Sure, a wounded person could still shoot if hit to a leg and is very determined to use his/her weapon, but the average person would lie down Incapacitated by the pain and the shock. Yet again, who is usually shot down by police is an average person, not a super trained/determined killer. And, especially recently, it appears even unarmed. So, "when in doubt, kill"? But alas, that's probably my point of view as a person who doesn't live in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 #24 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Parsec said: Shouldn't armed response neutralise the threat? This doesn't automatically imply killing the person. Especially if you only suspect the person is armend and/or dangerous. Sure, a wounded person could still shoot if hit to a leg and is very determined to use his/her weapon, but the average person would lie down Incapacitated by the pain and the shock. Yet again, who is usually shot down by police is an average person, not a super trained/determined killer. And, especially recently, it appears even unarmed. So, "when in doubt, kill"? But alas, that's probably my point of view as a person who doesn't live in the US. Armed police cannot only suspect a suspect is armed and shoot him in a gentle way to correspond to this. If they believe he is armed, and won't surrender his weapon, they have to assume he is a threat to life. I am not an apologist for the police, but I accept approaching an armed criminal is very dangerous (what if he shot and paralysed a police officer, or killed one,or gave one brain damage, because he was not shot dead when they had the chance?). Edited March 6, 2017 by alibongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted March 7, 2017 #25 Share Posted March 7, 2017 22 hours ago, alibongo said: Armed police cannot only suspect a suspect is armed and shoot him in a gentle way to correspond to this. If they believe he is armed, and won't surrender his weapon, they have to assume he is a threat to life. I am not an apologist for the police, but I accept approaching an armed criminal is very dangerous (what if he shot and paralysed a police officer, or killed one,or gave one brain damage, because he was not shot dead when they had the chance?). Fair enough, never said it's an easy topic and even less an easy job. But what if you shoot dead a person that is not armed, because you suspect he's armed and of course can't surrender his weapon because he has none? And let's be clear: we are not talking about people with weapons in their hands and/or using weapons, but about people who could have weapons with them. And you still shoot them. It's a matter of risk assessment: would you rather risk to kill an innocent person because he could potentially carry a weapon, or risk that the person actually has a weapon and could potentially draw it and shoot someone? For me if you are sure that a folding cane is a gun, you have some issues discerning reality and due to the nature of that job, you are not fit for fieldwork. By the way, there's no "shooting in a gentle way". There's maiming or killing, but I would find it difficult to define the first "gentle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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